Islam says: "No compulsion in religion"

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Islam says: "No compulsion in religion"
OP - November 07, 2012, 07:28 PM

Islam says:

"There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing."

Quran, Chapter 2, Verse #256

From this, it is quite clear that Islam does not allow any Muslim to force non-Muslims to convert to Islam. Here is a commentary on the verse:

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"It is one of the verses that show that Islam is not based on the sword and killing, and that it does not allow Muslims to compel or coerce others to accept Islam. It is contrary to the view held by many Muslims and non-Muslims alike that Islam is the religion of the sword. They bring as their evidence the legislation of jihad which is one of the pillars of Islam.

We have already clarified, while writing the commentary on the verses of fighting, that the fighting ordained by Islam is not for the purpose of material advancement nor for spreading the religion by force. It was ordained only for reviving the truth and defending the most precious treasure of nature - the faith of monotheism. Where monotheism is accepted by the people - even if they remain Jew or Christian - Islam does not fight with them. Therefore, the objection arises from clouded thinking.

The verse: "There is no compulsion in the religion", is NOT abrogated by the verse of the sword, although some writers think so. The order is followed by its reason: "truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error." Such an order cannot be cancelled unless and until its reason is also abrogated. So long as the reason is valid the rule must remain valid. There is no need to emphasize that the verse of the sword cannot negate the clear distinction of the right way from error. For example, the verses: ...and kill them wherever you find them... (4:89) and: And fight in the way of Allah... (2:190), have no effect whatsoever on the clear distinction of truth from falsehood; and therefore they cannot abrogate an order based on that distinction. In other words, this order is based on the fact that the right way is made clearly distinct from error. And this distinction is as valid after the revelation of the verses of fighting as it was before that. And as the cause is not changed, the effect, that is, the said order, cannot be changed or cancelled.”

(Al Mizan Fi Tafseer Al Quran, Volume 2, page # 329-330)
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Re: Islam says: "No compulsion in religion"
Reply #1 - November 07, 2012, 07:38 PM

Teach us more about this mysterious religion, ShiaMuslim.

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Reply #2 - November 07, 2012, 07:47 PM

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Where monotheism is accepted

Why? Humans have had many gods for at least tens of thousands of years before they invented this new fangled idea of one god? What is that term for innovation? Monotheism is clearly a new idea! And this Allah! A 1400 year old god? Well really! Young whippersnapper not yet potty trained!

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Reply #3 - November 07, 2012, 07:50 PM

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It was ordained only for reviving the truth and defending the most precious treasure of nature - the faith of monotheism.

Strange that truth requires violence to revive it......

Not a very powerful god this one, just a grumpy angry one! Probably because as gods go he is a teenager. Bloody hormones.

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Reply #4 - November 07, 2012, 09:36 PM

So why did Muhammad and his followers supposedly send letters to and invade the local regions?

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Reply #5 - November 08, 2012, 01:41 AM

Quote from: ShiaMuslim on November 07, 2012, 07:28 PM
Islam says:

Hello ShiaMuslim you are doing good.. you are doing great please continue to read & write Tafsir to educate the folks.. But "Islam says" is wrong wording.. we should say "Quran says" ., Islam says lotsof things and does/did lots of stuff..

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"There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing."
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Quran, Chapter 2, Verse #256

"It is one of the verses that show that Islam is not based on the sword and killing, and that it does not allow Muslims to compel or coerce others to accept Islam. It is contrary to the view held by many Muslims and non-Muslims alike that Islam is the religion of the sword. They bring as their evidence the legislation of jihad which is one of the pillars of Islam.

We have already clarified, while writing the commentary on the verses of fighting, that the fighting ordained by Islam is not for the purpose of material advancement nor for spreading the religion by force. It was ordained only for reviving the truth and defending the most precious treasure of nature - the faith of monotheism. Where monotheism is accepted by the people - even if they remain Jew or Christian - Islam does not fight with them. Therefore, the objection arises from clouded thinking.

The verse: "There is no compulsion in the religion", is NOT abrogated by the verse of the sword, although some writers think so. The order is followed by its reason: "truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error." Such an order cannot be cancelled unless and until its reason is also abrogated. So long as the reason is valid the rule must remain valid. There is no need to emphasize that the verse of the sword cannot negate the clear distinction of the right way from error. For example, the verses: ...and kill them wherever you find them... (4:89) and: And fight in the way of Allah... (2:190), have no effect whatsoever on the clear distinction of truth from falsehood; and therefore they cannot abrogate an order based on that distinction. In other words, this order is based on the fact that the right way is made clearly distinct from error. And this distinction is as valid after the revelation of the verses of fighting as it was before that. And as the cause is not changed, the effect, that is, the said order, cannot be changed or cancelled.”

(Al Mizan Fi Tafseer Al Quran, Volume 2, page # 329-330)

From this, it is quite clear that Islam does not allow any Muslim to force non-Muslims to convert to Islam. Here is a commentary on the verse:

true .. yes it is all clear., True that Verse indeed says that .. Well let us put the link for that Tafsie of Al-Mizan .. It is useful to have that here http://www.shiasource.com/al-mizan/..

That is better.. So what else Quran says ShiaMuslim?? And I wonder is there any other religion that says "This religion is compulsory for you , If you don't follow I will cut your throat.. send you to hell fire for ever"

Anyways I am glad you picked the right verse..

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Reply #6 - November 08, 2012, 04:24 AM

This verse does nothing to protect ex-Muslims like I previously thought it might. It only refers to those who remain Muslim - that they don't have to be forced to do any particular thing within the religion, such as marry a certain person or wear hijab.

But for us who are born into it, somehow they think it's okay for us to get fucked.

It blows my mind how much this doesn't make any sense and is completely out of line and disgusting. It's a complete bias for non-Muslims who were always non-Muslims, versus "born" Muslims who later become non-Muslims.
I always think I wish I had half the luxury of the unfortunate converts to Islam - they even get to keep their family!

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Reply #7 - November 08, 2012, 04:25 AM

Go home, ShiaMuslim. You're drunk.

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Re: Islam says: "No compulsion in religion"
Reply #8 - November 08, 2012, 04:38 AM

Lol, Ishina
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Re: Islam says: "No compulsion in religion"
Reply #9 - November 08, 2012, 01:28 PM

SO WHAT ??

Oh yeah I forgot, could u please explain me the logic of how isn't there any compulsion in religion when just below that verse in the same Chapter there are verses talking about how people who don't accept islam will roast in hell for eternity.

How is something a free choice when I tell u that u will either chose what I say or I will stab u in the heart if u don't chose what I told u to chose.

I mean if the choice is free then what the hell is all the fuss about???
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Reply #10 - November 08, 2012, 01:48 PM

Quote from: Solara on November 08, 2012, 04:25 AM
Go home, ShiaMuslim. You're drunk.

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Re: Islam says: "No compulsion in religion"
Reply #11 - November 12, 2012, 07:54 AM

Quote from: sturmgewehr on November 08, 2012, 01:28 PM
I mean if the choice is free then what the hell is all the fuss about???

I see what you did there.

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Reply #12 - November 12, 2012, 06:55 PM

Quote from: Peppermint Tits on November 08, 2012, 04:24 AM
This verse does nothing to protect ex-Muslims like I previously thought it might. It only refers to those who remain Muslim - that they don't have to be forced to do any particular thing within the religion, such as marry a certain person or wear hijab.

But for us who are born into it, somehow they think it's okay for us to get fucked.

It blows my mind how much this doesn't make any sense and is completely out of line and disgusting. It's a complete bias for non-Muslims who were always non-Muslims, versus "born" Muslims who later become non-Muslims.
I always think I wish I had half the luxury of the unfortunate converts to Islam - they even get to keep their family!

You should've read the exegesis of the verse that I showed in my original post, then you wouldn't have bothered to make such a baseless claim.
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Reply #13 - November 12, 2012, 07:15 PM

Quote from: ShiaMuslim on November 12, 2012, 06:55 PM

You should've read the exegesis of the verse that I showed in my original post, then you wouldn't have bothered to make such a baseless claim.

Forget exegesis of a verse or whole surah in Quran Shia Muslim., First question to Ask is.,

Are these statements in Quran we read are REALLY FROM from Allah/God?? That is the question we need to answer first ., after that then we can go on fishing for exegesis.. reinterpretation, re-translation and we can run in circles and regurgitate until cows come home..

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Reply #14 - November 13, 2012, 12:24 AM

So what band of Shiaism do you follow, the Safavid type?
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Reply #15 - November 13, 2012, 08:19 AM

Quote from: ShiaMuslim on November 12, 2012, 06:55 PM

You should've read the exegesis of the verse that I showed in my original post, then you wouldn't have bothered to make such a baseless claim.

Why did Mohammad find it necessary to smash the idols in the Kabaa, and why did Abu Bakr find it necessary to violently suppress the followers of "false prophets" after the death of Muhammad. Surely if Islam is a religion without compulsion, then the people worshiped these idols and followed these prophets should have been freely allowed to practice their faith?

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Reply #16 - November 13, 2012, 10:12 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKGtcVoBhBQ

hmm .. that is a god one to watch...

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Why did Mohammad find it necessary to smash the idols in the Kabaa, and why did Abu Bakr find it necessary to violently suppress the followers of "false prophets" after the death of Muhammad. Surely if Islam is a religion without compulsion, then the people worshiped these idols and followed these prophets should have been freely allowed to practice their faith?

This story of idols in the Kabaa, Mecca, or Becaa of Qur'an and Muhammad of Quran is different from what present Islamic historians made Muslims to believe from stories over stories that come from hadith.

Quranic Muhammad is NOT REAL MUHAMMAD that we read from Muslim historians, Quran hardly mentions "Muhammad"

Quran doesn't even mention a place called Mecca or Kabaa

Whole Book Quran is created for only one purpose and that is to tell people of Arabian peninsula " Christ is not god or son of god".... and most probably Quran was first written by a Jewish guy... and it is modified re-modified by Arab Caliphs all the way in to 8th or even in 9th century to suit their wars.....loot and booty .

Early Islam that is first 10 years of Islam and its Quran is nothing to do with warmongering verses of Quran that were added at a later stage..

If we read history of Qarmatians in Islam it becomes more and more clear. That present Islam is entirely different from the Islam of Quran that we see in Islam of Meccan Surahs which were allegedly revealed to an imaginary character "Muhammad" before he travels to Madina..

well Islam is nothing but.. stories over stories over stories..

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Reply #17 - November 14, 2012, 09:30 PM

No compulsion?
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47.4. Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers, smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly on them: thereafter either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah.s Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost..

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33.5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

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9.29. Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

You were saying?
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Reply #18 - November 15, 2012, 09:56 AM

Quote from: asbie on November 13, 2012, 08:19 AM
Why did Mohammad find it necessary to smash the idols in the Kabaa, and why did Abu Bakr find it necessary to violently suppress the followers of "false prophets" after the death of Muhammad. Surely if Islam is a religion without compulsion, then the people worshiped these idols and followed these prophets should have been freely allowed to practice their faith?

if there is no compulsion in religion then there should be no religions at all, if religion is noncumpolsary then why is prayer cumolsary or stuff like that ?

If something in noncumpolsary it means it shouldn't have any serious consequences at all and we know that not following Islam has Serious consequences thus it is cumpolsary, it is even more cumpolsary than anything u can think of as a muslim because it has the most serious consequences there could be.
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