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  • Look at these very beautiful words of Prophet Muhammed (s)
     OP - November 16, 2012, 02:43 AM

    Some very nice words of Prophet Muhammed (S):

    Quote
    لا فضل لعربي على عجمي و لا لعجمي على عربي و لا لأحمر على أسود و لا لأسود على أحمر إلا بالتقوى

    This means:

    An Arab is not superior to a Non-Arab, and an non-Arab is not superior to an Arab, and a red person is not superior to a black person, and a black person is not superior to a red person, except in piery"

    Source:

     غاية المرام
    Ghuyat Al-Miram page 313

    Sheikh Al-Albani says it is authentic


    Here is another beautiful one:

    Quote

    فالناس اليوم كلهم أبيضهم وأسودهم وقرشيهم وعربيهم وعجميهم من آدم وإن آدم خلقه
    الله من طين


    Translation:

    ...."Today, all people, the white, the black, the Quraishi, the Arab, and the non-Arab, are all from Adam, and Adam was created from clay"....

    Source:

    Title: Kitab Al-Kafi Volume #5 Page #345

    Note: It doesn't matter if you don't believe in Adam, the point that Prophet Muhammed (s) was making, was that everyone, no matter how different in race/appearance, are all the same.



    Some very nice words, don't you think?
  • Re: Look at these very beautiful words of Prophet Muhammed (s)
     Reply #1 - November 16, 2012, 02:53 AM

    No.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Look at these very beautiful words of Prophet Muhammed (s)
     Reply #2 - November 16, 2012, 02:59 AM

    No amount of good words proves his prophecy.

    THE SADDEST FACT ABOUT ISLAM IS THAT IT IS NOT TRUE!
  • Re: Look at these very beautiful words of Prophet Muhammed (s)
     Reply #3 - November 16, 2012, 03:08 AM

    I prefer these beautiful words.

    Sahih Bukhari 9:89:256 "You should listen to and obey, your ruler even if he was an Ethiopian (black) slave whose head looks like a raisin."
  • Re: Look at these very beautiful words of Prophet Muhammed (s)
     Reply #4 - November 16, 2012, 06:27 AM

    Good words

    Here are some good words from a godless black homosexual

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jvj0rT7ZKi4

    There are also good words from a womanizer, but obviously not a prophet

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smEqnnklfYs




    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Look at these very beautiful words of Prophet Muhammed (s)
     Reply #5 - November 16, 2012, 07:57 AM

    Good words from an actor:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLci5DoZqHU

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: Look at these very beautiful words of Prophet Muhammed (s)
     Reply #6 - November 16, 2012, 08:09 AM

    Alexander the Great and St Paul said similar.  Are they not Allah's words, not Mo's?  Plagiarism?

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Look at these very beautiful words of Prophet Muhammed (s)
     Reply #7 - November 16, 2012, 08:16 AM



    that is a good one... well we can put the quotes directly from Hitler.. not from an actor...some good and some nasty...

    Quote
    As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.............Adolf Hitler

    I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.................Adolf Hitler

    It is always more difficult to fight against faith than against knowledge..............Adolf Hitler

    Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way round, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise.
    .................Adolf Hitler
     

     

    Who says I am not under the special protection of God?.................Adolf Hitler
     
    I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.......Adolf Hitler
     
    Demoralize the enemy from within by surprise, terror, sabotage, assassination. This is the war of the future...............Adolf Hitler

    Humanitarianism is the expression of stupidity and cowardice.................Adolf Hitler

    The great strength of the totalitarian state is that it forces those who fear it to imitate it................Adolf Hitler


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Look at these very beautiful words of Prophet Muhammed (s)
     Reply #8 - November 16, 2012, 08:21 AM

    Alexander the Great and St Paul said similar.  Are they not Allah's words, not Mo's?  Plagiarism?


     Cheesy  Cheesy

     well  when everything belongs to allah,  everything is created by allah,   and allah dictator has total control of universe ., then logic takes us and tells us.,  Forget the voices and words of  Mo, forget Alexander the Great and forget  St Paul's words,   .. "EVEN SOUNDS OF DOGS ARE ALSO FROM ALLAH ".. after all they are created by allah.. they belong to allah..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Look at these very beautiful words of Prophet Muhammed (s)
     Reply #9 - November 16, 2012, 03:05 PM

    this prophet had better words..


    and more eloquently written than the entire quran if you ask me...
  • Re: Look at these very beautiful words of Prophet Muhammed (s)
     Reply #10 - November 16, 2012, 03:31 PM

    this prophet had better words..
    (Clicky for piccy!)

    and more eloquently written than the entire quran if you ask me...

    until 10 years back I used to think he was a great guy from Islamic background .. but   a friend pored cold water on me by saying that he was Lebanese Christan guy .   nessrriinn   I wish you could  pick up some nuggets from   THAT BOOK and put your voice on internet


    ..Starting with the word "prophet"....  Words of Kahlil Gibran, in the middle ..and ending with the word "Prophet" ..., The link above has full PDF file of that book


    "I am not a politician, nor do I wish to become one" and "Spare me the political events and power struggles, as the whole earth is my homeland and all men are my fellow countrymen".." Kahlil Gibran..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Look at these very beautiful words of Prophet Muhammed (s)
     Reply #11 - November 16, 2012, 04:36 PM

    Alexander the Great and St Paul said similar.  Are they not Allah's words, not Mo's?  Plagiarism?


    Where does Alexander or paul say this?
  • Re: Look at these very beautiful words of Prophet Muhammed (s)
     Reply #12 - November 16, 2012, 06:42 PM

    Quote
    Quote from: moi says this  link=topic=22423.msg645678#msg645678 date=1353053391
    Alexander the Great and St Paul said similar.  Are they not Allah's words, not Mo's?  Plagiarism?

    Where does Alexander or paul say this?


    How are you doing Shia Muslim? You do have point in your question.. but there are problems in it..

    the first problem is those words you wrote in your OP as the words of Prophet of Islam
    Quote
    An Arab is not superior to a Non-Arab, and an non-Arab is not superior to an Arab, and a red person is not superior to a black person, and a black person is not superior to a red person, except in piery"


    "Today, all people, the white, the black, the Quraishi, the Arab, and the non-Arab, are all from Adam, and Adam was created from clay"....

    are indeed good words but you yourself mention they are from

    1). Ghuyat Al-Miram page 313  Sheikh Al-Albani says it is authentic .,

    2). Title: Kitab Al-Kafi Volume #5 Page #345

    Now you should also when those books were published and if they are truly from prophet of Islam, In what context did he say those words?? without such proper inquiry, it is like I say, he said, she said business.  

    that  Kitab Al-Kafi that are collected/collated by Muhammad ibn Ya'qub al-Kulayni  is literally 350 years after the death of alleged Prophet of Islam.. and the other one Ghuyat Al-Miram is worse.. it is sometime around  12th century..

    So with that time scale in mind how do we believe those words came out of Prophet of Islam?  

    off course i do agree and understand Quran +hadith words do give impression INDIRECTLY ..All men are equal irrespective of their color creed.. but there are no direct words as you mentioned.  But what we have is this "LAST SERMON.,   Prophet Muhammad allegedly uttered those "noble" words in his "Farewell Sermon" during his last Hajj pilgrimage in Mecca in 632 CE.
    here is the  alleged Prophet’s entire Farewell Sermon in his original Sira by Ibn Ishaq and others. Ibn Ishaq quotes the Farewell Sermon as follows (p. 651-652):

    Quote
    O men, listen to my words. I do not know whether I shall ever meet you in this place again after this year. Your blood and your property are sacrosanct until you meet your Lord, as this day and this month are holy. You will surely meet your Lord and He will ask you of your works. I have told you. He who has a pledge let him return it to him who entrusted him with it; all usury is abolished, but you have your capital. Wrong not and you shall not be wronged. God has decreed that there is to be no usury and the usury of 'Abbas b. 'Abdu'l-Muttalib is abolished, all of it. All blood shed in the pagan period is to be left unavenged. The first claim on blood I abolish is that of b. Rabi'a b. al-Harith b. 'Abdu'l-Muttalib (who was fostered among the B. Layth and whom Hudhayl killed). It is the first blood shed in the pagan period which I deal with. Satan despairs of ever being worshipped in your land, but if he can be obeyed in anything short of worship he will be pleased in matters you may be disposed to think of little account, so beware of him in your religion. "Postponement of a sacred month is only an excess of disbelief whereby those who disbelieve are misled; they allow it one year and forbid it another year that they may make up the number of the months which God has hallowed, so that they permit what God has forbidden, and forbid what God has allowed.” Time has completed its cycle and is as it was on the day that God created the heavens and the earth. The number of months with God is twelve; four of them are sacred, three consecutive and the Rajab of Mudar, which is between Jumada and Sha'ban.

    You have rights over your wives and they have rights over you. You have the right that they should not defile your bed and that they should not behave with open unseemliness. If they do, God allows you to put them in separate rooms and to beat them but not with severity. If they refrain from these things they have the right to their food and clothing with kindness. Lay injunctions on women kindly, for they are prisoners with you having no control- of their persons. You have taken them only as a trust from God, and you have the enjoyment of their persons by the words of God, so understand (T. and listen to) my words, O men, for I have told you. I have left with you something which if you will hold fast to it you will never fall into error—a plain indication, the book of God and the practice of His prophet, so give good heed to what I say.

    Know that every Muslim is a Muslim's brother, and that the Muslims are brethren. It is only lawful to take from a brother what he gives you willingly, so wrong not yourselves. O God, have I not told you
    ?


    Also we have another version from Al-Tabari,  well known Islamic scholar and early  Islamic historian – also quote the Farewell Sermon  that is essentially same (History of Al-Tabari, Vol. 9, p. 112-113):

    Quote
    O people, listen to my words. I do not know whether I shall ever meet you again in this place after this year. O people, your blood and your property are sacrosanct until you meet your Lord, just as this day and this month of yours are sacred. Surely you will meet your Lord and He will question you about your deeds. I have [already] made this known. Let he who has a pledge return it to the one who entrusted him with it; all usury is abolished, but your capital belongs to you. Wrong not and you shall not be wronged. Allah has decreed that there will be no usury, and the usury of Abbas b. Abd al-Muttalib is abolished, all of it. All blood shed in the pre-Islamic days is to be left unavenged. The first such claim I revoke is that of Ibn Rabiah b. al-Harith b. Abd al-Muttalib, who was nursed among the Banu Layth and was slain by the Banu Hudhayl. His is the first blood shed in the pre-Islamic days with which I shall set an example. O people, indeed Satan despairs of ever being worshipped in this land of yours. He will be pleased, however, if he is obeyed in a thing other than that, in matters you minimize. So beware of him in your religion, O people, intercalculating a month is an increase in unbelief whereby the unbelievers go astray; one year they make it profane, and hallow it another [in order] to agree with the number that Allah has hallowed, and so profane what Allah has hallowed, and hallow what Allah has made profane. Time has completed its cycle [and is] as it was on the day that Allah created the heavens and the earth. The number of the months with Allah is twelve; [they were] in the Book of Allah on the day He created the heavens and the earth. Four of them are sacred, the three consecutive [months] and the Rajab [which is the month of] Mudar, which is between Jumada and Sha’ban.

    Now then, O people, you have a right over your wives and they have a right over you. You have [the right] that they should not cause anyone of whom you dislike to tread on your beds; and that they should not commit any open indecency. If they do, then Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain from [evil], they have the right to their food and clothing in accordance with the custom. Treat women well, for they are [like] domestic animals with you and do not possess anything for themselves. You have taken them only as a trust from Allah, and you have made the enjoyment of their persons lawful by the word of Allah, so understand and listen to my words, O people. I have conveyed the Message, and have left you with something which, if you hold fast to it, you will never go astray; that is, the Book of Allah and the sunnah of his Prophet. Listen to my words, O people, for I have conveyed the Message and understand [it]. Know for certain that every Muslim is a brother of another Muslim, and that all Muslims are brethren. It is not lawful for a person [to take] from his brother except that which he has given him willingly, so do not wrong yourselves. O Allah, have I not conveyed the message?


    Now the question comes Why those words are not there in Quran which is primary source of all laws in Islam?? although I can not find those "Equality  words" in Al-Tabari,  or Ibn Ishaq why do we find these things in Shia hadith boos that written way after prophet's death?

    Think about it Shia Muslim .... I still didn't answer your question but i will in the next post..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Look at these very beautiful words of Prophet Muhammed (s)
     Reply #13 - November 16, 2012, 07:08 PM

    So going back to Shia Muslim's question
    Quote
    Where does Alexander or paul say this?..

    An Arab is not superior to a Non-Arab, and an non-Arab is not superior to an Arab, and a red person is not superior to a black person,and a black person is not superior to a red person, except in piery"

    "Today, all people, the white, the black, the Quraishi, the Arab, and the non-Arab, are all from Adam, and Adam was created from clay"....


    First of all that is NONSENSE "This RED PERSON" was never there even in modified alleged words of Prophet of Islam.. It is "White person" .. not red..  .. Some fool added that word "RDE" there..

    Anyways.. This Last sermon of alleged prophet of Islam is interesting .. He apparently   said
    Quote
     The Final Sermon:

    After praising, and thanking God, the Prophet, may God send His praises upon him said:

    “O People, lend me an attentive ear, for I know not whether after this year, I shall ever be amongst you again.  Therefore, listen to what I am saying to you very carefully and take these words to those who could not be present here today.

    O People, just as you regard this month, this day, this city as Sacred, so regard the life and property of every Muslim as a sacred trust.  Return the goods entrusted to you to their rightful owners.  Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you.  Remember that you will indeed meet your Lord, and that He will indeed reckon your deeds.  God has forbidden you to take usury (interest), therefore all interest obligation shall henceforth be waived.  Your capital, however, is yours to keep.  You will neither inflict nor suffer any inequity.  God has Judged that there shall be no interest, and that all the interest due to Abbas ibn Abd’al Muttalib shall henceforth be waived...

    Beware of Satan, for the safety of your religion.  He has lost all hope that he will ever be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things.

    O People, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women, but they also have rights over you.  Remember that you have taken them as your wives only under a trust from God and with His permission.  If they abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness.  Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers.  And it is your right that they do not make friends with any one of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be unchaste.

    O People, listen to me in earnest, worship God, perform your five daily prayers, fast during the month of Ramadan, and offer Zakat.  Perform Hajj if you have the means.

    All mankind is from Adam and Eve.  An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab, nor does a non-Arab have any superiority over an Arab; white has no superiority over black, nor does a black have any superiority over white; [none have superiority over another] except by piety and good action.  Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood.  Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly.  Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves.

    Remember, one day you will appear before God and answer for your deeds.  So beware, do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone.

    O People, no prophet or apostle will come after me, and no new faith will be born.  Reason well, therefore, O people, and understand words which I convey to you.  I leave behind me two things, the Quran and my example, the Sunnah, and if you follow these you will never go astray.

    All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and it may be that the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me directly.  Be my witness, O God, that I have conveyed your message to your people.”

    Thus the beloved Prophet completed his Final Sermon, and upon it, near the summit of Arafat, the revelation came down:

    “…This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My Grace upon you, and have chosen Islam for you as your religion…” (Quran 5:3)


    So many Muslims considered that as LAST SERMON.. not sure where they got that from.. and why that verse 5.3 is in the end where as in Quran it is in 5th chapter?..

     but any way considering it is from Prophet of islam and those good words are indeed from him.
    Quote
    All mankind is from Adam and Eve.  An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab, nor does a non-Arab have any superiority over an Arab; white has no superiority over black, nor does a black have any superiority over white; [none have superiority over another] except by piety and good action.

     
    Now question is.    Can we find such wisdom words from other religions/scriptures/words from other people such as Alexander or Paul.. or some one else that were born before Prophet of Islam?

    Answer to that question  is yes,, .. let me add some here

    Quote
    Have we not all one father? Has not one God created us? .............Bible, Malachi 2.10

    There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.  .............. Galatians 3.28

    I call heaven and earth to witness: whether Jew or Gentile, whether man or woman, whether servant or freeman, they are all equal in this: that the Holy Spirit rests upon them in accordance with their deeds!  ....Judaism. Midrash, Seder Eliyyahu Rabbah 10

    But a single man [Adam] was created for the sake of peace among mankind, that none should say to his fellow, "My father was greater than your father."...Mishnah, Sanhedrin 4.5


    Truly, truly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. ...   John 13:16  


    So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.  .. Genesis 1:27  


    I am sure such words must be there in so-called other religious books that came before Islam Shia Muslim.. I will get them also in to this thread..


    with best wishes
    yeezevee


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Look at these very beautiful words of Prophet Muhammed (s)
     Reply #14 - November 16, 2012, 07:52 PM

    If they do, then Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely.


     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

    So according to Ibn Ishaq, Mo repeated Q4.34 in his farwell sermon?  mysmilie_977

    Does the text of Ibn Ishaq in the original Arabic use the ضرب verb?

    If so then that pretty much puts the nail in the coffin for anyone that tries to claim that 4.34 actually means something else like "travel away from them".

    Even if you want to claim that Ibn Ishaq was a lier, you cannot deny that it is written in Classical Arabic about 100 years after Muhammad's death. So that would be a clear use of the ضرب verb to mean "to hit".

    Some of these people that claim that ضرب means other things (always seems to be Turks or Pakistanis by the way, never native Arab speakers), say that it means "travel away from them" or "explain to them". But try to put that meaning into the Ibn Ishaq text above: "Travel away from them, but not severely", WTF??
  • Re: Look at these very beautiful words of Prophet Muhammed (s)
     Reply #15 - November 16, 2012, 08:19 PM

    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

    So according to Ibn Ishaq, Mo repeated Q4.34 in his farwell sermon?  mysmilie_977

    Does the text of Ibn Ishaq in the original Arabic use the ضرب verb?

    If so then that pretty much puts the nail in the coffin for anyone that tries to claim that 4.34 actually means something else like "travel away from them".


    ............So that would be a clear use of the ضرب verb to mean "to hit".

    ................"Travel away from them, but not severely", WTF??


    there is a little doubt on that..

    Quote
    004.034
    YUSUFALI: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).

    PICKTHAL: Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

    SHAKIR: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChnpaMK1oLQ

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n46VlDTBaOA

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
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