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  • Re: The Qur'an Plagiarised from Hellenic Semen Theory
     Reply #30 - June 23, 2011, 03:24 AM

    To submit to a petulant tyrant. It's disgusting.


    The Qur'an reflects for a part who you are deep inside.
    That's why you'll hear people saying 'Gradually I saw it in a new light'.
    People change, the Qur'an doesn't.


    If there is one thing I've learnt, is that the true isn't clear.

    Yes and it's so condescending. Like people are children whose world-views we mustn't disrupt. Santa is real, babies come from storks and the money under your pillow was left by a fairy. Roll Eyes


    Let's end this discussion here, it seems you are annoyed.
    Good night.

    The Noble Qur'an -  Verily God does not change a people's condition unless they change their inner selves.
  • Re: The Qur'an Plagiarised from Hellenic Semen Theory
     Reply #31 - June 23, 2011, 03:53 AM

    I meant that the whole universe works by laws that are imposed on it.
    Without these laws the universe would not exist.
    (laws of physics, law of gravity for example)

    While our physical structure does follow laws.
    The only thing that doesn't follow a law is our consciousness, our intention.

    So is it reasonable that there will come a law after death that will be imposed on our consciousness?



    I'm not sure where you are going with this. I don't know if I agree that laws are 'imposed' upon anything, rather, I would propose that everything is just a manifestation of general behavior and that 'laws' are abstractions that are falsifiable but not necessarily absolute and objective truth.
    Regardless, what do you mean by a law imposed on consciousness after death? I don't know what happens to my consciousness at the point of death, nobody does - so I don't know what would be a 'reasonable' assumption to make about it.

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: The Qur'an Plagiarised from Hellenic Semen Theory
     Reply #32 - June 23, 2011, 07:12 AM

    Ultimately, for each one of us, life is about finding happiness.
    Everyone of us lives on a path of belief, of faith. Some might not acknowledge that.

    Let's say that I'm wrong about Islam and that God doesn't exist.
    Even then, why would people make all sort of video's to 'prove' that Islam is wrong?

    I cannot see any other reason than stimulating personal pride / the desire to be admired by the community / seeking fame
    That is probably the source of their happiness at the cost of destroying the reality of others. A gains, B loses.

    Or is there a higher purpose than this selfish idea?


    Pardon my sudden intrusion but I'd like to address this quote briefly.

    The reason why would one make videos/whatever to "prove Islam is wrong" is because Islam ITSELF is trying to enforce itself on the world (early history by jihad/trade, nowadays by da'wah), as far as I can think we wouldn't have this much care of "disproving" Islam if it were a tame religion where joining it and leaving it is of no consequence .
  • Re: The Qur'an Plagiarised from Hellenic Semen Theory
     Reply #33 - June 23, 2011, 08:47 AM

    Ultimately, for each one of us, life is about finding happiness.
    Everyone of us lives on a path of belief, of faith. Some might not acknowledge that.

    Let's say that I'm wrong about Islam and that God doesn't exist.
    Even then, why would people make all sort of video's to 'prove' that Islam is wrong?

    I cannot see any other reason than stimulating personal pride / the desire to be admired by the community / seeking fame
    That is probably the source of their happiness at the cost of destroying the reality of others. A gains, B loses.

    Or is there a higher purpose than this selfish idea?

    Because it's social pollution.

    Don't talk to me about gain and loss, selfish ideas, destroying the reality of others. I don't know how you can even utter those words with a straight face. Religion, when it isn't content with imprisoning millions of people inside their own body, seems to go out of its way to irritate as many people as possible whether they want anything to do with it or not. And really, do you have no idea where you're posting? You're surrounded by people who are drowning and suffocating under your disgusting, chauvinistic brand of monotheism. People who are isolated in communities that would actively discriminate against them should they make themselves known, and who remain in the closet unable to express themselves as free human beings for fear of upsetting or incurring the wrath of loved ones, persecution, social exclusion and alienation, harassment, bullying, or even death. You're surrounded by people who's family has been torn apart by your glorified political ponzie scheme.

    The only reason you don't know why people speak out against your religion is because you're not listening.

    I would disagree.

    To understand one's view, there is no need to publish it for a wide audience
    in the sense of 'you are wrong and I am right'.

    It's basically extending your own view without caring for other people, destroying other
    realities so you can fuel your own.

    The atheist has nothing to lose, the believer has something to lose.
    It's not chocolate that he is losing but his whole view on life, his source of happiness.
    Losing that makes people enjoy life far less and the first few years most people are depressed.

    So is this all worth to find the 'truth'? Which is different for each one of us, it's foundation lies always in faith.
    Especially if the purpose of life is to find happiness.

    While from atheism to theism you gain something instead of losing.

    Weren't you happier as a Muslim? What did 'truth' add to your quality of life?


    Here's one I made earlier:

    There are many reasons to leave a religion. There are many reasons to disbelieve in gods. Doing either doesn't necessarily mean one will jump straight into bed with a replacement. It can also be liberating life experience. It doesn't have to leave a religion shaped hole that needs filling - it can set you free to just explore yourself and the universe and take it as it comes. Some people don't even have emotional attachments to religion, instead having practical attachments. Some want or need neither. Both these kind of attachments can be replaced. But you're not going to put much thought into finding a replacement if they are still holding your attention.

    Islam never really held my attention. I always found myself out of synch with it. Praying was boring, fasting was uncomfortable, the structured ruleset was frustrating me, curiosity was met with trite answers that left me unsatisfied, and the divine directives didn't sit right with me, and I saw the injustices and didn't like them, not only to myself but to others, long before I actually did any reading or investigation into the rationale of how things came to be this way for me. So I wouldn’t describe it as emotional. I think it was a practical, sensual thing - it smelled like bullshit. I was an unbeliever even before I realised what one was, simply by practical deduction. There was no "Eureka!" moment. There was no BOOM! I am an Atheist! It was a complete non-event - the end of an organic, gradual process. The result of largely an unconscious effort.

    Some people are just not born to be Muslim. Some people have a wilder lust for the world and an animal 'fear of the trap' that makes resistance to systems of life like Islam part of their very being. And it's maybe more typical of adolescence than adulthood. Maybe I got out just in time, before I made a terrible compromise to my existence. I can't really speak for emotional attachments in this case, but I can maybe explain why Islam is not even remotely attractive to me except maybe as a chew toy when I'm bored.

    First, the theological claims of Islam have been proven to be false, again and again, by people much more informed and eloquent than I. Simply by its own internal inconsistencies and fallacies as a work of literature, the Qur'an is self-refuting. Any theist with a modicum of self-respect has to concede that it was 'just metaphor and parable' in order to reconcile it with reality and in order to be accepted as marginally sensible in a modern adult world.

    Taken at face value, the Qur’an is profoundly lacking in substance. As a work of literature, it's terrible. Poorly written, poorly structured, uncannily resembling the blissfully ignorant views of the men of that time. This is a fact: it has been outshined, outclassed, outmatched by superior written works. And it makes matters worse for itself by being such an arrogant work. Making bold claims of perfection, challenging its reader to find better. Well, guess what? I found better, and I didn't even have to look very hard at all. Maybe millennia ago, when books were simply not available, it stood out as the bestest fresh and relevant thing to hand, but what are people's excuses these days? You can walk into any library or bookshop and take a random book off the shelf and prove this point: the Qur'an has not stood the test of time.

    Subjective? Perhaps. But when you consider the vast majority of Muslims have not even read the Qur'an anyway and claim to be an authority on it, and when you consider that many of the ones who do actually investigate their own scripture, blatantly lie and squirm about massive sections of its content when they are cornered about it, I think I've got a pretty good case. Hence why so many Muslim careers have been made on pseudo-philosophy and bunk science, trying to find or manufacture hidden meanings behind drained, worn-out lines of rotting text that are demonstrably defunct, and we end up with the so-called Miracles of the Qur'an and various strained numerological attempts and desperate pattern seeking. It's all so forced and contrived - a sad and pitiful attempt to keep the Qur'an relevant in a world that has already moved on.

    On to the mythology. I love a good myth. I love a good story - big, larger than life characters, heroes and villains, champions and monsters, love, honour, bravery, tragedy, deceit, epic sagas, swashbuckling human drama - good old fashioned storytelling. What the authors of the Qur'an have managed to do, in the process of plagiarising and cannibalising every tradition that came before, is to ruin great myths. And its biggest crime is surgically removing any modicum of humour from them. Sterilising them to fit in with The Plan. It has a complete inability to laugh at itself. Islam is where great myths go to die. It's a graveyard of broken myths. One seeking true adventure would do well to follow the trail of breadcrumbs back to the originals it has stolen from. See for yourself the hatchet job those ham-fisted bastards did.

    What about philosophy? Here is what I can write about the philosophy of Islam: Nothing. There isn't anything to go on. Islam is philosophically sterile. It's almost as though philosophy didn't even exist as a concept hundreds of years earlier, almost like Islam evolved in a philosophical vacuum. The measure of its failings is illustrated when any analysis of Islam has to be cross referenced with superior works, some even older. It's almost funny. What a pathetic, infantile stab in the dark at philosophy Islam offers us. What kind of unfortunate and simplistic proto-mind can be satisfied by it? What appetite do I have that otherwise intelligent and respectable Muslims do not? It is a mystery to me.

    Belief in Islam takes so much from you. Yes, it takes from you, and gives back nothing you can't drink elsewhere from richer, cleaner streams. You're diving for pearls in poisoned waters. It traps Muslims in a rigid spiritual prison. A good, subservient, observant Muslim has their spiritual journey restricted by the ruleset of Islam. It is not only restricted, but ruthlessly policed by an all seeing eye. There is the overbearing knowledge that you will be judged according to a specific and set standard. You are held back. You are compelled in some cases to fight against your own good conscience, do things no good person should do, for no other reason than: it says so in a book I think is awesome. Like the wise man Jason Bourne once said, "Do you even know why you’re supposed to kill me? Look at what they make you give."

    As an institution, Islam is systematically responsible for some of the worst human rights violations in the world. It is no coincidence. These things don't just happen to be occurring in Muslim nations by accident. These are the directives of Islam, the divine will of a fantasy war god that ancient clerics and superstitionists decided to name "Allah". These things are the cornerstones of its tradition - subdue, suppress, assert, aggress, spread, dehumanise opposition, demonise dissent, sustained by the unwavering faith in the ascendancy and supremacy of the chosen. This is not something I even want to believe in, support, or swear allegiance to, even if it were miraculously and irrefutably revealed to be true one day. Even if I did believe in the existence of a god resembling the different Abrahamic brands of the One True God™, I'd distance myself from the ponzie scheme as a matter of principle. It is not a choice of belief or disbelief - it is a choice of being a good person or being a good Muslim.

    Ultimately, I was faced with a choice of being a good person or being a good Muslim. A human being cannot be both in my eyes. These two things are at opposite ends of the scale for me. To be an obedient, observant Muslim, you must sacrifice your humanity. You must surrender to a divine will, swear honest fealty to it, without doubt, without questioning. To be a good person you must not only renounce many of the central tenets of Islam, but you must also openly oppose them, wherever they manifest in the world. Then, and only then, can you claim to be a human with me. Or, you can compromise - live some kind of half-life, a contradictory creature, torn between faith and your own conscience, drifting this way and that amid your own confused and unbalanced inner equilibrium - fooling yourself that you are free, and valued, and precious to non-existent higher power. You can pretend that you love an unlovable god, pretend that such a hateful god could ever love you, try to salvage some validation and purpose, some salvation from a book that gives you a little and then takes a lot more, and all the time harbouring a self-loathing, a deep rooted knowledge that you are a slave to that same higher power, with your mind shackled and your heart held back from true human interaction, under his ever-present gaze and scrutiny. That's no life for me. That isn't living.

    I reject Islam wholeheartedly. I made my choice. I chose to try and be a good person instead of trying to be a good Muslim. The main symptom of doing so was feeling the weight lift off as each and every facet of Islam fell away from me. I have learned I no longer have to surrender my body, mind and soul to the god of the Prophet’s desires, dreams and delusions, and I have realised that I wont be punished for imaginary crimes in an imaginary afterlife if I choose not to surrender. The more I learned about the Prophet, the more I found him repulsive, even for a man of his time. The more I pulled away from that hideous Abrahamic concept of a supreme 'one-god', the more alive and vital I was in this gorgeous universe. I was free to be me, the person inside, perfect with all my flaws, comfortable in my own skin, no longer a mind-slave to the dark age ideologies imagined up by sadistic and insane monsters of history, no longer led along by the nose like cattle, no longer living according to the dogma spelled out by long-dead fools whose ideas belong in a museum, throwbacks to the infancy of our species. The umbilical cord that holds back the ascendancy and mastery of our own spirits and minds must be cut. We’ve crawled along on our belly for too long under religion. We should be walking on our own by now, running by now. We could even be flying by now.

    There are better role models in this beautiful world than the so-called Prophet. There are better contributions to the world than the cancerous, poisoned chalice known as the Qur'an. There are better wisdoms out there to find, to add to your own spiritual alchemy, better philosophies, better revelations, better discoveries, better poetic and artistic expression, better hopes and dreams to be had, better love and passions, a much richer, fuller existence - all eclipsed while you are under the black cloud of Islam. I almost hate Islam for the life it denied me for so long, never knowing my potential as a member of the human race. I know that potential now. I can taste it, feel it, appreciate it like never before. I penetrated that black cloud like the chick breaking out of the egg. It was like opening my eyes for the first time to a whole new alphabet of feeling and emotion. Like seeing in colour after a lifetime of black and white.

    I'll never go back. Never. I would be a fool to. I've shed my skin already. My journey has only just begun, my journey of life, with new blood running through me, new verve, new growth, new days, and new hope for the first time - true, tangible hope and possibilities. And with Islam in my rear-view mirror, I have no regrets. This journey of life I am forever grateful for, and I can't begin to describe how excited I am. I can only show those close to me, making the journey with me. And to those who accept me for who I am, and what I am, I will share myself, naked, unashamed, with arms wide open.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: The Qur'an Plagiarised from Hellenic Semen Theory
     Reply #34 - June 24, 2011, 07:47 AM

    It's an interesting point you bring up Klingschor, but I hope I can give you a different perspective.
    Suppose a new Prophet would come now and he would claim that the Earth is flat, no one would believe him even if
    it was true.

    The idea above about semen was present for a long time after the Qur'an was revealed.

    I think the verse here is an example on how the Qur'an does not want to ruin the idea's of a certain civillisation.
    Whether they are wrong or correct doesn't matter. The search for knowledge is more important.
    The Qur'an allows a civillisation to reflect it's current understanding of the universe, it's like a mirror.
    A mirror which will not intervene in aspects of science for example, but will allow human beings to find
    their own way.


    In other words, without religious presuppositions, the Qur’ān doesn’t appear to be a book of divine origin – rather, it appears to be a collation of various stories, fairy-tales, legends, anecdotes, customs and traditions from the ancient Middle East, mixed in with a biography relating the various adventures and exploits of 7th Century Arabian merchant-prophet-warlord, all written from the perspective of a certain monotheistic deity.

    For you to claim that God did this intentionally so as to blend in with the pre-existing culture is sort of like saying God used Evolution to create the diversity of life so as to make it appear like everything happened naturally and no God was involved. You can claim God was behind these phenomena, but these phenomena don’t in fact bear the fingerprints of God and thusly, without a baseless presupposition, we have no reason to think there is a God involved. Rather (returning to the pertinent subject), the Qur’ān appears to be a product of 7th Century Arabia and nothing more.



    The Qur'an is for moral guidance, the first part of the verse is far more important.
    So let man observe from what he was created.

    I'll give you a few examples.

    The Qur'an uses the word 'sperm or semen' in multiple verses.

    (18:37) While conversing with him his neighbour exclaimed: "Do you deny Him Who created you out of dust, then out of a drop of sperm, and then fashioned you into a complete man?

    (22:5) O mankind! If you have any doubt concerning Resurrection, then know that it is surely We Who created you from dust, then from a drop of sperm


    (35:11) Allah created you from dust, then from a drop of sperm, then He made you into pairs. No female conceives, nor delivers (a child) except with His knowledge. None is given a long life nor is any diminished in his life but it is written in a Book. Surely that is quite easy for Allah.

    (36:77) Does man not see that We created him of a sperm drop, and lo! he is flagrantly contentious?

    (40:67) He it is Who created you from dust, then from a sperm-drop, then from a clot; then He brings you out as an infant, then causes you to grow into full maturity, and then causes you to grow further so that you may reach old age, while some of you He recalls earlier. All this is in order that you may reach an appointed term and that you may understand (the Truth).

    (53:46) from a drop of sperm when it was emitted,

    (56:58) Did you ever consider the sperm that you emit?

    (76:2) Verily We created man out of a drop of intermingled sperm so that We might try him, and We therefore endowed him with hearing and sight.

    (80:19) Out of a sperm-drop did He create him and then determined a measure for him,

    (75:37) Was he not a drop of ejaculated semen,



    So we can see that the Qur'an continuosly uses these words.
    Let's look back at the verse you mentioned.

    Qur'an - 86:6


    Sahih International
    He was created from a fluid, ejected,

    Muhsin Khan
    He is created from a water gushing forth.

    Pickthall
    He is created from a gushing fluid

    Yusuf Ali
    He is created from a drop emitted-

    Shakir
    He is created of water pouring forth,

    Dr. Ghali
    He was created from effusive water,



    The question rises here:


    Why is it the only verse of countless verses where the Author does want to use the word semen/sperm but instead
    of that He uses vague terms? Especially if it was copied from an advanced civillisation.
    The only explanation here is that the Author was aware of the situation....

    I think that the Author here meant blood for our age and sperm for the past.
    Whatever it is, isn't important.
    What more important is the first part of the verse, as I said before, it has a moral lesson for us all.


    A verse like this gives me proof, it gives you rope.


    If what you’re saying is correct, and the author of the Qur’ān was in fact literally referring to water (māin) and thus the Qur’ān is factually incorrect and thus imperfect. If however ‘water’ is a euphemism for seminal fluid (as was the opinion of ‘Abdullāh ibn ‘Abbās and Ismā‘īl ibn ‘Umar ibn Kathīr, the latter of whom related Hadīths to prove this interpretation), then the Qur’ān is again wrong, but this time understandably so, as it is merely repeating a common belief that abounded in Antiquity.

    Thusly:

    If we take a purely Linguistic Approach, the Qur’ān claims that humans are created from water rushing out between the backbones and ribs, which is factually incorrect.

    If we take the a Traditional Approach, the Qur’ān is referring to Semen and (as well as being factually incorrect) is parroting Hippocratic Semen Theory.



    Your video's are probably a source for many Muslims to leave their faith


    That is my aim, yes.



    it causes troubles at home since unfortunately they can't tell their family about their feelings. Some have doubts for years and years and become depressed.


    Well I’m sorry, but that’s tough sh*t – Believers will just have to come to terms with reality (as I had to) and learn to cope in the real world. Furthermore, the problems that Islam causes in the world far outweigh the initial shock that arises from a Reality-Bitchslap:

    Capital Punishment for Apostates, Fornicators, Adulterers, Blasphemers and Homosexuals; Corporeal Punishment for Drinking, Gambling, Theft and Fornication; Sexual Repression borne from the doctrines of ‘No Sex Before Marriage’, ‘Masturbation is bad’ and ‘Innate Sexual urges and desires are evil and need to be suppressed’; the rape of enslaved women and (according to the Hanafīs) wives also; Marriage to girls on the cusp of puberty and sometimes even before; the systematic oppression of non-Muslim Monotheists, and the savage destruction of Polytheists; the appalling status and treatment of women, etc, etc, etc.

    I’m sorry, but in comparison to that clusterf*ck of misery and iniquity, a brief period of emotional downturn is well worth the loss of faith.



    So do not claim Greatness Klingschor, not believing is one thing.
    But actively making video's in order tot sustain your pride, irrespective in destroying other people's reality is another.


    I do this because it is intellectual satisfying, and allows me to vent my creativity. But even IF it was purely an ego thing, that would have zero relevance to the validity of my arguments.



    Fire has the same qualities, it grows and it grows and it doesn't care about the reailities it destroys.
    The only important thing is it's own growth. Fire is ultimately answered with Fire.


    Are you threatening me?
  • Re: The Qur'an Plagiarised from Hellenic Semen Theory
     Reply #35 - June 24, 2011, 07:53 AM

    What about philosophy? Here is what I can write about the philosophy of Islam: Nothing. There isn't anything to go on. Islam is philosophically sterile. It's almost as though philosophy didn't even exist as a concept hundreds of years earlier, almost like Islam evolved in a philosophical vacuum. The measure of its failings is illustrated when any analysis of Islam has to be cross referenced with superior works, some even older. It's almost funny. What a pathetic, infantile stab in the dark at philosophy Islam offers us. What kind of unfortunate and simplistic proto-mind can be satisfied by it? What appetite do I have that otherwise intelligent and respectable Muslims do not? It is a mystery to me.


    Mu'tazila.
  • Re: The Qur'an Plagiarised from Hellenic Semen Theory
     Reply #36 - June 28, 2011, 06:48 PM

    What about it?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: The Qur'an Plagiarised from Hellenic Semen Theory
     Reply #37 - July 01, 2011, 05:31 PM

    The Mu'tazilites fuzed Greek Philosophy and Islam.
  • Re: The Qur'an Plagiarised from Hellenic Semen Theory
     Reply #38 - July 02, 2011, 07:59 PM

    Your video's are probably a source for many Muslims to leave their faith, it causes troubles
    at home since unfortunately they can't tell their family about their feelings.
    Some have doubts for years and years and become depressed.

    So do not claim Greatness Klingschor, not believing is one thing.
    But actively making video's in order tot sustain your pride, irrespective in destroying other people's reality is another.


    I hope the following doesn't come across as too pretentious... just a little would be fine yes

    In all honesty what I personally get from your posts (I could be wrong) is that you don't want to seriously doubt your faith because it might lead to unhappiness?

    You've highlighted something important that I'm personally guilty of and need to take more seriously. Which is creating videos and critically questioning Islam, and then leaving the audience with a vacuum by not offering a different perspective.

    I think we need to provide a perspective alongside our criticism that they can use for intellectual and psychological support, to help them through the emotional difficulties they will probably encounter.

    I've personally had a colourful past and think that my personal experience with cults softened the emotional 'blow' of leaving Islam - that and being a revert. But even for a few days (and even now) emotional remnants from my Christian upbringing, and 6 years as a muslim, softly beckon me. 

    Alot of negative emotions have been purposefully attached to open inquiry and criticism of Islam/religion, we've been been guided through stories and repetition to visualize hell in order to make the threat of torment emotionally real.

    We are also scared to lose our group identity as a muslim, which we have been taught to value as our identity above all others. Also born muslims - and those of us who are married to muslims - have to endure possible break downs of family relations and our primary social circle.

    I sympathize with what you are saying; the emotional toll intuitively looks friggin hard, so why implore people to go down that road?

    I suppose that's why my favourite 'question religion!' youtube channels are Philhellnes, theramintrees, and Qualia soup, they criticize religious beliefs but also provide a different perspective on life and humanity that inspires people, intellectually and emotionally.

    Here's a few examples of what I mean (I'm a youtube nut)...

    Philhellnes

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyjNXdEGjO4&feature=related

    A Qualia soup and Theramin trees collaboration

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU6bc_Gsp7s
  • Re: The Qur'an Plagiarised from Hellenic Semen Theory
     Reply #39 - July 09, 2011, 02:45 AM

    It's an interesting point you bring up Klingschor, but I hope I can give you a different perspective.
    Suppose a new Prophet would come now and he would claim that the Earth is flat, no one would believe him even if
    it was true.

    The idea above about semen was present for a long time after the Qur'an was revealed.

    I think the verse here is an example on how the Qur'an does not want to ruin the idea's of a certain civillisation.
    Whether they are wrong or correct doesn't matter. The search for knowledge is more important.
    The Qur'an allows a civillisation to reflect it's current understanding of the universe, it's like a mirror.
    A mirror which will not intervene in aspects of science for example, but will allow human beings to find
    their own way.

    The Qur'an is for moral guidance, the first part of the verse is far more important.
    So let man observe from what he was created.

    I'll give you a few examples.

    The Qur'an uses the word 'sperm or semen' in multiple verses.

    (18:37) While conversing with him his neighbour exclaimed: "Do you deny Him Who created you out of dust, then out of a drop of sperm, and then fashioned you into a complete man?

    (22:5) O mankind! If you have any doubt concerning Resurrection, then know that it is surely We Who created you from dust, then from a drop of sperm


    (35:11) Allah created you from dust, then from a drop of sperm, then He made you into pairs. No female conceives, nor delivers (a child) except with His knowledge. None is given a long life nor is any diminished in his life but it is written in a Book. Surely that is quite easy for Allah.

    (36:77) Does man not see that We created him of a sperm drop, and lo! he is flagrantly contentious?

    (40:67) He it is Who created you from dust, then from a sperm-drop, then from a clot; then He brings you out as an infant, then causes you to grow into full maturity, and then causes you to grow further so that you may reach old age, while some of you He recalls earlier. All this is in order that you may reach an appointed term and that you may understand (the Truth).

    (53:46) from a drop of sperm when it was emitted,

    (56:58) Did you ever consider the sperm that you emit?

    (76:2) Verily We created man out of a drop of intermingled sperm so that We might try him, and We therefore endowed him with hearing and sight.

    (80:19) Out of a sperm-drop did He create him and then determined a measure for him,

    (75:37) Was he not a drop of ejaculated semen,



    So we can see that the Qur'an continuosly uses these words.
    Let's look back at the verse you mentioned.

    Qur'an - 86:6


    Sahih International
    He was created from a fluid, ejected,

    Muhsin Khan
    He is created from a water gushing forth.

    Pickthall
    He is created from a gushing fluid

    Yusuf Ali
    He is created from a drop emitted-

    Shakir
    He is created of water pouring forth,

    Dr. Ghali
    He was created from effusive water,



    The question rises here:


    Why is it the only verse of countless verses where the Author does want to use the word semen/sperm but instead
    of that He uses vague terms? Especially if it was copied from an advanced civillisation.
    The only explanation here is that the Author was aware of the situation....

    I think that the Author here meant blood for our age and sperm for the past.
    Whatever it is, isn't important.
    What more important is the first part of the verse, as I said before, it has a moral lesson for us all.


    A verse like this gives me proof, it gives you rope.

    Your video's are probably a source for many Muslims to leave their faith, it causes troubles
    at home since unfortunately they can't tell their family about their feelings.
    Some have doubts for years and years and become depressed.

    So do not claim Greatness Klingschor, not believing is one thing.
    But actively making video's in order tot sustain your pride, irrespective in destroying other people's reality is another.

    Fire has the same qualities, it grows and it grows and it doesn't care about the reailities it destroys.
    The only important thing is it's own growth. Fire is ultimately answered with Fire.



    You call this moral guidance?  Even my moral standards are better than Allah's.
  • Re: The Qur'an Plagiarised from Hellenic Semen Theory
     Reply #40 - July 09, 2011, 11:15 AM

    Ultimately, for each one of us, life is about finding happiness.
    Everyone of us lives on a path of belief, of faith. Some might not acknowledge that.

    Let's say that I'm wrong about Islam and that God doesn't exist.
    Even then, why would people make all sort of video's to 'prove' that Islam is wrong?

    I cannot see any other reason than stimulating personal pride / the desire to be admired by the community / seeking fame
    That is probably the source of their happiness at the cost of destroying the reality of others. A gains, B loses.

    Or is there a higher purpose than this selfish idea?







    If I make such videos, it would be to merely guide people to the truth that I have found and help them cope with lifting the blind fold which is not that easy and was not that easy for me. Fame from a couple thousand views? Are you serious? You're better of raywilliamjohnsoning with any random comedy.
    You make as much sense as the muslims that say: Oooooh! You left Islam to drink alcohol and have sex!
    Really? So I would give up eternal happiness and peace of heart for bad tasting drinks and guilty pleasures? Or am I finally abandoning that which is not true and refusing to be another monkey-see-monkey-do?

    I'm open for debate (of why we should re-/embrace Islam), but I will no longer participate in this forum. Message me if you need anything. Good luck and may you all find your way... again...
  • Re: The Qur'an Plagiarised from Hellenic Semen Theory
     Reply #41 - July 09, 2011, 04:21 PM

    There's a "Semen Theory"? LOL!  Cheesy
  • Re: The Qur'an Plagiarised from Hellenic Semen Theory
     Reply #42 - August 11, 2011, 01:43 PM

    While our physical structure does follow laws...

    So is it reasonable that there will come a law after death that will be imposed on our consciousness?


    That is easily the worst attempt of purposely deceitful word play I've ever seen, lol

    Quote
    Fallacy of Accent:
    'Emphasis is used to suggest a meaning different from the actual content.'

    Laws of Physics vs Law of Jurisdiction in this case.
  • The Qur'an Plagiarised from Hellenic Semen Theory
     Reply #43 - September 19, 2013, 01:32 PM


    Why is it the only verse of countless verses where the Author does want to use the word semen/sperm but instead
    of that He uses vague terms? Especially if it was copied from an advanced civillisation.



    I am not sure if it was indeed copied from hellenic semen theory, but this statement is wrong. Just as an example, 77:20 also uses the same word.
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