Debating Islam/Quran with Abdulla Alandalusi

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OP - February 18, 2014, 02:57 PM

Abdulla Alandalussi and I will be discussing Islam and the Quran on April 6th at 8PM UK time via Internet video chat (probably Google Hangouts).

The discussion will be uploaded unedited. I am looking forward to discovering his views etc.

I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
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Reply #1 - February 18, 2014, 03:08 PM

Quote from: TheRationalizer on February 18, 2014, 02:57 PM
Abdulla Alandalussi and I will be discussing Islam and the Quran on April 6th at 8PM UK time via Internet video chat (probably Google Hangouts).

The discussion will be uploaded unedited. I am looking forward to discovering his views etc.

good going TheRationalizer.. EAT HIM ALIVE ...lol.. Sure he is reading. CEMB.

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Reply #2 - February 18, 2014, 04:58 PM

Thank you RASH.

Does anybody else know wether he's into that philosophy is better than science mumbo-jumbo that Tzortzis' crew has been spouting out?

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Reply #3 - February 18, 2014, 05:53 PM

these seem to be his main vids on his arguements for the existence of a deity. The title suggests appears he follow the tactics of Deen & Tzortzis, argueing for A Deistic cause behind the universe...you know cos we haven't heard Aristotle First Cause argument rehashed over and over again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my7Z1cF71cE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id0xtU2kc-k

Other then that heres him rehashing the illiterate pakistani village mullah's argument of "the miraculous quran!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSpLTuLlkNA
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Reply #4 - February 18, 2014, 06:05 PM

Islamic apologetics always seems to be playing catch-up with Christian apologetics. It always comes across to me as a pale, amateur imitation.

Not that Christian apologetics is anything to write home about. But there is some quite sophisticated stuff from certain quarters. Something to get one's teeth into at least.

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Reply #5 - February 18, 2014, 06:16 PM

Much of the Muslim World is trying to regurgitate the same nonsense as the Christian apologetcis but Muslim arguemnts differ because they can hide behind obscurities such as the Arabic language and they prely on the ignorance of their audience on Islamic jurisprudence and history.

Most of the Western audience are familiar with Christianity and the OLD/New Testamanet. But Muslims can always hide behind Islamic history; ignorance of the historicity of the Qur'an and certain aspects of Shariah. This is the tactics the propagandists use in their debates...they argued about the science of the Koran with people who had only heard of it the first time and even though these professors say they tackeld the same BS with Christians the Muslims no doubt say 'Ah, but ours is different so challenge it' and when the professor can't challenge it because the goal posts are changed with some variation of an Arabic word or another then the BABOONS claim victory.

Also with the inimitability of the Koran. I know RASH will rinse this guy dry on the usual BS and he will demonstrate his first hand account of interviewing the mislead scientists that were quote mined...but I think he should be prepared for the more vague, wishy washy, philosophy, deductive argument, science is uncertain (how do you know your great, great, great great grandmother) style of (non)argumentation.

These propaganists when backed in the corner will pluck whatever shit out of the depths of their arses and say 'Now, tackle this shiny new argument!' Even though we've heard the same BS before.

Did I mention BS?

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Reply #6 - February 18, 2014, 06:31 PM

Quote from: Ishina on February 18, 2014, 06:05 PM
Islamic apologetics always seems to be playing catch-up with Christian apologetics. It always comes across to me as a pale, amateur imitation.

This.

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Reply #7 - February 18, 2014, 07:44 PM

watched one of those videos.
I was expecting him to say something we hadn't already heard from tzortzis. Even used the same list of 'rhetorical devices.'

I assume he doesn't know the language either?
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Reply #8 - February 18, 2014, 07:51 PM

Enough with the rhetorical devices already! Tzortzis, al Andalusi and all other (Muslim) wannabe philosophers are just repeating what has already been said, and debunked, a long time ago. Personally, I find the "philosophical arguments" for god existence to be unfullfilling, and in the end irrelevant, when we have empirical data and facts that have already proven that all religions fucked up fromt he get-go (with the origins of man and the universe). I mean, you can come up with some fancy pancy philosophical argument for gods existence, but in the end the Adam and Even incestuos little adventure is ridiculous enough. Whatever.

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Reply #9 - February 18, 2014, 07:57 PM

Quote from: dr_sloth on February 18, 2014, 07:44 PM
watched one of those videos.
I was expecting him to say something we hadn't already heard from tzortzis. Even used the same list of 'rhetorical devices.'

I assume he doesn't know the language either?

Can any Arabic speaker explain this mono-rhyme argument that no piece of Arabic known to man contains the same amount as the Quran?
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Reply #10 - February 18, 2014, 08:25 PM

But the argument of the Koran's inimitability has not been debunked very well in the eyes of the Muslims if at all....I mean there are some very good arguments out there but you have to piece them all together to create a coherent, whole argument. As what happened with the science in the Koran miracle claim, we know that Hamza can see sense in the end, but there needs to be lots of evidence out there and targeted to these people. I for one would love for ACADEMICS and SCHOLARS to talk about these claims. If anyone knows of any that have DIRECTLY spoken of these let me know.

The more the claim is debunked online via Youtube and forums the less these fools will use it.

To say that the Muslim apologetics are merely copying the Christian is underestimating the gullibility of the audience and the naivety of the Muslim apologists. We need more DEBUNKING of ORAL TRANSMISSION as RELIABLE and PRESERVATION OF THE KORAN and the EXISTENCE OF MUHAMMAD and the FORMATION OF ISLAM and LINGUSITC MIRACLE and the NUMBER MIRACLES and ALL OTHER SUCH NONSENSE. True that CHristians have used variations of these arguments but if you are debating with Muslims they will argue that THEIR particular book has not been challenged - YET!

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Reply #11 - February 20, 2014, 12:59 AM

Quote from: Ishina on February 18, 2014, 06:05 PM
Islamic apologetics always seems to be playing catch-up with Christian apologetics. It always comes across to me as a pale, amateur imitation.

Not that Christian apologetics is anything to write home about. But there is some quite sophisticated stuff from certain quarters. Something to get one's teeth into at least.

modern da'wah in the west is a complete plaigarism of Christian apologetics with Islam grafted on it. Its nonsense and stupidity being sold in a second hand bag. Pitiful really

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