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  • The Quran is saturated with filler material
     OP - May 04, 2013, 11:18 AM

    Obviously most of you are aware of this, but I wanted to write it down.

    Filler material, very little content. It's amazing how the perfect book that's supposedly written by God has pages and pages that have no real value. If half of the Quran was removed, the only difference I could think of is that Muslims will have more time on their hands in Ramadan.

    Ask a Muslim what the Quran has ever taught them. It would certainly be difficult to give a convincing answer. Here's how it would look like:

    "It taught me to be nice to my parents."
    "Well, I'm just as nice to my parents, and I don't need a holy book to teach me common decency. Plus that's a lot more emphasised in the hadith than the Quran, so even if the Quran said nothing about it, it wouldn't really affect you. What valuable knowledge has the Quran taught Muslims that they wouldn't otherwise know?"
    "Shut up! You're making too much sense!"


    When I was still a Muslim, I spent hours trying to figure out the point of some of these Suras. If every Sura was miraculously rich and meaningful, why do I get the impression that these are completely unnecessary and add absolutely nothing? I tried hard to learn something from them, but I couldn't come up with anything remotely unique or informative.

    Quote
    May the hands of Abu Lahab be ruined, and ruined is he.
    His wealth will not avail him or that which he gained.
    He will [enter to] burn in a Fire of [blazing] flame
    And his wife [as well] - the carrier of firewood.
    Around her neck is a rope of [twisted] fiber.


    Quote
    When the victory of Allah has come and the conquest,
    And you see the people entering into the religion of Allah in multitudes,
    Then exalt [Him] with praise of your Lord and ask forgiveness of Him. Indeed, He is ever Accepting of repentance.


    Quote
    Indeed, We have granted you, [O Muhammad], al-Kawthar.
    So pray to your Lord and sacrifice [to Him alone].
    Indeed, your enemy is the one cut off.


    Bottom line? The Quran is simply unimpressive. God certainly used the wrong method to impress humanity if that was his intention. Miraculously good Arabic you say? Really? If someone like Shakespeare claimed that his work was divine and challenged you to come up with something like it, would you even be bothered to take courses in English literature to verify his claims and meet his challenge, or would you consider the challenge to be absurd and ignore it? If it's the latter, wouldn't you be risking his version of hell for not believing in him?
  • The Quran is saturated with filler material
     Reply #1 - May 04, 2013, 11:26 AM

    Quote
    May the hands of Abu Lahab be ruined, and ruined is he.
    His wealth will not avail him or that which he gained.
    He will [enter to] burn in a Fire of [blazing] flame
    And his wife [as well] - the carrier of firewood.
    Around her neck is a rope of [twisted] fiber.


    People used to love people being burnt to death - Isn't there some incredibly pornographic descriptions of the death of Joan of arc?

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • The Quran is saturated with filler material
     Reply #2 - May 04, 2013, 12:48 PM

    You should check out "The Wahhy Project"  yes

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=23159.0
  • The Quran is saturated with filler material
     Reply #3 - May 04, 2013, 12:54 PM

    Obviously most of you are aware of this, but I wanted to write it down.

    Filler material, very little content. It's amazing how the perfect book that's supposedly written by God has pages and pages that have no real value. If half of the Quran was removed, the only difference I could think of is that Muslims will have more time on their hands in Ramadan.

    Ask a Muslim what the Quran has ever taught them. It would certainly be difficult to give a convincing answer. Here's how it would look like:

    "It taught me to be nice to my parents."
    "Well, I'm just as nice to my parents, and I don't need a holy book to teach me common decency. Plus that's a lot more emphasised in the hadith than the Quran, so even if the Quran said nothing about it, it wouldn't really affect you. What valuable knowledge has the Quran taught Muslims that they wouldn't otherwise know?"
    "Shut up! You're making too much sense!"


    When I was still a Muslim, I spent hours trying to figure out the point of some of these Suras. If every Sura was miraculously rich and meaningful, why do I get the impression that these are completely unnecessary and add absolutely nothing? I tried hard to learn something from them, but I couldn't come up with anything remotely unique or informative.

    Bottom line? The Quran is simply unimpressive. God certainly used the wrong method to impress humanity if that was his intention. Miraculously good Arabic you say? Really? If someone like Shakespeare claimed that his work was divine and challenged you to come up with something like it, would you even be bothered to take courses in English literature to verify his claims and meet his challenge, or would you consider the challenge to be absurd and ignore it? If it's the latter, wouldn't you be risking his version of hell for not believing in him?


    I genuinely believe you could learn more of human nature through Shakespeare than the Qu'ran, that is for certain.
  • The Quran is saturated with filler material
     Reply #4 - May 04, 2013, 01:53 PM

    i came to the same conclusion recently http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=23954.0
  • The Quran is saturated with filler material
     Reply #5 - May 04, 2013, 01:57 PM

    Not to mention how repetitive it is. I wonder how much would be left if you took out every repeating phrase and all the repeated stories.
  • The Quran is saturated with filler material
     Reply #6 - May 04, 2013, 03:47 PM

    When I read the Quran I was annoyed that instead of presenting evidence for why it is the true religion. It spent the first few chapters asserting that it is the one true religion and you must follow or go to hell. And I'm reading it sitting here going... why?? And every time it mentions non-believers I'm also thinking, well no wonder why you have to keep on mentioning non-believers and kufirs because even the Quran is self-aware that people will not believe it because it doesn't make any damn sense.

    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • The Quran is saturated with filler material
     Reply #7 - May 04, 2013, 09:35 PM

    Not to mention how repetitive it is. I wonder how much would be left if you took out every repeating phrase and all the repeated stories.

    Bugger all. Probably enough for a pamphlet. grin12

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
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