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 Topic: The Hypocrisy and Nonsense of the Islamic Doctrine of "fiTrat al-insan"

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  • The Hypocrisy and Nonsense of the Islamic Doctrine of "fiTrat al-insan"
     OP - August 21, 2015, 11:29 PM

    In opposition to Augustinian Christianity's doctrine of 'original sin' (phrased as such by Thoms Aquinas "originale peccatum") modern orthodox Sunni Islam, in all four of its madhaahib, so far as I know, holds that 'fiTrat al-insaan' or the nature of man is basically good, and people are only drawn away from this "innate Islam" of their birth by their parents, their friends, their cultural, and their own perverse desire to rebel against Allah subhaan wa taala. And yet Islam also holds that everyone who has ever been born, and an honest reading of the Quran from the Islamic perspective-- that it was voiced by Muhammad in relation to discussions that he had with other people during his life (a ludicrous view, but not the topic of this post)-- will include Muhammad in this, must supplicate Allah for forgiveness, and must do good deeds and acts of faith to win His favor and thus in doing save themselves from the fate of the kufaar, unbearable torture in jahannam forever and ever.

    So whence, then, fiTrat al-insaan? Whence know we of this innate Islam? I was listening to the Christopher Hitchens video below (I have always been fascinated with scholarly criticism of the (fake) historical narratives of Abrahamic religions, but as of late am more interested in philosophical criticisms of theism in general, Islam and Christianity in particular) and his criticism of religion, that it posits a humanity "born sick and commanded to be well", seemed at first glance to be inapplicable to Islam with its doctrine of the Nature of Man.

    Yet I thought further, and realized that this is not true. Saying that we're all born Muslims and then all, without exception (or with 1 exception, the Prophet Salla Allah aleyhu wasallam, even though the speaker in the Quran frequently invokes Allah for forgiveness of his personal sins), err and become in need of the salvation economy of Islam, Salaa, zakaa, Saum, Haj, and shahaada. What is the difference here? What is the point of this doctrine? In truth, for a religion like Christianity or Islam, in the end the actual 'in practice' doctrine is and will always be original sin. If people can be good without God, then people will have no need for religion. Religions focused on sin like Talmudic Judaism, Catholic Christianity, and Sunni Islam need people to feel sick and in need of healing to justify their (the religion's--id est the religious scholars, priests, rabbis, imams, and religious social/political demagogues') existence.

    fiTrat al-insaan according to Islam, if you look at what the religion really instill in its followers, in damnable, wretched, and in need of salvation. And vis-a-vis Christianity, I would say that this 'de facto' doctrine is even more destructive, since unlike the saving death of Jesus the Muslim believer has no rock upon which to place his faith in jannah, no way besides martyrdom to ensure that he is not one of the "khaasiruun" or "losers" in the next life, as the Quran so elegantly puts it.

    Sick and commanded to be well indeed, Islam makes its followers sick that they might beg for a medicine which only does them more harm.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pmArHBW9ns
     

    إطلب العلم ولو في الصين

    Es sitzt keine Krone so fest und so hoch,
    Der mutige Springer erreicht sie doch.

    I don't give a fuck about your war, or your President.
  • The Hypocrisy and Nonsense of the Islamic Doctrine of 'fiTrat al-insan"
     Reply #1 - August 21, 2015, 11:45 PM

    Islam Is Lame
  • The Hypocrisy and Nonsense of the Islamic Doctrine of 'fiTrat al-insan"
     Reply #2 - August 22, 2015, 12:25 AM

    It's interesting that this doctrine is also non-Qur'anic.  In fact the very first revelation Muhammad ever received, by the traditional Islamic account, is Surah 96.  That surah takes pains to describe the saving revelation as being one communicated through the pen, by writing, rather than innately or by reason.  alladhī ʿallama bil-qalami ʿallama l-insāna mā lam yaʿlam.  God is praised for teaching man, through written revelation, what he otherwise did not know.  Revelation is needed because man is certainly disposed to evil.  kallā inna l-insāna layaṭghā an raāhu is'taghnā

    This early surah gives the classic Christian-scriptural account of humanity, where man learns by scriptural revelation what he could not otherwise know.

    I take the 'innate Islam' argument as developing from later theological efforts to describe Islam as more 'original' than the corrupted Jewish and Christian scriptures, a way of establishing its prestige as the true religion of Abraham and other pre-Moses believers, which man was able to ascertain even without written scripture.  But this is clearly contradictory when compared to the revelation doctrine of earlier Qur'anic surahs, and which continues to generate weirdness like the Qur'anic reference to the "Book of Abraham," a non-existent text produced by the logic that every prophet is given a Book.
  • The Hypocrisy and Nonsense of the Islamic Doctrine of "fiTrat al-insan"
     Reply #3 - August 22, 2015, 03:52 AM


    .That is one of greatest debate of Hitch,,just one year after that debate he is gone.. I watch that debate often...anyways let me add 2hr tube instead of 6mt tube

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddsz9XBhrYA

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
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