my second apostacy
Reply #98 - November 23, 2013, 10:50 AM
Someguy, you are basically saying that Islam is the divine truth but disregard it because human rationality makes more sense than Gods word. Some of the people here arguing with you have lived Islam whole heartedly following all the commands it gives, as it tells you to. So for someone with a lack of knowledge to come and say its the truth, do as you please but label your rationality as Islam. So what makes Islam Gods divine words if we are choosing what is best for ourselves individually based on our infallible minds. You seem like a lovely guy but Muslims with no knowledge of their religion that preach annoy me more than the ones that are honest and straightforward, I feel like giving you dawah.
Believers before Muslims were punished for this pick and choose behaviour, there are examples given in the Quran.
"And yet, it is you who slay one another and drive some of your own people from their homelands, aiding one another against them in sin and hatred; but if they come to you as captives, you ransom them - although the very [act of] driving them away has been made unlawful to you!. Do you, then, believe in some parts of the divine writ and deny the truth of other parts? What, then, could be the reward of those among you who do such things but ignominy in the life of this world and, on the Day of Resurrection, commitment to most grievous suffering? For God is not unmindful of what you do."
(Quran 2:85)
"O ye who believe! enter into Islam whole-heartedly; and follow not the footsteps of the Evil One; for he is to you an avowed enemy. If ye backslide after the clear (signs) have come to you, then know that Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise. Will they wait until Allah comes to them in canopies of clouds, with angels (in His train) and the question is (thus) settled? But to Allah do all questions go back (for decision). Ask the Children of Israel how many Clear (Signs) We have sent to them. But if anyone after Allah's favour has come to him, substitutes (something else), Allah is strict in punishment. The life of this world is alluring to those who reject faith, and they scoff at those who believe. But the righteous will be above them on the Day of Resurrection; for Allah bestows His abundance without measures on whom He will."
(Qur'an: Baqarah: 2: 208-212)
With Islam you do it properly or you don't do it at all, or even if you can't do it properly acknowledge it for what it is and what you are unable to do at the moment. Islam makes reference to many things that make people leave the fold of Islam, many would consider you an apostate or hypocrite for not believing Islam is perfect and complete, not by their own definition but the definition given by "Gods divine word" or the messenger of God. Maybe that's something to ponder on.
"Make anyone believe their own knowledge and logic is insufficient and you'll have a puppet susceptible to manipulation."
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