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OP - November 19, 2013, 01:35 AM

This is the first time someone has explained to me the roots of the Islamist movement and where it came from.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EqSuNewrQs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-9QjHJQ3nI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXR8Df_Bml0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ojjLLN-30E
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Reply #1 - November 19, 2013, 01:58 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jds0N9pjWhU#t=451

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-9QjHJQ3nI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXR8Df_Bml0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ojjLLN-30E
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Reply #2 - November 19, 2013, 01:58 AM

Ahh, Maajid Nawaz. I'm actually quite interested in him, I find him a very intelligent and very interesting man

Far as I'm aware the taliban and al-qaeda were trained and mobilized by the US in the cold war to fight against the Russians. Some people say it was the US that developed the idea that drives terrorism today but I've never looked into it so can't say if it's true or not.

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Reply #3 - November 19, 2013, 02:09 AM

I wouldn't put anything past the Yanks and their war by proxies but don't forget the house of Saud.

They provided the ideological stamp of approval.

Or so I think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-9QjHJQ3nI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXR8Df_Bml0
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Reply #4 - November 19, 2013, 02:09 AM

They also used those terrorist groups for guerrilla warfare in South America.

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Reply #5 - November 19, 2013, 02:12 AM

The Saudis do everything tey can to fund and push these batshit crazy extremist Islamic teachings and ideology. I truly hope I live to see the day their oil runs out. Unless they get smart and invest into other business like Qatar. Stay dumb Saudi, stay dumb.

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Reply #6 - November 19, 2013, 02:13 AM

I would of said grow a brain and join us in the 21sat century but can't see that happening.

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Reply #7 - November 19, 2013, 02:22 AM

This woman is from near where I live and she gives a stunning speech:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2q1k8U7hjw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-9QjHJQ3nI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXR8Df_Bml0
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Reply #8 - November 19, 2013, 01:25 PM

I do find the guy interesting, as has already been said. However, Islamism is not the only problem with Islam and os not responsible for Muslim or Islamic, what we would call it, extremism and fundamentalism. Like any other religion, Islam contains texts and passages that are problematic and contradictory to our modern society built upon equality, freedom and democracy. Only by reforming Islam, like Christianity, and by introducing true secularism into Muslim societies, can the litteralists and fundamentalist Islam be marginalized. Today, child brides, cliterectomy, opression of women among other things are all practiced and supported by Muslim interpretations and texts. That is a big problem.

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Reply #9 - November 19, 2013, 02:20 PM

Quote from: Cornflower on November 19, 2013, 01:25 PM
I do find the guy interesting, as has already been said. However, Islamism is not the only problem with Islam and os not responsible for Muslim or Islamic, what we would call it, extremism and fundamentalism. Like any other religion, Islam contains texts and passages that are problematic and contradictory to our modern society built upon equality, freedom and democracy. Only by reforming Islam, like Christianity, and by introducing true secularism into Muslim societies, can the litteralists and fundamentalist Islam be marginalized. Today, child brides, cliterectomy, opression of women among other things are all practiced and supported by Muslim interpretations and texts. That is a big problem.

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Reply #10 - November 19, 2013, 03:18 PM

Never heard it called cliterectomy before.

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Reply #11 - November 20, 2013, 03:51 AM

Quote from: Eduardo on November 19, 2013, 02:09 AM
I wouldn't put anything past the Yanks and their war by proxies but don't forget the house of Saud.

They provided the ideological stamp of approval.

Or so I think.

Who do you think funded and armed the Al Saud? It was us, the Americans. Without rifles exchanged for their land rights, could the Al Saud have run around Arabistan killing off the non-Wahhabis? I think not.

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Reply #12 - November 20, 2013, 10:46 AM

Quote from: three on November 20, 2013, 03:51 AM
Who do you think funded and armed the Al Saud? It was us, the Americans. Without rifles exchanged for their land rights, could the Al Saud have run around Arabistan killing off the non-Wahhabis? I think not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fssZMUsp62o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXWIv-sfWss

No they are/were NOT Americans.. but They are from AMRIKA., AMRICA CIA did not supply guns/weapons to Al SAND Bedouin kings., they supplied Casino girls, blonde prostitutes and perks like Air buses and sex n skies to control and black mail KINGDOM OF Al-Sand....

off course west sells some air force useless toys to these kingdom.. http://www.inminds.com/article.php?id=17

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Reply #13 - November 21, 2013, 03:57 AM

Oh, you are right. It was not the Americans. It was the British.

http://www.kanaanonline.org/articles/00361.pdf

"Known in the West as “Ibn Saud”, the Wahhabi Imam Abdulaziz was well loved by his British masters. Many British officials and emissaries in the Arab Gulf area frequently met or interacted with him, and generously supported him with money, weapons, and advisors. Sir Percy Cox, Captain Prideaux, Captain Shakespeare, Gertrude Bell, and Harry Saint John Philby (the so-called “Abdullah”) were among the many British officials
and advisors who constantly surrounded Abdulaziz to help him with everything he needed. With British weapons, money, and advisors, Imam Abdulaziz was able to gradually conquer most of the Arabian Peninsula in a ruthless manner under the banner of Wahhabism to create the Third Saudi-Wahhabi State, known today as Saudi Arabia."

My mistake.

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Reply #14 - November 21, 2013, 05:16 AM

No mention of the failing Ottoman state or its role. I love how people omit history for their agenda.
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