Miracle Baby - Ali Yakubov

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Reply #30 - February 03, 2014, 12:52 PM

Don't you think this would be a topic of serious academic study if it were true?
Scientists would be flocking to this village from all around the world, and they would be publishing in scientific journals.

The same is true for the 'linguistic miracle', and every other islamic 'miracle' too btw. Linguists, scientists, historians, and professors of every other subect would be scrutinising the quran and marvelling at it.
How come the only people interested in these claims are random unqualified Muslims with youtube accounts?

You can't give the benefit of the doubt to every rumour you hear. It is perfectly reasonable to require better evidence than some dubious news report. Skepticism is the rational default position. Do you really think the creator of the universe requires irrationality from his believers?
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Reply #31 - February 03, 2014, 01:06 PM

Quote from: Siunaa Maailmaa on February 03, 2014, 12:29 PM
Of course the second but this bothers me quite much. I have only small bit of embryology and then this Ali Yakubov to get over and then I don't have anything in Islam that I'm thinking: "Hmm, what if it is true?"

: "Hmm, what if it is true?" Yap..Hmm?? Suppose we assume it is true.
Ok it is true, Next question will be then what?
Is Quran is all about Dermatology? geology, biology physiology and astrophysics?
is Quran is all about inquiring in to the field of Science?
Is everything that is there in Quran true?
Is everything that is there is hadith or even in that sahih hadith true?
And what else there in Quran? then you have to go and read Quran There are 38 chapters verse by verse at that link
So you must read Quran Siunaa Maailmaa I have done that close to 4 times(all verses) and more than ten time here and there..

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One reason is that this doesn't really look like any picture of Henna paintings I've found and it doesn't look like any dermatographism I've found either. So that is why I have this small seed of doubt in my mind that doesn't let me liberate myself.

dermatographism .....Dermatographics.. Henna which has some BENZOQUINONES that potentially give Skin rashes to some folks ..Skin diseases .. Allergies ... You need to be expert in all these areas to investigate those rashes on that kid's hand.. And.. and I think those fools who project such skin problems as Miracles are no way close to understanding these subjects.. So they live and die believing some nonsense Siunaa Maailmaa ., That is OK with me as long as they don't fool innocent Muslim folks across the globe and as long as I have freedom to question/expose these fools who project such skin rashes on world wide web as Miracles of Islam.

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Reply #32 - February 03, 2014, 01:39 PM

Quote from: Siunaa Maailmaa on February 03, 2014, 12:29 PM
So that is why I have this small seed of doubt in my mind that doesn't let me liberate myself.

What are the odds? In Dagestan, an isolated and hibernated society, a focal point of Islamic fanaticism and superstition and where the principles of science and reason are obscure and empty terms, a baby is born with holy Islamic scripture written on his limbs. Not Christian or Jewish texts (Bertrand Russell's "evidence against interest"), that would actually be something worth inspecting in an exclusively Islamic society, but no. So predictable, so boring.

I would rather say that it would be extremely odd if these miracles didn't occur in places like these from time to time. It would also be extremely odd if aboriginal civilizations, with absolutely no contact with modern society, suddenly gave birth to a baby with the declaration of Allah's divinity written on his/her limbs. At least it wouldn't be as predictable and foreseeable as an Islamic miracle occurring in an exclusively Islamic society.

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Reply #33 - February 03, 2014, 02:29 PM

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Reply #34 - February 03, 2014, 02:54 PM

So I now analyzed the video carefully.
What I got was:

-Some of the letters seemed to be fading while others were stronger, though the words that were left had something to do with "Allah's greatness" so of course one could say that it is making it even more miraculous
-The baby feels bad when these are about to appear/have appeared
-Fever for about 20minutes after the verses have appeared
-Baby supposedly had CP (cerebral palsy) and ischemia, and was supposedly cured from those
-So apparently this verse was not from the Quran but from hadith:

-These miracles supposedly started when Ali was 2 weeks old
-This is apparently from Quran 7:7 (Al-'A `raf). I'm not fully sure though. It looks like it is misspelled, but are there many different scripts in Arabic? So these don't really seem to fit perfectly:

Since I don't speak Arabic I cannot say if that quote is:
a) 7:7 spelled incorrectly
b) 7:7 spelled with different variation of the Arabic script
c) Some other passage from the Quran spelled correctly

But the ending of the first word (between U-looking last letter with dot on top of it and that letter which looks like man bowing down) seems to be different from the Arabic Quran which is found from quran.com/7. The letters in that baby seem to miss that part which looks like bridge. The second word seems to be even more clear error; I just cannot see how the ending of that word is same than that in the Quran. Arabic speakers, enlighten me.

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Reply #35 - February 04, 2014, 12:43 AM

I do not speak Arabi, but I do want to point out that the Arabic on that baby's leg is not Classical, as it has modernized tics that were added to the language after the prophet's time.
Hadith is not sacred, either. Allah did not say it.
Again, the writing on the baby shows irritation around the lettering. Not really a miracle, for a miracle would surely not bother the child at all.
This poor child.

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