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  • The Kabbalah
     OP - May 20, 2014, 04:54 AM

    So recently I have grown curiosity about it, particularly after reading a certain occult book on it and of course hearing Madonna's obsession about it. So guys what do you think about the Kabbalah? Is there anyone here who has in-depth knowledge about it? The web confuses me to a great extent about whether it is  the real deal or a bunch of mumbo jumbos?  thnkyu.
  • The Kabbalah
     Reply #1 - May 20, 2014, 06:09 AM

    So recently I have grown curiosity about it, particularly after reading a certain occult book on it and of course hearing Madonna's obsession about it. So guys what do you think about the Kabbalah? Is there anyone here who has in-depth knowledge about it? The web confuses me to a great extent about whether it is  the real deal or a bunch of mumbo jumbos?  thnkyu.

    which Kabbalah are you talking about Rubaya  and where did you find that in Quran?  i  mean

    Is it kabbalah in  judaism?
    Is it kabbalah in Islam??
     
    incidentally   in one  form or other form,  this Kabbalah thing  you will find in every religion, they may have different names but the bottom line is same .

    Kabbalah and Jewish Mysticism

    And I can find that in bird and animals  for e.g., I think this  Lyrebird perfected  its technique through Kabbalah ..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjE0Kdfos4Y

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeQjkQpeJwY
     

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • The Kabbalah
     Reply #2 - May 20, 2014, 07:49 AM

    Can you give me a little info on Kabbalah of Islam? I thought it was purely Jewish? By Kabbalah I was particularly referring to its information like how the universe was created, the supernatural beings, etc.
  • The Kabbalah
     Reply #3 - May 20, 2014, 08:43 AM

    Think its just called sufism or mysticism in islam, not kabala.. ??
  • The Kabbalah
     Reply #4 - May 20, 2014, 12:37 PM

    Can you give me a little info on Kabbalah of Islam? I thought it was purely Jewish? By Kabbalah I was particularly referring to its information like how the universe was created, the supernatural beings, etc.

    Ohofffff ., this Kabbalah thing has so many  varieties in Judaism and In Islam, in the end it is very little to do with original scriptures and more to do with individuals., In Islam it goes in to so-called Sufi mode/Sufism.  there too much out there on this subject.. but let me start with uncle wiki Rubaya ..lol ., I  know you pay for your connections  and I don't want you to spend your money reading the zillion silly links i put out in to the posts .. So wiki says

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    Kabbalah (Hebrew: קַבָּלָה‎, literally means  "receiving/tradition"  and different transliterations tend to denote different  traditions., Kabbalah  is an esoteric method, discipline, and school of thought that originated in Judaism and it is often called a Mekubal  

    Kabbalah's definition varies according to the tradition and aims of those following it, from its religious origin as an integral part of Judaism, to its later Christian, New Age, and goes in to Islam in the form of Sufi teachings  It also turns in to Occultist syncretic adaptations. . one must realize here behind all these Kabbalah traditions., there is some guru/preacher/school thought.  

    Kabbalah is a set of esoteric teachings meant to explain the relationship between an unchanging, eternal, and mysterious Ein Sof (no end) and the mortal and finite universe (God's creation). While it is heavily used by some denominations, it is not a religious denomination in itself. It forms the foundations of mystical religious interpretation.

    in short., useless fit for nothing, get nothing from society, give nothing to society and  who go in to caves,  pray nothing, eat what his/her followers give  are the perfect examples of Kabbalah teachers...

    Yes to me it is indeed Mambo-jumbo ., for many others it has some value., I am one of those RASCALS who questions everything.  So Kabbalah and its preachers are not exception to that rule. What all i can give  them is.,   "Kabbalah as an hypothesis" and people must have freedom to explore and inquire about it..  BUT THEY CAN NOT FORCE EVERYONE TO FOLLOW THEIR  KABBALAH.

    And in every step they(kabbalah guys) must use and follow "simple golden rule " in inquiring about this monotheistic mysticism/mysteries of  Kabbalah.  

    and please read this from uncle wiki

    Quote
    Kabbalah is considered by its followers as a necessary part of the study of Torah – the study of Torah (the Tanakh and Rabbinic literature) being an inherent duty of observant Jews.  Kabbalah teaches doctrines that are accepted by some Jews as the true meaning of Judaism while other Jews have rejected these doctrines as heretical and antithetical to Judaism.

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    After the Medieval Kabbalah, and especially after its 16th-century development and synthesis, Kabbalah replaced Jewish philosophy (hakira) as the mainstream traditional Jewish theology,[citation needed] both in scholarly circles and in the popular imagination. With the arrival of modernity, through the influence of haskalah, this has changed among non-Orthodox Jewish denominations, although its 20th-century academic study and cross-denominational spiritual applications (especially through Neo-Hasidism) has reawakened a following beyond Orthodoxy.


    Scholars dispute whether the term "kabbalah" originated with the Jewish philosopher Solomon ibn Gabirol (1021–1058) or with the 13th-century Spanish kabbalist Bahya ben Asher. While other terms have been used in many religious documents from the 2nd century up to the present day, the term "kabbalah" has become the main descriptive of Jewish esoteric knowledge and practices.[citation needed] Jewish mystical literature, which served as the basis for the development of kabbalistic thought, developed through a theological tradition inherent in Judaism from Antiquity, as part of wider Rabbinic literature.

    Its theoretical development can be characterised in alternative schools and successive stages. After the Hebrew Bible experience of prophecy, the first documented schools of specifically mystical theory and method in Judaism are found in the 1st and 2nd centuries, described in the heichalot (supernal "palaces") texts and the earliest existent book on Jewish esotericism, Sefer Yetzirah.

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    Their method, known as Merkabah  (contemplation of the Divine "Chariot") mysticism lasted until the 10th century, where it was subsumed by the Medieval doctrinal emergence of the Kabbalah in southwestern Europe in the 12th and 13th centuries. Its teachings, embodied in the Zohar, became the foundation of later Jewish mysticism, becoming re-interpreted in the early-modern developments of 16th-century Safed in the Galilee, through the new system of Isaac Luria. Lurianic Kabbalah became popularised as a social mysticism for the whole Jewish community through 18th-century Hasidism in eastern Europe, and its new notions of mystical leadership.

    ...........:

    As you can see from wiki writer.,  that original  Kabbalah that is there in  Torah /the Tanakh and Rabbinic literature has been modified/ reinterpreted by these modern Jewish  Kabbalah  gurus...  And same thing goes to different Sufi schools of Islam

    Anyway Rubaya  My question to you is., WHY ARE YOU INTERESTED IN THIS NONSENSE?

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • The Kabbalah
     Reply #5 - May 20, 2014, 01:28 PM

    Please stay away from Kabbala. A far way from it.
    In the end you will sit in a corner somewhere, gently rocking back an forth, pondering why god and dog are each other spelled backwards, surely that's no coincidence, or some other profound question. It just isn't worth the time and risks ( psychosis... ). If you absolutely have to do anything related to mystics then learn some basic meditation technique, whatever Bhuddists do. Zen?
    And while you're at it, also stay away from hippie books like the ones from Castaneda.
  • The Kabbalah
     Reply #6 - May 20, 2014, 02:08 PM

    Please stay away from Kabbala. A far way from it.
    In the end you will sit in a corner somewhere, gently rocking back an forth, pondering why god and dog are each other spelled backwards, surely that's no coincidence, or some other profound question. It just isn't worth the time and risks ( psychosis... ). If you absolutely have to do anything related to mystics then learn some basic meditation technique, whatever Bhuddists do. Zen?
    And while you're at it, also stay away from hippie books like the ones from Castaneda.

     Cheesy Cheesy    you got that right and STRAIGHT dagon., this Kabbala, cave dwelling, sufi dopi,, meditation whatever ..  all that is for those who are over 80., not to the folks who are in their teens and 20s.  

         Make music, sports, arts, college., do something for yourself make lots and lots of money donate to schools  colleges, science, research .. sports  and for the cause you love.,  ...instead of chanting that Kabbala.. babble

    Sing songs and dance But DO YOUR WORK...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p7cQjcOUqk

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWabhnt91Uc

    all that is Kabbala., off course do not forget the GOLDEN RULE..


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • The Kabbalah
     Reply #7 - May 20, 2014, 05:16 PM

    Ohofffff ., this Kabbalah thing has so many  varieties in Judaism and In Islam, in the end it is very little to do with original scriptures and more to do with individuals., In Islam it goes in to so-called Sufi mode/Sufism.  there too much out there on this subject.. but let me start with uncle wiki Rubaya ..lol ., I  know you pay for your connections  and I don't want you to spend your money reading the zillion silly links i put out in to the posts .. So wiki says
    in short., useless fit for nothing, get nothing from society, give nothing to society and  who go in to caves,  pray nothing, eat what his/her followers give  are the perfect examples of Kabbalah teachers...

    Yes to me it is indeed Mambo-jumbo ., for many others it has some value., I am one of those RASCALS who questions everything.  So Kabbalah and its preachers are not exception to that rule. What all i can give  them is.,   "Kabbalah as an hypothesis" and people must have freedom to explore and inquire about it..  BUT THEY CAN NOT FORCE EVERYONE TO FOLLOW THEIR  KABBALAH.

    And in every step they(kabbalah guys) must use and follow "simple golden rule " in inquiring about this monotheistic mysticism/mysteries of  Kabbalah.  

    and please read this from uncle wiki

    Scholars dispute whether the term "kabbalah" originated with the Jewish philosopher Solomon ibn Gabirol (1021–1058) or with the 13th-century Spanish kabbalist Bahya ben Asher. While other terms have been used in many religious documents from the 2nd century up to the present day, the term "kabbalah" has become the main descriptive of Jewish esoteric knowledge and practices.[citation needed] Jewish mystical literature, which served as the basis for the development of kabbalistic thought, developed through a theological tradition inherent in Judaism from Antiquity, as part of wider Rabbinic literature.

    Its theoretical development can be characterised in alternative schools and successive stages. After the Hebrew Bible experience of prophecy, the first documented schools of specifically mystical theory and method in Judaism are found in the 1st and 2nd centuries, described in the heichalot (supernal "palaces") texts and the earliest existent book on Jewish esotericism, Sefer Yetzirah.
    ...........:
    As you can see from wiki writer.,  that original  Kabbalah that is there in  Torah /the Tanakh and Rabbinic literature has been modified/ reinterpreted by these modern Jewish  Kabbalah  gurus...  And same thing goes to different Sufi schools of Islam

    Anyway Rubaya  My question to you is., WHY ARE YOU INTERESTED IN THIS NONSENSE?


    I am interested in theology or study of religion and the occult.
  • The Kabbalah
     Reply #8 - May 20, 2014, 08:39 PM

    I am interested in theology or study of religion and the occult.

    No..noo  Rubaya ., you should say  

    "I am interested in Psychology "
      and would like to do/per-sue  M. S. Psychology with that hope I could understand the mindset/psychological make up of  of bums that spend their life in theology....religion..... the occult and what not "


    may be you should apply to some universities in some other country to do some degree in Psychology

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • The Kabbalah
     Reply #9 - May 21, 2014, 04:06 AM

    Talking about psychology, one of my cousins told me that those who study the subject thinks that 99% of the population has some kind of psychological disorder:). She had studied it in high school and I will be taking it as a general course in my uni. But the subject lacks on what you have described.
  • The Kabbalah
     Reply #10 - May 31, 2014, 07:02 PM

    So recently I have grown curiosity about it, particularly after reading a certain occult book on it and of course hearing Madonna's obsession about it. So guys what do you think about the Kabbalah? Is there anyone here who has in-depth knowledge about it? The web confuses me to a great extent about whether it is  the real deal or a bunch of mumbo jumbos?  thnkyu.


    Kabbalah led me out of Islam, but there
    was a time when I thought I could reconcile
    it with a reading of the Quran, and that kept
    me in Islam for longer than I ought to have been.

    There's a lot of cultish groups out there
    calling themselves Kabbalist. If interested
    in the traditional forms, I'd buy a translation
    of the Zohar or Issac Luria. There is a
    chap called Laitman who has some decent
    videos on the net.

    Kabbalah is pretty different from Sufism as
    I've experienced it. Philosophically it is
    like a mix of Hegel, Freud and Lacan.

    Harold Bloom wrote a great book called
    Kabbalah and Criticism which was helpful
    to me. And Scholem's academic research
    provides a very objective historical summary,
    much better than what you will find on the net:

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0452010071?pc_redir=1401339333&robot_redir=1


    The Divisions of Love, second album by my Cabbalacore band, the Friends of Design, out now:

    https://vimeo.com/110528857
  • The Kabbalah
     Reply #11 - June 01, 2014, 08:36 AM

    Talking about psychology, one of my cousins told me that those who study the subject thinks that 99% of the population has some kind of psychological disorder:). She had studied it in high school and I will be taking it as a general course in my uni. But the subject lacks on what you have described.


    I was on the verge on taking a course on "religious psychology". Had to postpone it though since it wasn't supposed to be part of my degree. I wish I had taken it then and there, I know it would have triggered my apostasy a lot sooner. Anyway, if you want to understand that particular area of psychology, there should be courses specializing in that field. If not, look up course literature (or any literature) to read in your spare time.

    As for general psychology, once you get into it you start seeing "symptoms" in every person you get in contact with. We all fit into one symptom/description or the other, but diagnosing a person is a bit more complex than that Smiley

    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • The Kabbalah
     Reply #12 - June 01, 2014, 10:24 AM

    I'd say 100% of the populus have varying degrees of psychological disorder  Smiley  it's impossible to find a single sane person.. I recognise my own little manerisms, my latest is doing things in 3's - or the universes will descend into chaos and disorder lol   
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