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  • Psychologically damaged
     OP - April 09, 2013, 09:02 PM

    Hey all, not sure where to start... Grew up in a Muslim family,( still consider myself Muslim btw), relatively liberal but still semi practicing. I myself became a cultural Muslim/humanist but still had faith having not studied Islam very deeply at all. Met a girl, and the thought of future came up. She's Catholic. We talked of 'best of both worlds' interfaith marriage as a pipe dream. I then told my parents of my thoughts. They warned me off interfaith marriage using the usual South Asian spiel. Anyway, long story short my girl had been looking into Islam and hastily converted after dawahganda, they told her he rparents were going to hell and that God forbid she be hit by a bus without converting. They also talked of the reward they would get. To be an 'example' I became fervently religious overnight. Started reading a whole host of things focussed on relationships, became consumed by guilt and put a strain on what was a great relationship.


    AFter a while I thought to myself, religion is driving us apart. I started to look at the other side of the coin but remained devout. Found this place which showed me other arguments. I do feel the bigge rpicture of Islam makes perfect sense (prohibition of interest, alcohol, adultery etc) but I felt if I was to give up a large portion of what I enjoy (music mainly) then I need to be sure its true. I researched the scientific miracles stuff and found out the truth. There were a few things that happened during my devout phase that I felt were signs from Allah. Just random coincidences but they play on my mind. Also, the Doomsday prophecies by Muhammad (SAW) such as bedouins competing to build tall buildings etc keep my faith. I am consumed by guilt and fear of Hell though. With the doomsday prophecies some seem eerily accurate.

    There's also the issue of family and my girl. They saw my initial burst of religiosity and subsequent decline. I told them of certain doubts and they feel it's the girl's fault and have pressured me to leave her. I now see her in secret but its hard living a lie. . I keep getting thoughts of being influenced by satanic whisperings, trapped by the dunya, you know the usual. I'm also dreading having a 'veil over my heart'. I'm struggling to see what reality is. There's cultural pressures plus I'm neither here nor there faith wise. Don't know how many of you have been through this but thouht I'd just share.

    For the record, before my religious phase I felt there should be no barriers between people, religion race etc. I feel I was a good person beforehand while not strictly adhering to my religion. I was convinced Islam was true because I'd been born into it. These coincidences or 'signs' strenghtened my faith but I kept asking myself 'what if its all bullshit?' I talked to some Muslim friends about my doubts they advised to speak to scholars but I kinda know what answers I'll get. Sorry if I've rambled but I just thought I'd share how I'm feeling.

    Don't read all those science books bro, you'll just get more confused.

    That's funny. The more science I read, the less confused I get.
  • Psychologically damaged
     Reply #1 - April 09, 2013, 09:26 PM

     parrot

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu1qa8N2ID0

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Psychologically damaged
     Reply #2 - April 09, 2013, 10:56 PM

    Welcome brother, I hope you find this forum helpful.  Smiley
  • Psychologically damaged
     Reply #3 - April 09, 2013, 11:54 PM

    Hello and Welcome. I don't find the bedouin miracle too impressive. Make sure you are not impressed by things based on confirmation bias.
  • Psychologically damaged
     Reply #4 - April 10, 2013, 06:39 PM

    Aw. I went through something very similar, except I was the girl who fell for a Muslim brother and the "friendship" went sour bc of the cultural differences and his strengthening Islam. I still believe in God though and the end time signs.

    The thing is......the people are ruining the religion and becoming really literal.
  • Psychologically damaged
     Reply #5 - April 10, 2013, 06:48 PM

    So you're muslim? ^ And you believe in the day of judgement? Just curious.
  • Psychologically damaged
     Reply #6 - April 10, 2013, 06:50 PM

    man...reading this really tugged at my heart strings. It's not fair that people should go through this. They say Allah is most merciful......yet, when it comes down to it people are scared away from true mercy! Do you really think Allah discriminates against culture? No, humans do. Like I said, I still believe in God BUT I believe the best way to find him is to stop blindly following what everyone else tells you to do and listen to your heart. You have a conscious for a reason and the ability to think and question for a reason.
  • Psychologically damaged
     Reply #7 - April 10, 2013, 06:52 PM

    kutta.....I don't label myself Muslim, Christian or Jew. I'm spiritual, yes, but I refuse to be caught up in the ugly politics. That's all this is.....ugly politics. I do believe in the day of judgement, that all humans beings will have to answer for their actions. ALL humans, not just Christians, Jews and Atheists but all people, even Muslims.

    And I do not believe atheists go to hell Wink
  • Psychologically damaged
     Reply #8 - April 11, 2013, 12:14 AM

    Don't worry become a Muslim or I Will KILL YOU!!!!!!!!

    Seriously have fun here and believe whatever you want.

    Can anyone provide me with a decent challenge?
  • Psychologically damaged
     Reply #9 - April 11, 2013, 01:06 AM

    I want you to take a look at how insignificant Islam is, in relation to the world.
    Despite being the second largest religion.

    https://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/fo0324_religion1200.jpg

    Do you really think practically everyone on earth is going to hell?

    And Hell is only a concept in Islam and Christianity.
    Other religions embrace a circular way of life (reincarnation)
    Versus a linear one.



    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Psychologically damaged
     Reply #10 - April 12, 2013, 12:05 AM

    i believe in reincarnation.
  • Psychologically damaged
     Reply #11 - April 12, 2013, 12:14 AM

    I find it funny though that people here are like RAWR GKJDSNRKGJNKRJNFDF RELIGIOUS, the same way Muslims are like RAWR APOSTATE/JEW/UNBELEIVER weksbdgkjbngfkjn

    hahaha, still Muslim in so many ways.
  • Psychologically damaged
     Reply #12 - April 12, 2013, 12:19 PM

    Hi Jvegas-Welcome

    I am a girl born in to a very strict muslim Indian family. Unlike my family, I could never subscribe to the orthodox interpretations they did and really struggled with their religiosity. However I still considered myself as a liberal progressive Muslim, indulging in all trapping of the dunya.

    After university I met my now Fiancé- also born a catholic. Because at the the time I was still under impression that Islam was the one true religion purely because it was all I had ever known and grown up with and been indoctrinated my entire childhood, I made it clear to be together he would have to convert.  I am ashamed to say that despite being a non practicing Muslim myself, I showed him and directed him to the apologist version of Islam which glossed or spun over the many of the dubious elements of islam I was not even very aware of.  we did lots of reading etc  and stuff together. Like you I tried to be an example and together for about a year I started praying etc, and my fiancé also was going to mosque on a weekly basis and really trying.

    However because of the reading and studying, the ugly bits of Islam became too difficult for me to try to make sense of. Same for my fiancé. However the big realisation was that being a practicing Muslim provided no spiritual fulfilment yet Nd made me miserable, being the kind of Muslim I wanted to be (inclusive, non judgemental, tolerant, egalitarian, modern, liberal and secular) meant I wasn't even considered a Muslim by Islam.

    So  I came clean to my fiancé. He was relieved. We are so happy and stronger than ever- expectations of Islam only brought us down. I understand now that my fiance and i are just good people, thats all we need to be and want to be. No  additional complications required. We certainly do not do a thing that justifies us being burnt for eternity.

    Of course my parents were against the relationship, it was a secret for two and a half years but it made things easier when I told them that he would be converting. I don't regret his conversion because it made things easier for my family-of course they are still not thrilled and don't think it's the right thing but they can make sense of it and accept it at some level.

    Also his conversion and the journey to it and all the reading and trying all made it very clear to the both of us what we want in life and what we actually think about Islam and religion. No need to complicate matters by announcing our apostasy to my parents but I now have a honest, harmonious and healthy relationship with my life partner where our priority is each other, nothing and no one else.

    My advice is if you really love this girl and her you, do right by each other, be proud of what you have. Ignore everyone ad everything else. Try to make things better if you can for your family and friends as much as you feasibly can but do not let it poison or complicate what you have with this girl.

  • Psychologically damaged
     Reply #13 - April 12, 2013, 01:41 PM

    I find it funny though that people here are like RAWR GKJDSNRKGJNKRJNFDF RELIGIOUS, the same way Muslims are like RAWR APOSTATE/JEW/UNBELEIVER weksbdgkjbngfkjn

    hahaha, still Muslim in so many ways.


    That's not true. That's a generalization. I'm just curious as to why you believe in reincarnation when there is no evidence for it. And no, I would never get angry or get all frustrated when i see someone religious. It's as if to say religious people are not human beings, which is not true.
  • Psychologically damaged
     Reply #14 - April 12, 2013, 05:21 PM

    The theory thus far is. Energy cannot be created or destroyed. It just jumps and transfers from one thing to the next. Our bodies move and function on energy and thus when it breaks that energy must go somewhere else. So I believe reincarnation is closer, not necessary accurate to what happens to the body after it breaks and dies. As for the concept of the soul, with one's memories, personality and self-awareness, that cannot be proven after death.

    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Psychologically damaged
     Reply #15 - April 13, 2013, 12:07 AM

    That's not true. That's a generalization. I'm just curious as to why you believe in reincarnation when there is no evidence for it.


    agreed.

    And good, I get annoyed when religious people and non religious people hate each other and get all heated. Like....two sides of the same coin.
  • Psychologically damaged
     Reply #16 - May 02, 2014, 05:54 PM

    Hey all, not sure where to start... Grew up in a Muslim family,( still consider myself Muslim btw), relatively liberal but still semi practicing. I myself became a cultural Muslim/humanist but still had faith having not studied Islam very deeply at all. Met a girl, and the thought of future came up. She's Catholic. We talked of 'best of both worlds' interfaith marriage as a pipe dream. I then told my parents of my thoughts. They warned me off interfaith marriage using the usual South Asian spiel. Anyway, long story short my girl had been looking into Islam and hastily converted after dawahganda, they told her he rparents were going to hell and that God forbid she be hit by a bus without converting. They also talked of the reward they would get. To be an 'example' I became fervently religious overnight. Started reading a whole host of things focussed on relationships, became consumed by guilt and put a strain on what was a great relationship.


    AFter a while I thought to myself, religion is driving us apart. I started to look at the other side of the coin but remained devout. Found this place which showed me other arguments. I do feel the bigge rpicture of Islam makes perfect sense (prohibition of interest, alcohol, adultery etc) but I felt if I was to give up a large portion of what I enjoy (music mainly) then I need to be sure its true. I researched the scientific miracles stuff and found out the truth. There were a few things that happened during my devout phase that I felt were signs from Allah. Just random coincidences but they play on my mind. Also, the Doomsday prophecies by Muhammad (SAW) such as bedouins competing to build tall buildings etc keep my faith. I am consumed by guilt and fear of Hell though. With the doomsday prophecies some seem eerily accurate.

    There's also the issue of family and my girl. They saw my initial burst of religiosity and subsequent decline. I told them of certain doubts and they feel it's the girl's fault and have pressured me to leave her. I now see her in secret but its hard living a lie. . I keep getting thoughts of being influenced by satanic whisperings, trapped by the dunya, you know the usual. I'm also dreading having a 'veil over my heart'. I'm struggling to see what reality is. There's cultural pressures plus I'm neither here nor there faith wise. Don't know how many of you have been through this but thouht I'd just share.

    For the record, before my religious phase I felt there should be no barriers between people, religion race etc. I feel I was a good person beforehand while not strictly adhering to my religion. I was convinced Islam was true because I'd been born into it. These coincidences or 'signs' strenghtened my faith but I kept asking myself 'what if its all bullshit?' I talked to some Muslim friends about my doubts they advised to speak to scholars but I kinda know what answers I'll get. Sorry if I've rambled but I just thought I'd share how I'm feeling.


     omw how did i only read this now, this is exactly what I went and currently still going thru

    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • Psychologically damaged
     Reply #17 - May 02, 2014, 09:05 PM

    Friend, I vaguely feel your pain, as I've gone through the same emotions - except I think I have handled it in an effective manner:

    I too, was seen as super religious, memorized half the Quran of by heart, got engulfed in the religion so deeply and wholeheartedly .... but when I decided to drop it - it wasn't as sudden as switching a light bulb off - it was gradual and unplanned from my side - Ironically it happened through Ramadan (The holy month where the Devils run away from man - some slid through to me by the looks of things though!) - but when the decision was made, equally from my heart and my brain, that this is just religious hearsay/control mechanism - I dropped it.

    Forget about it. Don't dwell on it. Stop thinking about all those verses that SCARE YOU FROM HELL and tell you how BAD you are.... those are very well crafted verses designed to deeply scar and scare you into following blindly. Don't feel guilty either - although your many years of being a Muslim is difficult to just let go in an instant - you have to be tough, strong and powerful to let it pass. Move on.

    You have a life to lead. Freedom to taste. Experiences to feel. People to meet. New food to eat. Places to visit. Your life could be made so great, so prosperous, so happy, free from the shackles of religious laws.

    Be firm, be certain. Islam is a man-made religion like any other. Full stop.

    And I wish you the best of luck.
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