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  • Looking at the future
     OP - July 15, 2014, 04:28 AM

    Hello everyone. So I'm not ex-muslim but I do have some similar experiences that allows to relate to what many others have posted. I'm ethnic Indian born and raised in Singapore who later went on to reject all established religions and imaginary friends..

    In relevance to this forum let me talk about my first encounter with muslims that I still recall from when I was 7 years old in the late 80s. I was new to school having shifted in only my 2nd year of school. Due to my super minority status I would attend Malay language classes in school, majority of Malays in Singapore are Muslim.

    I remember an incident where I was surrounded by these kids who kept asking me who my god was. It was a really confusing question, I had always been thought that all gods were the same just people had different names for them lol, I held that misconception for a long time. I couldn't understand why these guys were so hostile over a name. So I told God or the word used for god in native tongue. I got laughed at and 1 of them started pushing me around. These were 6 or so kids of my age.
    So I pushed back, now it must have been my grandmum's upbringing or something (she was a farmer) but these guys just toppled over when I pushed back. I was clearly tougher than they and they left me alone for then.

    Years later, dissatisfied with my own religion I started searching through others. The Abrahamic God never appealed to me. Why would an almighty being have the capacity to feel jealousy. I tried mostly from influence from many girlfriends but could never overcome this basic objection. Of course other factors like eternal hell and heaven just seemed so unfair to me as well, in comparison reincarnation and karma felt so much fairer.

    Eventually I tuned to history and philosophy and I guess reading about the Middle Ages made me realize religions are more political tools then anything else.

    Leaving my religion was tough, my Dad was extremely orthodox and insisted we observed every religious rite. I had learnt a great deal about my religion by then and was rejecting it based on knowledge but it was difficult for family and our tight community to accept. I became a rebel and a stray lamb so to speak. things got really hard when my dad passed away and as the eldest son I had to conduct the rites. The memory still sends shivers down my spine and a lump in my throat. My dad had passed suddenly and everyone, my mom and siblings were shocked and griefed, I forced myself through the lengthy rites everyone assumed my Dad must have wanted. I was crying through every ritual, all I could see was this blind faith that was imposed on me for so long that I had rebelled against for so long and suffered so much for and here I am pretending doing any of it was somehow giving my dad peace. Of course everyone assumed I was mourning my dad.

    Anyhow.. back to the reason I am on this forum. I am quite concerned about fundamental Islam and its rise and how so much of the globe's population is forced to support it. I was hoping I could get some answers on this forum on how to get these populations to stop supporting the parts of their religion that allow these things.
    However, I have already found my answer.. from reading posts here. If a majority of Muslim countries no longer persecuted their citizens for changing or abandoning religion that political Islam would dissapear within a matter of generation. How to get these countries to honor the Universal Declaration of Human Rights however and allow true freedom of religion is another matter altogether.
  • Looking at the future
     Reply #1 - July 15, 2014, 06:56 AM

    Welcome Beyaawn Smiley. Here have a parrot parrot.
  • Looking at the future
     Reply #2 - July 15, 2014, 07:25 AM

    Anyhow.. back to the reason I am on this forum. I am quite concerned about fundamental Islam and its rise and how so much of the globe's population is forced to support it. I was hoping I could get some answers on this forum on how to get these populations to stop supporting the parts of their religion that allow these things.
    However, I have already found my answer.. from reading posts here. If a majority of Muslim countries no longer persecuted their citizens for changing or abandoning religion that political Islam would dissapear within a matter of generation. How to get these countries to honor the Universal Declaration of Human Rights however and allow true freedom of religion is another matter altogether.

    First and foremost, welcome aboard.
    Secondly, I do agree, apostasy has more than one issue; regardless of what actually happens when people die, Islam gives that hope of another eternal life; ironically it is one where people supposedly do what they couldn't in the lifetime. The mortality of one's life(what if I become an atheist and get hit by a bus 2 minutes later?), along with the paradox Mohamed has set forth about how the more people stray from Islam and the more people become apostates(even though you shouldn't be able to leave Islam but YoloLogic) the closer Judgement day is, and ironically enough, it is supposed to be when Muslims will finally cleanse the world and the trees will speak "LOOK O NOBLE AND PURE MUSLIM! THERE IS A JEW BEHIND ME! KILL HIM!"; that added to the apostasy punishment seems to have made it quite a pinch to leave Islam, and all that do it are either secretive about it, or just disappear, resulting in apostasy numbers seeming significantly less than they actually are.
    Lastly, regarding fundamentalist Islam, I think it will take itself down along with all of Islam. As for its assassin, that will be science. I do agree with the people who believe Muslims have to be fundamentalists, as that what Islam calls for, if you completely ignore what is said in the Qur'an, then why are you even Muslim? I think the attempted westernization of Islam is what's forcing it onto the current world, if you argue with anyone about something they would tell you to go read the Qur'an; if they do, tell them they should first. Muslims nowadays don't even understand what's said in the Qur'an, but are instead fully convinced that Islam is a peaceful religious that's fair to all; even though all you hear people recite in the Qur'an is about how people will burn in hell.

    TL;DR People are afraid; they fear the chance of mortality and miss their loved ones, and are thus willing to spend all their lives trying to obtain an immortality which they can never have. People are confused; the Qur'an had damned itself in so many ways, but then some idiotic fanatics decided to base the whole language off of it, so now whenever something is proven wrong, it isn't that the Qur'an was wrong, it's that we misunderstood it.

    أشهد أن لا إله
  • Looking at the future
     Reply #3 - July 15, 2014, 07:25 AM

    Welcome to the exmuslims forum, beyaawn.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Looking at the future
     Reply #4 - July 15, 2014, 11:16 AM

    Welcome. parrot

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Looking at the future
     Reply #5 - July 15, 2014, 11:55 AM

    Welcome, Beyaawn.  parrot

    The future is full of thrilling possibilities.
  • Looking at the future
     Reply #6 - July 15, 2014, 12:09 PM

    The Abrahamic God never appealed to me.


    You mean a cruel, sadistic, jealous, vengeful, tyrant doesn't appeal to you?  I can't think why?

    Welcome Smiley
  • Looking at the future
     Reply #7 - July 16, 2014, 03:09 PM

    TL;DR People are afraid; they fear the chance of mortality and miss their loved ones, and are thus willing to spend all their lives trying to obtain an immortality which they can never have. People are confused; the Qur'an had damned itself in so many ways, but then some idiotic fanatics decided to base the whole language off of it, so now whenever something is proven wrong, it isn't that the Qur'an was wrong, it's that we misunderstood it.


    Thanks much for your points. Indeed the ego is so very involved in the clinging on of religion. People who have come to expect an afterlife that lasts and eternity cannot accept their persona's are temporary. Since becoming atheist, my ego is something I work against everyday so I completely get it. However instead of directly attacking the possibility of an almighty, perhaps another approach could be to force the Muslim world to demonize other religions less.
    At the very least it would encourage some semblance of respect towards other religions.

    The other possibility on the horizon is alternative energy. China has been spending more and more every year and even overtook the US in 2012 (I'm not allowed to post the link but it's a PEW report for expenditure in 2012.)

    Affordable, safe, viable clean energy( non-oil) would deprive the Middle East from their chief source of funds and force them to rely more on exports and services. They'll be forced to educate their populace better especially women or basically descend into poverty and probably then be at the receiving end of yearly handouts from the world bank while they try to fix their economies. Unfortunately, the UN and donor countries don't currently do enough to force receiving countries to adhere to the UN declaration of Human Rights and they are even less enthusiastic where religion is involved.
    Pakistan is a prime example, guzlling trillions in US aid but honor killings and minority persecution are par the course.
  • Looking at the future
     Reply #8 - July 16, 2014, 03:13 PM

    Oh and thanks everyone else for the welcome.
  • Looking at the future
     Reply #9 - July 19, 2014, 11:17 PM

    Welcome to the forum beyaawn, have a rabbit!  bunny

    You are right to think that your story has a lot of parallels with many of our own here. I'm glad you found this forum and hope you enjoy the conversation!  Afro

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
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