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 Topic: Laïcité

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  • Laïcité
     OP - January 09, 2015, 11:14 PM
    What do you think of France's strict secularism? Does it go too far? Does it not go far enough?

    I've spent the whole day trying to explain to a friend why it does not discriminate against Muslims, and that Catholicism shed the same tears and sang the same tune as Muslims are at the moment. But he just doesn't seem to see that side of the argument. He says that simply because Muslims are "most affected" it must, by default, be anti-Muslim.

     
  • Laïcité
     Reply #1 - January 13, 2015, 04:07 PM
    Well, it was developed at a time when Islam wasn't on the radar in France, and the Catholic church was the big enemy of freedom.

    Now France has a lot of Muslims, Islam gets the same treatment.
    Free speech is the source of most other freedoms
  • Laïcité, a secular Israel
     Reply #2 - January 13, 2015, 05:02 PM
    JE SUIS CHARLIE, JE SUIS JUIF, J'ÉTAIS MUSULMAIN.
    Don't let Netenyahu seize the agenda.
    A SECULAR ISRAEL: Israel and Palestine would work towards a "one-state" solution by slow confidence-building measures. A two-state proposal would tend towards the recurrent conflicts of Pakistan- India. The secular state would guarantee security for any community asking for it (atheists, Jews, Arab Muslims, Armenian Christians …) but maintain a strict separation between religion and state (cf the French constitution). Government would forbid religious symbols in parliament and court, classify Jerusalem sites as museum areas (cf Ataturk & Hagia Sofia), allow multiple holy days. "The land given by God to the Jews" would be redefined or disallowed as a policy objective.
    The achievement of trustworthy police force is essential to peace-building. See the police force of Northern Ireland.  Internal security would be enforced by police with parallel institutions at first. Officers would have baccalaureate (i.e. A-level) qualifications in police procedures, good command of Hebrew, Arabic and English and proficiency in "history of ideas" (see Grayling): this would include Greek philosophy, the three monotheisms, plus some science-based ethics, e.g. evolutionary theory and cosmology. Other ranks of police would show lower proficiency. Training within a specific religion would be allowed only out of school and within a religious establishment. Salaries and scrutiny would reduce the possibilities of bribery. Promotion would be demonstrated record of non-partisan application of law. The Israel-Palestine parallel police forces would show these proficiencies and  have equal opportunities recruitment. 
     
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