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 Topic: Kurds Clash with Anjem Choudhury's Islamic Road Show

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  • Kurds Clash with Anjem Choudhury's Islamic Road Show
     OP - March 22, 2015, 11:47 PM

    In Wood Green yesterday.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTNtjOeycCA

    http://www.haringeyindependent.co.uk/news/11872146.VIDEO__Police_and_demonstrators_clash_in_high_street__mini_riot_/
  • Kurds Clash with Anjem Choudhury's Islamic Road Show
     Reply #1 - March 22, 2015, 11:49 PM

    Absolutely LOVE the commentary by the kids filming it from the roof.

    "Why's that girl involved?"

    "She's a Slag!"

    "I'm freezing"

    "Let's go down"

    "No I don't want to get killed."

  • Kurds Clash with Anjem Choudhury's Islamic Road Show
     Reply #2 - March 23, 2015, 12:00 AM

    Quote
    Shoppers looked on as several police cars and a riot van arrived on scene, pushing the Kurdish community back down the high street away from The Mall, while men and women fled from the roadshow stand.


    I'm sorry but why were Anjem and his ilk allowed to stay and not the Kurds?
  • Kurds Clash with Anjem Choudhury's Islamic Road Show
     Reply #3 - March 23, 2015, 12:00 AM

    "The Islamic Roadshow," seems to be Anjem's latest incarnation.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gnimwl0gD_M

  • Kurds Clash with Anjem Choudhury's Islamic Road Show
     Reply #4 - March 23, 2015, 12:04 AM

    I know this is probably going to sound really bad but I have got to the point of wanting Anjem and his ilk deposited in IS territory. I can't truly say I view them as true Brits and definitely are not true renaissance, enlightenment secularists. I think it should be perfectly legal to make stateless people who have made a pledge against their country, and who have shunned the principles of that country.
  • Kurds Clash with Anjem Choudhury's Islamic Road Show
     Reply #5 - March 23, 2015, 12:05 AM

    We are too soft!
  • Kurds Clash with Anjem Choudhury's Islamic Road Show
     Reply #6 - March 23, 2015, 12:06 AM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF-bHnK9pOk
  • Kurds Clash with Anjem Choudhury's Islamic Road Show
     Reply #7 - March 23, 2015, 12:09 AM

    I know this is probably going to sound really bad but I have got to the point of wanting Anjem and his ilk deposited in IS territory.


    If he had an ounce of sincerity & integrity he would have joined them over there long ago. Instead he just talks the talk that leads kids to walk the walk.
  • Kurds Clash with Anjem Choudhury's Islamic Road Show
     Reply #8 - March 23, 2015, 12:09 AM

    Yup, deport them! Strip citizenship! Do it in high enough numbers in a concerted effort across Europe so the courts don't bother! Could not care less!
  • Kurds Clash with Anjem Choudhury's Islamic Road Show
     Reply #9 - March 23, 2015, 12:10 AM

    If he had an ounce of sincerity & integrity and he would have joined them over there long ago. Instead he sends young boys and girls over there and then claims he had nothing to do with it.


    Yup, asshole!
  • Kurds Clash with Anjem Choudhury's Islamic Road Show
     Reply #10 - March 23, 2015, 12:13 AM

    Yup, deport them! Strip citizenship! Do it in high enough numbers in a concerted effort across Europe so the courts don't bother! Could not care less!


    Who do you mean by "them"?

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Kurds Clash with Anjem Choudhury's Islamic Road Show
     Reply #11 - March 23, 2015, 12:17 AM

    Anjem and his ilk, they have de facto given up their rights to their passports as they have not held up the responsibilities that entails.
  • Kurds Clash with Anjem Choudhury's Islamic Road Show
     Reply #12 - March 23, 2015, 12:23 AM

    Anjem and his ilk is a very small group of people, so I don't know how that squares with deporting people in large numbers.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Kurds Clash with Anjem Choudhury's Islamic Road Show
     Reply #13 - March 23, 2015, 12:29 AM

    Fair comment.

    Just have got to the point where for aged 16+ people, especially convert Islamists, I have very little sympathy with them and don't feel particularly concerned about what happens to them. I view it as unfortunate in some of the very young but also have the voice of my grandfather going through my head "its their funeral". Might seem callous but meh!
  • Kurds Clash with Anjem Choudhury's Islamic Road Show
     Reply #14 - March 23, 2015, 12:36 AM

    I don't feel any sympathy with them at all, but there's another angle to that.  Anjem Choudray, along with many of his ilk, was born and bred in Britain, educated in Britain, allowed to behave the way he does by Britain.

    He is your country's problem, so to deport him to an already troubled part of the world and add to their problems is hardly fair.  If he's that bad, he should be arrested in Britain and dealt with by the country who bred him.  Sorry if that sounds harsh, but you have to take responsibility for the extremists in your own backyard and not deport them.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Kurds Clash with Anjem Choudhury's Islamic Road Show
     Reply #15 - March 23, 2015, 12:47 AM

    Will have a think about that and respond back.

    I still think that if a person declares themselves a non-member of a country and assign allegiance to other countries or even groups like IS that they should have many of their rights capped/removed as they haven't held up their responsibilities side of the bargain.
  • Kurds Clash with Anjem Choudhury's Islamic Road Show
     Reply #16 - March 23, 2015, 12:50 AM

    Also I think I missed out the part where effectively perhaps they should be effectively 'held' in IS territory, and not allowed back in order to be dealt with!
  • Kurds Clash with Anjem Choudhury's Islamic Road Show
     Reply #17 - March 23, 2015, 12:56 AM

    Again, I don't mean to sound harsh, but you're basically arguing for the right to dump your rubbish in your neighbour's garden. 

    Anjem Choudray and his ilk are British born and bred, and its up to Britain to deal with them.  Dumping them in IS held territory when the indigenous populations of those places are desparate to throw off IS would not be fair at all.  You would only be making their lives worse, just because you can't deal with a few hundred or so extremists. 

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Kurds Clash with Anjem Choudhury's Islamic Road Show
     Reply #18 - March 23, 2015, 12:58 AM

    I know it has issues, I need more thinking about it to perfect em!
  • Kurds Clash with Anjem Choudhury's Islamic Road Show
     Reply #19 - March 23, 2015, 01:00 AM

    I see many Kurds praising the founder and leader of the PKK Abdullah Ocalan who is atheist, the constitution of the Rojava cantons gives equal rights to all.

    Are the Kurds the only people in that area who tolerate atheists and in the case of Ocalan even praise them, are there any other atheists in the Islamic world who are praised by muslims?

    Just about everything I read says the Kurds are majority sunni muslims,Harun Yahya says they are communist atheists as do some Chehens who have gone there to teach religion to the Kurds and save them from godless communism.
    I don't see many hijabs with YPJ fighters, from what I can find there has been no census on Kurds religion for over 30 years, the Kurds are persecuted in many places by sunni and shia Islam.
    What are the views on Kurdish religious demographics from ex muslims here,are they muslims who don't take Islam literally or is atheism growing there?

    Why are the Kurds hated and persecuted, is it because they don't appear to take Islam as seriously as other muslims?



  • Kurds Clash with Anjem Choudhury's Islamic Road Show
     Reply #20 - March 23, 2015, 01:24 AM

    Lily, as I said in this thread, you either champion democracy and free speech or you don't. Free speech doesn't exist if only people who don't anger you can voice an opinion.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Kurds Clash with Anjem Choudhury's Islamic Road Show
     Reply #21 - March 23, 2015, 01:34 AM

    I know. That wasn't my point though. In my view Anjem has removed his-self from political discourse in the UK by declaring himself non-British. He hasn't uphelf his side of the bargain, with rights (free speech) comes responsibilities (integration and not separating yourself off by declaring yourself non-British). Idealistic I know.
  • Kurds Clash with Anjem Choudhury's Islamic Road Show
     Reply #22 - March 23, 2015, 01:46 AM

    It is the point though.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Kurds Clash with Anjem Choudhury's Islamic Road Show
     Reply #23 - March 23, 2015, 02:44 AM

    I'm with Cheetah and Quod Sum Eris on this. He may be a tosser but he's the UK's tosser and the UK's problem. There are plenty of other obnoxious people expressing their views in the UK - look at the EDL types - but you can't treat one bunch of obnoxious people differently (e.g. deport Choudhury) to another bunch just 'cos of their ethnicity or that would make us no better than they are.

    I must admit though - with a choice of Islamic states to choose from these days - including IS actively looking for cannon-fodder citizens - I would want to ask the Islamic Roadshow guys why they aren't migrating out there to live the dream  Smiley.
  • Kurds Clash with Anjem Choudhury's Islamic Road Show
     Reply #24 - March 23, 2015, 02:49 AM

    What are the views on Kurdish religious demographics from ex muslims here...


    I can only speak from my experience with Kurds here in the UK and say that I know many religious Kurds. We had a fair number at Islamia School.

    Again just anecdotal but I remember one Kurdish lad beat up someone who simply looked at his female cousin. Apart from this startling outburst of violence the Kurdish lad was a model pupil and generally well behaved,  polite and respectful.

    But I have noticed that many Kurds don't seem very religious - though I wouldn't say atheist. Just a less strict view of islam. More cliquish and tribalistic.

    But I have always found them to be very nice people and got on with them very well.

    Interesting factoid: Salahudin (Saladin) was a Kurd.
  • Kurds Clash with Anjem Choudhury's Islamic Road Show
     Reply #25 - March 23, 2015, 02:56 AM

    I see many Kurds praising the founder and leader of the PKK Abdullah Ocalan who is atheist, the constitution of the Rojava cantons gives equal rights to all.

    Are the Kurds the only people in that area who tolerate atheists and in the case of Ocalan even praise them, are there any other atheists in the Islamic world who are praised by muslims?

    Just about everything I read says the Kurds are majority sunni muslims,Harun Yahya says they are communist atheists as do some Chehens who have gone there to teach religion to the Kurds and save them from godless communism.
    I don't see many hijabs with YPJ fighters, from what I can find there has been no census on Kurds religion for over 30 years, the Kurds are persecuted in many places by sunni and shia Islam.
    What are the views on Kurdish religious demographics from ex muslims here,are they muslims who don't take Islam literally or is atheism growing there?

    Why are the Kurds hated and persecuted, is it because they don't appear to take Islam as seriously as other muslims?






    The Kurds are overall, in a geographically desirable yet hard to reach place. The Sunnis persecuted them because they wanted their land. The Shia forcibly converted them. The Turks denied them any sort of cultural identity at all.  There have traditionally been Yezdi, Christian, Jewish, Muslim of all types in Kurdistan. They have a strong cultural identity, and religion is second. The only effective champions of Kurdish rights since the president of Kurdistan was hung have been Socialist or Communist, politically. This is true. Many Kurds do take Islam very seriously, but I would say less Muslim Kurds believe in implementing Shariah than you would expect, because they know what it is like to live under it in Iran. Because the region of Kurdistan is mountainous, the borders have been porous, and Kurds hop them all the time and communicate readily with each other. They know which country under which sort of government is better to live in, and why. They are very regime savvy, and would not welcome any religious or non religious dictatorship, unless it was under their own beloved party leader (whoever that might be, and there are so many, that it would never fly). I do not know why they would be hated. It seems a prejudice, as they are no different from any other population, save suffering more persecution in their homeland than most populations do.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Kurds Clash with Anjem Choudhury's Islamic Road Show
     Reply #26 - March 23, 2015, 02:58 AM

    I can only speak from my experience with Kurds here in the UK and say that I know many religious Kurds. We had a fair number at Islamia School.

    Again just anecdotal but I remember one Kurdish lad beat up someone who simply looked at his female cousin. Apart from this startling outburst of violence the Kurdish lad was a model pupil and generally well behaved,  polite and respectful.
     


    Yes, honor is a huge deal with many Kurds. I hope she did not get into any trouble for it.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Kurds Clash with Anjem Choudhury's Islamic Road Show
     Reply #27 - March 23, 2015, 11:02 AM

    More cliquish and tribalistic.

    Which is arguably a bigger problem than religion.
  • Kurds Clash with Anjem Choudhury's Islamic Road Show
     Reply #28 - March 23, 2015, 11:11 AM

    Yes, honor is a huge deal with many Kurds. I hope she did not get into any trouble for it.


    Well Kurds or non-curds.. Muslims or non-Muslims., I often suggest "HOW A MALE SPECIES should protect the honor HIS HONOR  who may have been  related to women folks"  

    A simpler way is .. "The male species should  jump in front of running train from a bridge or kill himself by any other way"    that will save his honor forever.

    There are million other ways of helping women folks from a troubled situation/troubled life instead of  beating/killing her in the name of FUCKING HONOR.  These rogues should DIE THEMSELVES TO SAVE THEIR HONOR..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrLuYF47xSI

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
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