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OP - January 10, 2016, 06:25 PM

http://m.clarionproject.org/analysis/hassan-radwan-faith-faithless-and-back-again
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Reply #1 - January 11, 2016, 12:34 AM

Clarion project...sounds like a badly run intelligence operation
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Reply #2 - January 11, 2016, 12:45 AM

Quote from: Skywalker on January 11, 2016, 12:34 AM
Clarion project...sounds like a badly run intelligence operation

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Notable individuals serving on the Project's advisory board

Raheel Raza,a Muslim Canadian journalist, author, public speaker, media consultant, anti-racism activist, and interfaith discussion leader

Dr. Elham Manea, an associate professor of political science at the University of Zurich

Zuhdi Jasser, founder and chairman of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy (AIFD)

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Reply #3 - January 11, 2016, 01:10 AM
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Reply #4 - January 11, 2016, 03:43 PM

Ah, Hassan. You make me think, man.

Just as I’d fooled myself into concluding I’d leave all this stuff behind me and be better off for it…
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Reply #5 - January 11, 2016, 04:02 PM

Don't think HM, it doesn't help. I spent my life thinking and all it did was make me more confused.
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Reply #6 - January 11, 2016, 04:07 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDW6vkuqGLg
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Reply #7 - January 11, 2016, 04:23 PM

Hassan, do you hope to see your version of Islam eventually supplant the current versions (the Quran is infallible, Muhammad is an example for all times)? Or do you see it merely as a safe haven for those who want to remain culturally Muslim after giving up central aspects of the faith and perhaps retain a sense of spirituality?

Do you foresee any problems with mainstream Muslims accepting what you're proposing as a robust faith, when it lacks the same absolute authority of an infallible text?

"I moreover believe that any religion that has anything in it that shocks the mind of a child, cannot be a true system."
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Reply #8 - January 11, 2016, 04:33 PM

If I may ask you a “roohi” question, as inappropriate as that may be. "Wa yas’aloonaka ‘anir-roohi qulir-roohu min amri rabbi wa maa uteetum min al ‘ilmi illa qaleela.”

Have you found yourself to be more content with this position you’ve taken? Do you find yourself to be more at ease than when you’d first discovered that you did not believe in what you had, up until that point, called “Islam” and embarked upon your own journey of self-discovery? Do you find yourself inhibiting that journey of self-discovery now or are you comfortable “submitting,” as it were, to this idea?
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Reply #9 - January 12, 2016, 03:17 PM

Hmm.. Let me put my legs in different shoes and answer the question as I know that chubby guy for a long time..
Quote from: justperusing on January 11, 2016, 04:23 PM
Hassan, do you hope to see your version of Islam eventually supplant the current versions (the Quran is infallible, Muhammad is an example for all times)?

Nope.........

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Or do you see it merely as a safe haven for those who want to remain culturally Muslim after giving up central aspects of the faith and perhaps retain a sense of spirituality?

Yesssssssss

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Do you foresee any problems with mainstream Muslims accepting what you're proposing as a robust faith, when it lacks the same absolute authority of an infallible text?

Don't care..

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Reply #10 - January 12, 2016, 03:22 PM

Hmm Similar questions from HM
Quote from: happymurtad on January 11, 2016, 04:33 PM

Have you found yourself to be more content with this position you’ve taken?

No.. it is just for present times..
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Do you find yourself to be more at ease than when you’d first discovered that you did not believe in what you had, up until that point, called “Islam” and embarked upon your own journey of self-discovery?

Yessss.

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Do you find yourself inhibiting that journey of self-discovery now or are you comfortable “submitting,” as it were, to this idea?

NOPE.. not comfortable...... nothing will inhibit my journey ... quite flexible to move on from where I am now..

Now let me catch the rocks that may come my way because of the above posts

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Reply #11 - January 16, 2016, 07:04 PM

Yeezy those answers are actually pretty accurate.

I'm not looking to replace Islam. Just open up the door to reason over revelation while allowing people their right to spiritual comfort from the faith they've always known.

As Yeezy says I don't care about mainstream.

HM yes I am more content, peaceful within myself and comfortable, but not because I've reached a final resting place, but only because I feel happy doing something positive and good for others as well as for myself, but I am only at another watering hole on a long journey, that may or may not end when I've shuffled off this mortal coil.
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Reply #12 - January 16, 2016, 10:11 PM

Just read this, you are making waves. Apparently you didn't read the "whole" Quran. The article pretty much hammers home the failure of infallible concept by allowing interpretation to dictate what is correct or not. If interpretation is required and often argued against other interpretations then it can not be infallible. The argument is self-refuting since one is subjectively picking what interpretation they support. Interpretation itself contradicts the infallible concept.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/altmuslim/2016/01/the-value-of-interpretation-why-declaring-the-quran-to-be-fallible-is-wrong/
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Reply #13 - January 17, 2016, 11:45 AM

Hassan always
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Reply #14 - January 17, 2016, 02:40 PM

1700 members in such a short time. That's quite impressive.
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Reply #15 - January 20, 2016, 08:06 PM

Acknowledging that the Quran is not infallible, is acknowledging that you are not following the one true religion. To many muslims its not about reaching out to the unknown, its about reaching out to the known. Because they don't believe Islam to be true, they know with 110% certainity that the religion they were born into, is the one true religion. Such "knowledge" is perilous, because it has direct connections to the religious zealotry we unforntunately see in too many muslims.

And its the very zealotry which lays the foundation for the maltreatment of those whose beliefs differs to yours. The muslim masses in too many muslim majority countries continue to maltreat religious minorties, and all our attention is on IS, who just happen to be the tip of the ice berg. If we want to curb violent extremism, we need to extingiush religious zealotry first.

Quote from: bogart on January 16, 2016, 10:11 PM
Interpretation itself contradicts the infallible concept.

Precisely. The very fact that the eternal words of an all knowing god have to be contextualized and not be read literally, otherwise they are prone to causing havoc, proves without a shadow of doubt that the Quran is not infallible. Surely an all knowing god would be able to do better than this?

In that case Hassan's position is much more logical, you admit that the Quran is inspired by god, because lets admit that many of the spiritual teachings in holy books can be inspiring for spiritual and religious people, but its not infallible, because it also has many nasty bits, which are directly inspiring people to commit atrocities. Saying those bits are taken out of context, is nothing but a cop out, and acknowledgement of your all knowing god not really knowing what he was doing while revealing the Quran. Keep the good bits, get rid of the nasty ones.
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Reply #16 - February 10, 2016, 12:59 PM

Quote from: justperusing on January 11, 2016, 04:23 PM
Hassan, do you hope to see your version of Islam eventually supplant the current versions ................

to do that Hassan needs a ministry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUpUEJxO_PQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYyCbP47OxU

and support of China..

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