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  • 'Muslim Suburb' Proposal in Montreal causes uproar
     OP - November 16, 2016, 08:58 PM

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    MONTREAL – Nabil Warda says he just wants to make it easier for Muslims who believe that paying interest is a sin to buy a house. So last month he had an email sent to members of a suburban Montreal mosque to gauge interest in a housing project with a halal financing arrangement that would skirt the need to pay interest on a conventional mortgage.

    Radio-Canada broke news of the “Muslim housing project” planned for Brossard Monday and, within 24 hours, the three main parties in the National Assembly had denounced it.

    Premier Philippe Couillard, speaking Tuesday in Morocco, where he is attending the United Nations climate conference, worried non-Muslims would face discrimination.

    “Discrimination works in both directions, and so does inclusion; we are in favour of mixed housing for cultural communities and religious groups,” Couillard said.

    The proposal to build up to 80 homes became a hot issue in the legislature, where members unanimously adopted a motion Tuesday directing the Minister of Municipal Affairs to inform municipalities that “no real-estate development can be based on religious or ethnic segregation.”


    Coalition Avenir Québec leader François Legault, whose party is proposing a values test for all immigrants, described the proposal as an affront to Quebec values.
    At a time when restricting religious attire is a recurring theme in Quebec political debate and when some municipalities have blocked proposals for new mosques, the proposed housing project could be seen as a defensive gesture.

    But Warda said that is not the case.

    “I didn’t hear people say, ‘OK, we have to go and defend ourselves against these nasty Québécois by going and living alone.’ That is not at all my motivation,” he said in an interview.

    What he has heard are people who have been renting for 30 years and wish they had something to show for all the money. Although views differ about what Shariah law dictates for Muslims living in a society where mortgages are the norm, many refuse to take out loans that charge interest.

    A lot of Muslims have problems with the idea of interest, which in Arabic is called riba,” Warda said. “That means if you pay more than you were loaned, you are doing something that is very, very, very, very bad from the Muslim point of view.”

    He said interest can be circumvented thorough an arrangement in which a house is bought by the bank and then the resident buys it back over time, paying a premium that is considered the bank’s profit, and not interest.


    Let us call it a technicality, for me as an accountant, but for the believers it is not a technicality,” Warda said. Similar arrangements have been used at Muslim housing developments in Ontario and Alberta.

    We are here in Canada. We came of our own will. Our intention was not to come to isolate ourselves from society
    He said non-Muslims would be welcome to move into his project of prefabricated homes, but they would have to share the values of their Muslim neighbours.

    “You don’t drive drunk on the street. If you want to drink alcohol, you drink it in your house,” he said. Women could choose whether to wear the headscarf but they could not walk around in a halter-top and shorts.

    There must be some modesty in the way you dress. We don’t want women living there going half-naked down the streets. We don’t like that,” he said. “If they want to do that, let them go and live in downtown Montreal.

    He has scheduled a meeting Friday evening at the Brossard mosque, the Islamic Community Centre of South Shore, to see if there are enough takers. He said he needs a critical mass of 50 potential buyers before the land can be purchased.

    But he has heard opposition closer to home, including from the imam of the Brossard mosque, Foudil Selmoune.

    “We are here in Canada. We came of our own will,” Selmoune said in an interview. “Our intention was not to come to isolate ourselves from society or from the community.” He said it would be more constructive for Warda to use his financing proposal to help Muslims buy existing homes rather than creating a Muslim neighbourhood.

    The social climate in Quebec can be difficult for Muslims, Selmoune acknowledged.

    “It doesn’t mean we have to hide ourselves and get away from the challenges we are going through,” he said. “We have to face them.”

    http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/plan-for-muslim-only-suburb-in-montreal-is-discrimination-quebec-premier-says
  • 'Muslim Suburb' Proposal in Montreal causes uproar
     Reply #1 - November 17, 2016, 02:09 AM

    I swear I have heard rumors of places like this in the US. I remember Texas for certain. I don't recall it ever making it into mainstream news.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • 'Muslim Suburb' Proposal in Montreal causes uproar
     Reply #2 - November 17, 2016, 02:13 PM

    Yes, the uproar usually dies down in due course.  A similar thing happened a couple of years ago north of Toronto.  It has since been built.

    I was curious about this riba thing.  How do muslims invest their cash in muslim countries ?  Don't they use banks and get some interest or is it a case of semantics and they call it something else ?  A 'technicality' as the developer in this case calls it ?
  • 'Muslim Suburb' Proposal in Montreal causes uproar
     Reply #3 - November 18, 2016, 06:58 AM

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    “There must be some modesty in the way you dress. We don’t want women living there going half-naked down the streets. We don’t like that,” he said. “If they want to do that, let them go and live in downtown Montreal.”


    This should go both ways.

    Why don't we have a ban on any kind of muslim garbs on some streets, if they want to wear hijab or whatever then they can go back to where they came from and live there.

    Bigots.
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