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 Topic: Obama's '04 Interview on Faith

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  • Obama's '04 Interview on Faith
     OP - November 14, 2008, 06:08 PM

    FALSANI:
    What do you believe?

    OBAMA:
    I am a Christian.

    So, I have a deep faith. So I draw from the Christian faith.

    On the other hand, I was born in Hawaii where obviously there are a lot of Eastern influences.

    I lived in Indonesia, the largest Muslim country in the world, between the ages of six and 10.

    My father was from Kenya, and although he was probably most accurately labeled an agnostic, his father was Muslim.

    And I'd say, probably, intellectually I've drawn as much from Judaism as any other faith.

    (A patron stops and says, "Congratulations," shakes his hand. "Thank you very much. I appreciate that. Thank you.")

    So, I'm rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people. That there are values that transcend race or culture, that move us forward, and there's an obligation for all of us individually as well as collectively to take responsibility to make those values lived.

    And so, part of my project in life was probably to spend the first 40 years of my life figuring out what I did believe - I'm 42 now - and it's not that I had it all completely worked out, but I'm spending a lot of time now trying to apply what I believe and trying to live up to those values.


    FALSANI:
    Have you always been a Christian?



    OBAMA:
    I was raised more by my mother and my mother was Christian.

    FALSANI:
    Any particular flavor?

    OBAMA:
    No.

    My grandparents who were from small towns in Kansas. My grandmother was Methodist. My grandfather was Baptist. This was at a time when I think the Methodists felt slightly superior to the Baptists. And by the time I was born, they were, I think, my grandparents had joined a Universalist church.

    So, my mother, who I think had as much influence on my values as anybody, was not someone who wore her religion on her sleeve. We'd go to church for Easter. She wasn't a church lady.

    As I said, we moved to Indonesia. She remarried an Indonesian who wasn't particularly, he wasn't a practicing Muslim. I went to a Catholic school in a Muslim country. So I was studying the Bible and catechisms by day, and at night you'd hear the prayer call.

    So I don't think as a child we were, or I had a structured religious education. But my mother was deeply spiritual person, and would spend a lot of time talking about values and give me books about the world's religions, and talk to me about them. And I think always, her view always was that underlying these religions were a common set of beliefs about how you treat other people and how you aspire to act, not just for yourself but also for the greater good.

    And, so that, I think, was what I carried with me through college. I probably didn't get started getting active in church activities until I moved to Chicago.

    The way I came to Chicago in 1985 was that I was interested in community organizing and I was inspired by the Civil Rights movement. And the idea that ordinary people could do extraordinary things. And there was a group of churches out on the South Side of Chicago that had come together to form an organization to try to deal with the devastation of steel plants that had closed. And didn't have much money, but felt that if they formed an organization and hired somebody to organize them to work on issues that affected their community, that it would strengthen the church and also strengthen the community.

    So they hired me, for $13,000 a year. The princely sum. And I drove out here and I didn't know anybody and started working with both the ministers and the lay people in these churches on issues like creating job training programs, or afterschool programs for youth, or making sure that city services were fairly allocated to underserved communites.

    This would be in Roseland, West Pullman, Altgeld Gardens, far South Side working class and lower income communities.

    And it was in those places where I think what had been more of an intellectual view of religion deepened because I'd be spending an enormous amount of time with church ladies, sort of surrogate mothers and fathers and everybody I was working with was 50 or 55 or 60, and here I was a 23-year-old kid running around.

    I became much more familiar with the ongoing tradition of the historic black church and it's importance in the community.

    And the power of that culture to give people strength in very difficult circumstances, and the power of that church to give people courage against great odds. And it moved me deeply.

    So that, one of the churches I met, or one of the churches that I became involved in was Trinity United Church of Christ. And the pastor there, Jeremiah Wright, became a good friend. So I joined that church and committed myself to Christ in that church.


    FALSANI:
    Did you actually go up for an altar call?

    OBAMA:
    Yes. Absolutely.

    It was a daytime service, during a daytime service. And it was a powerful moment. Because, it was powerful for me because it not only confirmed my faith, it not only gave shape to my faith, but I think, also, allowed me to connect the work I had been pursuing with my faith.

    FALSANI:
    How long ago?

    OBAMA:
    16, 17 years ago. 1987 or 88

    FALSANI:
    So you got yourself born again?

    OBAMA:
    Yeah, although I don't, I retain from my childhood and my experiences growing up a suspicion of dogma. And I'm not somebody who is always comfortable with language that implies I've got a monopoly on the truth, or that my faith is automatically transferable to others.

    I'm a big believer in tolerance. I think that religion at it's best comes with a big dose of doubt. I'm suspicious of too much certainty in the pursuit of understanding just because I think people are limited in their understanding.

    I think that, particularly as somebody who's now in the public realm and is a student of what brings people together and what drives them apart, there's an enormous amount of damage done around the world in the name of religion and certainty.

    ...

    The rest here http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/11/obamas-interview-with-cathleen.html

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Obama's '04 Interview on Faith
     Reply #1 - November 14, 2008, 06:26 PM

    Good post.

    I don't want to sound too cynical but the last two paragraphs should be read and digested by our Muslim brothers and sisters.
  • Re: Obama's '04 Interview on Faith
     Reply #2 - November 14, 2008, 06:46 PM

    Smiley That's why I chose to cut it off there. Not just muslims, all believers.

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Obama's '04 Interview on Faith
     Reply #3 - November 14, 2008, 09:08 PM

    Bloody George Bush and his friends should read those last bits.  yes

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Obama's '04 Interview on Faith
     Reply #4 - November 16, 2008, 04:24 PM


    I'm a big believer in tolerance. I think that religion at it's best comes with a big dose of doubt. I'm suspicious of too much certainty in the pursuit of understanding just because I think people are limited in their understanding.

    I think that, particularly as somebody who's now in the public realm and is a student of what brings people together and what drives them apart, there's an enormous amount of damage done around the world in the name of religion and certainty.



    Yes, well said.  Afro

    I really can't see much wrong with Obama and I find the rabid hatred and paranoia some from FFI have (and a couple here have) very weird.
  • Re: Obama's '04 Interview on Faith
     Reply #5 - November 16, 2008, 04:43 PM

    It's definitely very encouraging. Can you imagine how depressing it would've been if McCain had won?

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Obama's '04 Interview on Faith
     Reply #6 - November 16, 2008, 04:54 PM

    It's definitely very encouraging. Can you imagine how depressing it would've been if McCain had won?


    Yes, it is encouraging.

    I have to say, though I didn't think McCain was that bad. Of course I don't know a great deal about him really - but but the bits I saw, I thought he came across as a decent guy particularly his speech after he knew he was defeated. Very dignified.
  • Re: Obama's '04 Interview on Faith
     Reply #7 - November 16, 2008, 06:40 PM

    It's definitely very encouraging. Can you imagine how depressing it would've been if McCain had won?


    Yes, it is encouraging.

    I have to say, though I didn't think McCain was that bad. Of course I don't know a great deal about him really - but but the bits I saw, I thought he came across as a decent guy particularly his speech after he knew he was defeated. Very dignified.


    Yeah. But it wasn't all just about him as president, the Palin factor was not insignificant given his age.

    Ha Ha.
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