Who is responsible for the 13 year-old Afghan suicide bomber?

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Who is responsible for the 13 year-old Afghan suicide bomber?
OP - December 13, 2008, 10:10 PM

In contemporary society I am struggling to comprehend a child being used as a suicide bomber. Sure there are child soldiers and combatants and that is bad enough, but a suicide bomber?

To what extent does Islam, or an Islamic sub-culture, bear responsibility for this appallingly horrific deed? I find it increasingly difficult to separate those who support and/or carry out such acts from the fact that most appear to be ardent Muslims. I know that many will say, well hang on, these people are not following Islam. Yet it has to be said that they believe that they are!

Can the world, and especially the Islamic world, afford to sit back when children are being used in this way?

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Reply #1 - December 13, 2008, 10:21 PM

We can't afford to, no. And we can't afford all the wars that children are fodder in too, in this case as a human smart-bomb.

In answer to the question: the adults who made him carry this out and the western occupation.

Suicide attacks are an unconventional warfare. The only thing that Islam has to do with it is give it a religious veneer - belief in the afterlife and your family being rewarded by god for your sacrifice etc.

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Reply #2 - December 13, 2008, 10:24 PM

He was probably exploded via remote control in the same way those two women with downs syndrome were in Iraq that time.

I think most of them are.
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Reply #3 - December 13, 2008, 10:39 PM

Quote from: panoptic on December 13, 2008, 10:21 PM
We can't afford to, no. And we can't afford all the wars that children are fodder in too, in this case as a human smart-bomb.

In answer to the question: the adults who made him carry this out and the western occupation.

Suicide attacks are an unconventional warfare. The only thing that Islam has to do with it is give it a religious veneer - belief in the afterlife and your family being rewarded by god for your sacrifice etc.

I am afraid that that doesn't seem to be correct. Whilst researching recently, I came across this information on Wikipedia:

It is believed that the first bombing attack involving bin Laden was the 29 December 1992 bombing of the Gold Mihor Hotel in Aden in which two people were killed.

It was after this bombing that al-Qaeda was reported to have developed its justification for the killing of innocent people. According to a fatwa issued by Mamdouh Mahmud Salim, the killing of someone standing near the enemy is justified because any innocent bystander will find their proper reward in death, going to Paradise if they were good Muslims and to hell if they were bad or non-believers.

The fatwa was issued to al-Qaeda members but not the general public.

This information, if true, would put a clear link between some Islamic scholars and terrorists who would use children used and die in this way. It is no longer a "veneer" but a fact of Islam, even if only a faction of it.

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Reply #4 - December 16, 2008, 10:18 PM

Most of the reports I've seen indicate that the boy didn't actually know what he was carrying , so I think it is unfair to describe him as a 'suicide ' bomber . It also makes a nonsense of the usual excuses the fanatics give to try and sidestep the islamic injunction against suicide .
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Reply #5 - December 24, 2008, 11:47 PM

Quote from: henrypage on December 13, 2008, 10:39 PM
I am afraid that that doesn't seem to be correct. Whilst researching recently, I came across this information on Wikipedia:

It is believed that the first bombing attack involving bin Laden was the 29 December 1992 bombing of the Gold Mihor Hotel in Aden in which two people were killed.

It was after this bombing that al-Qaeda was reported to have developed its justification for the killing of innocent people. According to a fatwa issued by Mamdouh Mahmud Salim, the killing of someone standing near the enemy is justified because any innocent bystander will find their proper reward in death, going to Paradise if they were good Muslims and to hell if they were bad or non-believers.

The fatwa was issued to al-Qaeda members but not the general public.

This information, if true, would put a clear link between some Islamic scholars and terrorists who would use children used and die in this way. It is no longer a "veneer" but a fact of Islam, even if only a faction of it.

I don't see what your point is. Suicide attacks pre-date any religious stipulation about them (in this case by a founding member of AQ). Anyone can write a fatwa.

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Reply #6 - December 25, 2008, 01:47 PM

Quote from: panoptic on December 13, 2008, 10:21 PM
We can't afford to, no. And we can't afford all the wars that children are fodder in too, in this case as a human smart-bomb.

In answer to the question: the adults who made him carry this out and the western occupation.

Suicide attacks are an unconventional warfare. The only thing that Islam has to do with it is give it a religious veneer - belief in the afterlife and your family being rewarded by god for your sacrifice etc.

And the confirmation that those you kill are the lowest of the low. People destined to hell and torture. and that you will get the best afterlife of all.

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Reply #7 - December 25, 2008, 05:13 PM

All these things segeue into each other. 'Martyrdom'. The notion of afterlife, however it is imagined, both enables and is the expression of the altruistic reflex (for his constituency, its moral/political outrage, political interests) involved in the act, which is mistaken entirely for a religious one. To them it is not suicidal; They're doing it on behalf of others. It's efficacious, nor is it expensive.

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Reply #8 - December 25, 2008, 05:17 PM

These people have no principles or morals whatsoever and are pure evil. All deserve gitmo.

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Reply #9 - December 30, 2008, 07:21 PM

Quote from: henrypage on December 13, 2008, 10:10 PM
In contemporary society I am struggling to comprehend a child being used as a suicide bomber. Sure there are child soldiers and combatants and that is bad enough, but a suicide bomber?

To what extent does Islam, or an Islamic sub-culture, bear responsibility for this appallingly horrific deed? I find it increasingly difficult to separate those who support and/or carry out such acts from the fact that most appear to be ardent Muslims. I know that many will say, well hang on, these people are not following Islam. Yet it has to be said that they believe that they are!

Can the world, and especially the Islamic world, afford to sit back when children are being used in this way?

Your very first premise is wrong. Islamic societies are not contemporaray societies. They are stone age societies (if that).

I hope that clears up some of your subsequent questions that follow.
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Reply #10 - December 30, 2008, 07:52 PM

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Your very first premise is wrong. Islamic societies are not contemporaray societies. They are stone age societies (if that).

I hope that clears up some of your subsequent questions that follow.

Yes, all is clear now.
Thank you gallego for enlightening us

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Reply #11 - December 30, 2008, 11:38 PM

Quote from: gallego on December 30, 2008, 07:21 PM
Your very first premise is wrong. Islamic societies are not contemporaray societies. They are stone age societies (if that).

I hope that clears up some of your subsequent questions that follow.

Thank you for pointing out that the United Arab Emirates is a stone age society.

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