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 Topic: Atheists: Remove ?So Help Me God? From Inaugural Oath

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  • Atheists: Remove ?So Help Me God? From Inaugural Oath
     OP - January 13, 2009, 04:19 PM

    Atheists: Remove ?So Help Me God? From Inaugural Oath
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    Atheists and several non-religious organizations have filed a 39-page lawsuit to prohibit the use of religious phrases and references to God when President-elect Barack Obama takes the oath of office Jan. 20.

    The lawsuit, filed Tuesday in Washington, demands the words ?so help me God? and other ?explicitly religious dogma? not be uttered at the end of the swearing-in ceremony, the Washington Post reports. In addition, the suit will try to prohibit ministers from invoking a benediction in which God and religion are discussed.

    "There can be no purpose for placing 'so help me God' in an oath or sponsoring prayers to God, other than promoting the particular point of view that God exists," says the lawsuit, posted online by a California lawyer who has filed similar and unsuccessful suits over inauguration ceremonies.

    Parties to the suit, which states references to God during inauguration ceremonies violates the Constitution's ban on the establishment of religion, include the American Humanist Association; the Freedom from Religion Foundation; atheist groups from Minnesota, Seattle, Washington and Florida; and a handful of other groups advocating religious freedom or atheism.

    Atheists contend having to watch a ceremony with religious components will make them feel excluded and stigmatized.

    "Plaintiffs are placed in the untenable position of having to choose between not watching the presidential inauguration or being forced to countenance endorsements of purely religious notions that they expressly deny," the lawsuit reads.

    Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts, who is expected to swear in Obama, is named in the suit, along with the Presidential Inauguration Committee, the Joint Congressional Committee on Inauguration Ceremonies, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., the Armed Forces Inaugural Committee, and Maj. Gen. Richard Rowe Jr.

    The Rev. Rick Warren and the Rev. Joseph Lowery, both scheduled to participate in the ceremony, also are named.

    CNN reports that Obama, who will use the Bible Abraham Lincoln used for his inauguration, is not named in the suit because of his rights as an individual that allow him to express religious beliefs.

    The Supreme Court has stated that public acknowledgments of God ?are ceremonial, not theological, and serve the legitimate secular purposes of solemnizing public occasions, expressing confidence in the future, and encouraging the recognition of what is worthy of appreciation in society."


    That's taking atheism too far.

    I was not blessed with the ability to have blind faith. I cant beleive something just because someone says its true.
  • Re: Atheists: Remove ?So Help Me God? From Inaugural Oath
     Reply #1 - January 13, 2009, 04:28 PM

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    That's taking atheism too far.


    No; In America, under the constitution, the state must be separate from religion.

    oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, this is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!"
  • Re: Atheists: Remove ?So Help Me God? From Inaugural Oath
     Reply #2 - January 13, 2009, 04:57 PM

    In America we also have freedom of religion, and as a matter of fact this was one of the premise this country was built.

    I was not blessed with the ability to have blind faith. I cant beleive something just because someone says its true.
  • Re: Atheists: Remove ?So Help Me God? From Inaugural Oath
     Reply #3 - January 13, 2009, 05:23 PM

    In America we also have freedom of religion, and as a matter of fact this was one of the premise this country was built.


    Yes, there are many contradictions in that mixed up crazy country.


    ....."The separation of church and state is a legal and political principle derived from the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which reads, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ." The phrase "separation of church and state" is generally traced to an 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists, where Jefferson spoke of the combined effect of the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment. It has since been quoted in several opinions handed down by the United States Supreme Court.".....
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state_in_the_United_States

    oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, this is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!"
  • Re: Atheists: Remove ?So Help Me God? From Inaugural Oath
     Reply #4 - January 13, 2009, 05:33 PM

    In America we also have freedom of religion, and as a matter of fact this was one of the premise this country was built.


    I would disagree. America was built on extremism.

    Puritans felt that the English Reformation had not gone far enough, and that the Church of England was tolerant of practices which they associated with the Church of Rome.

    It's a fact that one of the first things the Puritans built was a prison to keep everyone in line, i would guess.

    oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, this is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!"
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