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  • 1 Example here, Just 1, Shows how Merciful the Prophet of Islam was..!
     OP - March 11, 2009, 01:11 PM

    Ok, let's forget massacring the Jews in Medina, and all those battles and wars between Muslims and others;


    I was highly shocked when I first read this story attested by Abdu Dawood, Nasai'i, and Al-Albani;

    How could a normal humane one allow such thing?

    This Narcissist Muhammad, Prophet Wanna-B !!
    =============

    Book 38, Number 4348:

        Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas:
    Quote
        A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) was informed about it.

        He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.

        He sat before the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.

        Thereupon the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.

    Abu Dawood.



    The man was her husband according to the Arabic version, she was no slave.


    Muhammad, the mercy sent down by Allah..!


    "I'm Agnostic about God."

    Richard Dawkins
    ==
    "If there is a God, it has to be a man; no woman could or would ever fuck things up like this."
     George Carlin == "...The so-called moderates are actually the public relations arm of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic Republic of Iran."  Maryam Namazie
  • Re: 1 Example here, Just 1, Shows how Merciful the Prophet of Islam was..!
     Reply #1 - March 11, 2009, 01:15 PM

    He's full of crap. I think the fact that he allowed a man to be tortured because Mo wanted treasure is one of the worst things he's ever done.
  • Re: 1 Example here, Just 1, Shows how Merciful the Prophet of Islam was..!
     Reply #2 - March 11, 2009, 01:19 PM

    True Peruvian,

    Muslims tho like to question the narration chain of these murders stories,


    the above hadith is authenticated and revised by al-Albani.


    Indisputable by those who believe in Hadith..

    "I'm Agnostic about God."

    Richard Dawkins
    ==
    "If there is a God, it has to be a man; no woman could or would ever fuck things up like this."
     George Carlin == "...The so-called moderates are actually the public relations arm of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic Republic of Iran."  Maryam Namazie
  • Re: 1 Example here, Just 1, Shows how Merciful the Prophet of Islam was..!
     Reply #3 - March 11, 2009, 03:07 PM

    What is it with these Muslims? I think believing in all religions requires a bit of self deception but seriously with Mo's character? Just think of all the bad stuff a human could do in one lifetime, Mo managed to do.

    If we took Mo out of Islam, it could "reform" in a single day, the rest of the silly, violent & misogynistic stuff in the Quran is amply present in other faiths as well. But Mo stands like the Great Barrier Reef betwen many Muslim who want to cross over to the side of modernity, decency & equality. Teach Muslims something good, Mo's spirit  will Shark it if he could!


    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: 1 Example here, Just 1, Shows how Merciful the Prophet of Islam was..!
     Reply #4 - March 12, 2009, 01:51 AM

    @ Rashna,

    yes, that's why some Muslims now chose to leave Sunnah/Hadith and be Quran-aloners (Quranists).

    "I'm Agnostic about God."

    Richard Dawkins
    ==
    "If there is a God, it has to be a man; no woman could or would ever fuck things up like this."
     George Carlin == "...The so-called moderates are actually the public relations arm of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic Republic of Iran."  Maryam Namazie
  • Re: 1 Example here, Just 1, Shows how Merciful the Prophet of Islam was..!
     Reply #5 - March 12, 2009, 02:23 AM

    Emerald, I always found this hadith of Prophet allowing evisceration of a pregnant woman very shocking.

    Can you please show where in the Arabic it says the killer was her husband?

    ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏عباد بن موسى الختلي ‏ ‏أخبرنا ‏ ‏إسمعيل بن جعفر المدني ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏إسرائيل ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏عثمان الشحام ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏عكرمة ‏ ‏قال حدثنا ‏ ‏ابن عباس 

    ‏أن أعمى كانت له أم ولد تشتم النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏وتقع فيه ‏ ‏فينهاها فلا تنتهي ويزجرها فلا تنزجر قال فلما كانت ذات ليلة جعلت تقع في النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏وتشتمه فأخذ ‏ ‏المغول ‏ ‏فوضعه في بطنها واتكأ عليها فقتلها فوقع بين رجليها طفل فلطخت ما هناك بالدم فلما أصبح ذكر ذلك لرسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏فجمع الناس فقال أنشد الله رجلا فعل ما فعل لي عليه حق إلا قام فقام الأعمى ‏ ‏يتخطى الناس وهو يتزلزل حتى قعد بين يدي النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏فقال يا رسول الله أنا صاحبها كانت تشتمك ‏ ‏وتقع فيك ‏ ‏فأنهاها فلا تنتهي وأزجرها فلا تنزجر ولي منها ابنان مثل اللؤلؤتين وكانت بي رفيقة فلما كان البارحة جعلت تشتمك ‏ ‏وتقع فيك ‏ ‏فأخذت ‏ ‏المغول ‏ ‏فوضعته في بطنها واتكأت عليها حتى قتلتها فقال النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏ألا اشهدوا أن دمها ‏ ‏هدر ‏


    http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?hnum=3795&doc=4

    "It may happen that the enemies of Islam may consider it expedient not to take any action against Islam, if Islam leaves them alone in their geographical boundaries... But Islam cannot agree to this unless they submit to its authority by paying Jizyah"

    -Sayyid Qutb, Milestones
  • Re: 1 Example here, Just 1, Shows how Merciful the Prophet of Islam was..!
     Reply #6 - March 12, 2009, 04:57 AM

    @ Rashna,

    yes, that's why some Muslims now chose to leave Sunnah/Hadith and be Quran-aloners (Quranists).


    Well, the Quran has its own problems-conversion or death to idolaters,the second class status of the Jews & Christians,sanctioning wife beating to name but a few. Quranists also can't do the five daily prayers anymore then, can they?  grin12

    I've met a Muslim who claims that the stories in the Sunnah & Hadiths were made up by the Prophet's enemies to malign him which I thought was bulls***, & at least this particular incident leads to to wonder whether that is in fact true.

    I think this is a far worse & morally depraved act than the torture of Kinana. That was done in a war situation & to another man who was his antagonist. This was done to a woman, a mother of children. And this woman's crime? Disparaging the Prophet?

    This is certainly not the acts of a Prophet of the One True God, not even the acts of a world conqueror  like Alexander the Great or Chengiz Khan-whose bravery we might  appreciate even in spite of their bloodthirsty conduct.

    This is basically a man who has lost all humanity, a megalomaniac-maybe a Satan's Prophet?

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: 1 Example here, Just 1, Shows how Merciful the Prophet of Islam was..!
     Reply #7 - March 12, 2009, 06:53 AM

    Sorry Emerald... I'll answer my own question. The words (Umm Valad) أم ولد   mean "mother of children".

    So, she was a concubine, no? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_slavery#Marriage_and_concubinage

    Quote from: Rashna
    I've met a Muslim who claims that the stories in the Sunnah & Hadiths were made up by the Prophet's enemies to malign him which I thought was bulls***, & at least this particular incident leads to to wonder whether that is in fact true.

    There's a discussion of this hadith on IslamQA, their conclusion is that the hadith is very sound and corroborated by multiple narrators.

    http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/103739

    And whoever insults the Prophet: Kill them

    Quote from: Shaykh Muhammad al Munajjid
    But when he found out that she had broken the covenant time after time, by insulting the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and reviling him, all her rights were denied, and she deserved the punishment of execution which sharee?ah imposes on everyone who reviles the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), whether he is a Muslim, a dhimmi or a mu?aahid, because transgressing against the status of the Prophets is disbelief in Allaah Almighty, and it invalidates every sanctity, right and covenant; it is a major betrayal which deserves the most severe punishment.

     

    "It may happen that the enemies of Islam may consider it expedient not to take any action against Islam, if Islam leaves them alone in their geographical boundaries... But Islam cannot agree to this unless they submit to its authority by paying Jizyah"

    -Sayyid Qutb, Milestones
  • Re: 1 Example here, Just 1, Shows how Merciful the Prophet of Islam was..!
     Reply #8 - March 12, 2009, 07:02 AM

    Sorry Emerald... I'll answer my own question. The words (Umm Valad) أم ولد   mean "mother of children".

    So, she was a concubine, no? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_slavery#Marriage_and_concubinage

    Quote from: Rashna
    I've met a Muslim who claims that the stories in the Sunnah & Hadiths were made up by the Prophet's enemies to malign him which I thought was bulls***, & at least this particular incident leads to to wonder whether that is in fact true.

    There's a discussion of this hadith on IslamQA, their conclusion is that the hadith is very sound and corroborated by multiple narrators.


    Maybe she was even booty? ("ma malakat aymankum"), caught in one of Mo's wars according to Koranic verses (e.g., 4:3)?  Cheesy

    No seriously, there's no evidence she's booty.  Cheesy
    In any case, this is grotesque. Yes this hadith, like other unpleasant ones, are very true, as per all evidence. How Muslims live at peace with this knowledge is beyond me.

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: 1 Example here, Just 1, Shows how Merciful the Prophet of Islam was..!
     Reply #9 - March 12, 2009, 07:16 AM

    Quote from: Rashna
    Maybe she was even booty? ("ma malakat aymankum"), caught in one of Mo's wars according to Koranic verses (e.g., 4:3)?

    Yeah, some of the reports also say she was Jewish, which would explain why she was angry with Muhammad in the first place and why her life was regarded so lightly.

    "It may happen that the enemies of Islam may consider it expedient not to take any action against Islam, if Islam leaves them alone in their geographical boundaries... But Islam cannot agree to this unless they submit to its authority by paying Jizyah"

    -Sayyid Qutb, Milestones
  • Re: 1 Example here, Just 1, Shows how Merciful the Prophet of Islam was..!
     Reply #10 - March 12, 2009, 10:22 AM

    @ Aksel Ankersen,

    (Um walad) according to the hadith mufasser means (non-Muslim), awkward tafsir IMO.


    Reading from islamQA link you provided, I see it ain't very clear whether she was a slave or not;

    in Arabic text, the word:

    أنا صاحبها

    does not necessarily mean (I'm her master), on the contrary it could actually mean (I'm her husband).

     

    "I'm Agnostic about God."

    Richard Dawkins
    ==
    "If there is a God, it has to be a man; no woman could or would ever fuck things up like this."
     George Carlin == "...The so-called moderates are actually the public relations arm of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic Republic of Iran."  Maryam Namazie
  • Re: 1 Example here, Just 1, Shows how Merciful the Prophet of Islam was..!
     Reply #11 - March 12, 2009, 10:28 AM

    @ Aksel Ankersen,

    in Arabic text, the word:

    أنا صاحبها

    does not necessarily mean (I'm her master), on the contrary it could actually mean (I'm her husband).



    Wasn't master or lord a near universally used substitute for husband in pre gender equality times reflecting the status society attributed to the  "husband"  vis a vis his "wife" ? Tongue

    In the OT, Sarah called Abraham "Lord" , for instance. I doubt Khadija called Mo her Lord, if anything, she was his lord & master & maybe thats' how he had to refer to her or be banished to the doghouseTongue

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: 1 Example here, Just 1, Shows how Merciful the Prophet of Islam was..!
     Reply #12 - March 12, 2009, 10:38 AM

    @ Aksel Ankersen,

    in Arabic text, the word:

    أنا صاحبها

    does not necessarily mean (I'm her master), on the contrary it could actually mean (I'm her husband).



    Wasn't master or lord a near universally used substitute for husband in pre gender equality times reflecting the status society attributed to the  "husband"  vis a vis his "wife" ? Tongue

    In the OT, Sarah called Abraham "Lord" , for instance. I doubt Khadija called Mo her Lord, if anything, she was his lord & master & maybe thats' how he had to refer to her or be banished to the doghouseTongue

    ============

    Good point you raise Rashna,

    but I think it's Mu who used to call Khadija (Lord), she was the $$, and actual Bo$$. Cheesy

    J/K

    "I'm Agnostic about God."

    Richard Dawkins
    ==
    "If there is a God, it has to be a man; no woman could or would ever fuck things up like this."
     George Carlin == "...The so-called moderates are actually the public relations arm of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic Republic of Iran."  Maryam Namazie
  • Re: 1 Example here, Just 1, Shows how Merciful the Prophet of Islam was..!
     Reply #13 - March 12, 2009, 10:40 AM

    @ Rashna,

    some Quranists do not pray 5 times,

    they started to form many sub-sects, under this Quranism sect.  grin12

    "I'm Agnostic about God."

    Richard Dawkins
    ==
    "If there is a God, it has to be a man; no woman could or would ever fuck things up like this."
     George Carlin == "...The so-called moderates are actually the public relations arm of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic Republic of Iran."  Maryam Namazie
  • Re: 1 Example here, Just 1, Shows how Merciful the Prophet of Islam was..!
     Reply #14 - March 12, 2009, 10:51 AM

    Wouho my first post.

    I have a question. Dous it matter if she was a slave or his wife?

    The man killed a Women because he spoke bad about another guy. Yes the other guy was Mo' (i love it to call him Mo), but he still killed another human being just for saying something. All this nitpicking dousnt count in my book.
    The only reasonable excuse to kill someone is in selfdefense when your own life is threatened.

    And for the second part. Mo didnt punish the guy for killing a pregnant woman. How can you follow a man who dousnt punish murder?

     finmad

    "We are never deceived, we deceive ourselves." - from Goethes Faust
    "Only the wisest and the stupidest men never change." - Confuzios
    "there is no religion of peace, only people who are peaceful while being religious."
  • Re: 1 Example here, Just 1, Shows how Merciful the Prophet of Islam was..!
     Reply #15 - March 12, 2009, 10:58 AM

    @ DIgDeep,

    True it really doesn't matter @ all,

    I just like to have these small details investigated fairly.


    Welcome.  Smiley

    "I'm Agnostic about God."

    Richard Dawkins
    ==
    "If there is a God, it has to be a man; no woman could or would ever fuck things up like this."
     George Carlin == "...The so-called moderates are actually the public relations arm of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic Republic of Iran."  Maryam Namazie
  • Re: 1 Example here, Just 1, Shows how Merciful the Prophet of Islam was..!
     Reply #16 - March 12, 2009, 11:02 AM

    How can you follow a man who dousnt punish murder?
     finmad


    Most of the people here have left following that man DIgDeep, & people are capable of enormous self deception & gullibility when it comes to their religion!

    Maybe you can go to a Muslim forum & ask them how they follow this type of man? Wink

    How can Christians' follow a Yahweh who's  evil, misogynistic & violent to the core, then suddenly undergoes a personality change, becomes a saccharine sweey Jeebus, & gets Himself killed brutally to apparently rid people of the "original sin" of being born when He gave birth to them in the first place? bunny

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: 1 Example here, Just 1, Shows how Merciful the Prophet of Islam was..!
     Reply #17 - March 12, 2009, 08:56 PM

    The hadith does not state wife, the first time she is referred to as: "he had a mother of children". It did not even state the 'mother of his children'.

    The Second time the word used to refer to her is "Sahibha - Her friend or her owner or her keeper". Quite a confusing use for a word, but since i do not think at the time they had the live-in: boyfriend/girlfriend, I will have to opt that the use indicates: Owner or Keeper. Probably, she is a free non-muslim woman. Or a woman who was dedicated by the tribe to take care of the needs of a blind tribe member. A truly blind tribe member that is.


    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: 1 Example here, Just 1, Shows how Merciful the Prophet of Islam was..!
     Reply #18 - March 12, 2009, 11:56 PM

    She's non Muslim, Baal; according to scholars and interpreters.

    "I'm Agnostic about God."

    Richard Dawkins
    ==
    "If there is a God, it has to be a man; no woman could or would ever fuck things up like this."
     George Carlin == "...The so-called moderates are actually the public relations arm of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic Republic of Iran."  Maryam Namazie
  • Re: 1 Example here, Just 1, Shows how Merciful the Prophet of Islam was..!
     Reply #19 - March 13, 2009, 09:22 AM

    Mo & his Dead Poets' Society!  Roll Eyes
    When Mo came across any poet or poetess or anyone mocking him  rules he either personally  Flamer or ordered his men to Shooter

    (1) March 624: Al?Nadr bin al?Harith

    Before Muhammad's Hijrah, he used to sit in the assembly and invite the Meccans to Allah, citing the Quran and warning them of God's punishment for mocking his prophets. A Meccan named Al?Nadr bin al?Harith would then follow him and speak about heroes and kings of Persia, saying, 'By God, Muhammad cannot tell a better story than I, and his talk is only of old fables which he has copied as I have.' On other days al?Nadr would interrupt Muhammad until the prophet silenced him.

    It was Nadr's bad fortune to join Mecca's army, riding north to protect their caravan, which Muhammad attacked at the Battle of Badr in AD 624. It pitted about 320 Muslims against about 1,000 Meccans, near the north?south trade route following the Red Sea. The story?telling polytheist was captured, and on Muhammad's return journey back to Medina, Ali, Muhammad's cousin and son?in?law, at Muhammad's order, beheaded him, instead of getting some possible ransom money. He was one of two prisoners who were executed and not allowed to be ransomed by their clans?all because he harassed Muhammad and wrote poems and told stories critiquing him. [1]

    (2) March 624: Uqbah bin Abu Muayt
    A similar story as that of Nadr can be told about Uqba bin Abu Muayt. He too harassed and mocked Muhammad in Mecca and wrote derogatory verses about him. He too was captured during the Battle of Badr, and Muhammad ordered him to be executed. 'But who will look after my children, O Muhammad?' Uqba cried with anguish. 'Hell,' retorted the Prophet coldly. Then the sword of one of his followers cut through Uqba's neck.

    After the prophet's victory at Badr, he was not always magnanimous. This passage finds him mocking the enemy dead in the middle of the night, as their bodies lie motionless in a pit:

    . . . The apostle's companions heard him saying in the middle of the night, 'O people of the pit: O Utbah, O Shayba, O Ummayya, O Abu Jahl,' enumerating all who had been thrown in the pit, 'Have you found what God promises you is true? I have found that what my Lord promised me is true.' The Muslims said, 'Are you calling to dead bodies?' He answered: 'you cannot hear what I say better than they, but they cannot answer me. [2]

    The reliable hadith collector and editor Bukhari confirms Ibn Ishaq's account.

    These were the battles of Allah's Apostle (which he fought), and while mentioning (the Badr battle) he said, "While the corpses of the pagans were being thrown into the well, Allah's Apostle said (to them), 'Have you found what your Lord promised true?" 'Abdullah said, "Some of the Prophet's companions said, "O Allah's Apostle! You are addressing dead people.' Allah's Apostle replied, 'You do not hear what I am saying, better than they.'  (Bukhari )

    In this tradition the prophet is shown taunting the dead in a well, not a pit, and he seems to have done this in broad daylight. Maybe these are two different episodes in Ibn Ishaq and Bukhari; regardless, they convey the same unpleasant message. [3]

    (3) March 624: Asma bint Marwan

    She was a poetess who belonged to a tribe of Medinan pagans. She composed a poem blaming them for obeying a stranger (Muhammad) and for not taking the initiative to attack him by surprise. Perhaps in March 624, when the Allah?inspired Prophet heard what she had said, he asked, 'Who will rid me of Marwan's daughter?' A member of her husband's tribe volunteered and crept into her house that night. She had five children, and the youngest was sleeping at her breast. The assassin gently removed the child, drew his sword, and plunged it into her, killing her in her sleep. [4]

    (4) September 624: Kab bin al?Ashraf
    Kab b. al?Ashraf had a mixed ancestry. His father came from a nomadic Arab tribe, but his mother was a Jew from the powerful al?Nadir tribe in Medina. He lived as a member of his mother's tribe. He heard about the Muslim victory at the battle of Badr, and he was disgusted, for he thought Muhammad the newcomer to Medina was a trouble?maker and divisive. Kab had the gift of poetry, and after the Battle of Badr he traveled down to Mecca, apparently stopping by Badr, witnessing the aftermath. Arriving in Mecca, he wrote a widely circulated poem, a hostile lament, over the dead of Mecca.

    Angered by the poems and now able to strike back after the Battle of Badr, Muhammad had had enough. He asked, 'Who would rid me of [Kab]?' Five Muslims volunteered, one of whom was Kab's foster?brother named Abu Naila. They informed him, 'O apostle of God, we shall have to tell lies.' He answered, 'Say what you like, for you are free in the matter.'

    After deceitfully gaining Kab's trust over time, a Muslim yelled to the four other murderers, 'Smite the enemy of God!' Though outnumbered, Kab mounted a strong defense, so their swords were ineffective. Finally, one of the conspirators remembered his dagger, stabbed Kab in the belly, and then bore it down until it reached his genitals, killing him.

    They made it back to Muhammad. They saluted the prophet as he stood praying, and he came out to them. They told him that the mission was accomplished. Early Muslim historian Tabari (d. 923) reports that the five Muslim thugs severed Kab's head and brought it to Muhammad. [5]

    (5) July?August 625: A one?eyed, unnamed Bedouin

    In revenge for an ambush on some Muslim missionaries, Muhammad sent Amr bin Umayya and a companion to assassinate Abu Sufyan, a leader of the Meccans. This shows that the Prophet could get caught up in the cycle of violence that went on endlessly in seventh?century Arab culture. Umayyah failed in his attempt, and he had to flee under pursuit, hiding in a cave, murdering a man named Ibn Malik along the way. As the pursuit was dying down, a tall, one?eyed, unnamed Bedouin entered the cave, driving some sheep. Umayyah and the Bedouin introduced each other. After they settled down, the shepherd sang a simple two?line song in defiance of Muslims and Islam.

    Unfortunately for this Bedouin, he was in the cave with a radical Muslim, who said: 'You will soon see!' The Bedouin fell asleep, snoring. Umayyah recounts what he did: . . .  'I went to him and killed him in the most dreadful way that anybody has ever been killed. I leaned over him, stuck the end of my bow into his good eye, and thrust it down until it came out of the back of his neck.' He fled back to Muhammad, who said, 'Well done!' The account ends: The prophet 'prayed for me [Umayyah] to be blessed.' [6]

    (6) After January 630: One singing?girl
    After Muhammad conquered Mecca in early AD 630, a conquest that saw some bloodshed of twenty?eight Meccans, he showed amnesty to the newly conquered.  But on the list of those excluded from amnesty was not only Abdullah b. Katal, collector of legal alms, who had killed his slave for incompetence, apostatized from Islam, and took the money back to Mecca. But his two singing?girls who sang satirical verses about Muhammad, which Abdullah had composed, were also excluded from the list. He was killed, even though he was clinging to the curtain of the Kabah shrine. And one of the girls was killed, but the other ran away until she asked for pardon from Muhammad, who forgave her. [7]


    (7) An unnamed man strangles an unnamed Jewish woman.
    Narrated Ali ibn Abu Talib:

    A Jewess used to abuse the Prophet . . . and disparage him. A man strangled her till she died. The Apostle of Allah . . .  declared that no recompense was payable for her blood. (Abu Dawud)

    This hadith communicates that a Jewish woman is worth nothing.
    Is it any wonder why so many Muslims who are educated in their source documents hate Jews? How can Muhammad and his sacred texts tell them to stop?

    [1] Source: Ibn Ishaq, The Life of Muhammad, (trans. A. Guillaume, Oxford UP, 1955, 2004), pp. 136, 163, 181, 262, 308. Reputable historians today consider Ibn Ishaq to be a reliable source of early Islam, though they may disagree on his chronology and miraculous elements.

    [2] Ibn Ishaq, p. 306

    [3] Bukhari, Spoils of War (online source); Muslim nos. 4421, 4422, and 4424; These are parallels in Bukhari about taunting the dead: here and here.  Ibn Ishaq, pp. 306?08. Muslim is also a reliable collector and editor of the hadith (records of the words and deeds of Muhammad outside of the Quran).

    [4] Ibn Ishaq, pp. 675?76.

    [5] Bukhari, Military Expeditions (online sources: here; see also the one below); this one  and this one show Muhammad giving permission to his assassin to say anything, i.e. lie; Muslim no. 4436 ; Ibn Ishaq pp. 364?69 ; Tabari, The History of al?Tabari, Vol. 7, (trans. by M.V. McDonald and annotated by W. Montgomery Watt, SUNYP, 1987), pp. 94?98. Reputable historians today consider Tabari to be a reliable source of data on early Islam, though they may not agree on his chronology or miraculous elements.

    [6] Tabari, vol. 7, pp. 149?50; A later editor incorporated some of Tabari's account into Ibn Ishaq's biography, pp. 674?75.

    [7] Bukhari, Military Expeditions, (Online source) ; Ibn Ishaq, pp. 550?51.

    This is based on an article written by James A. Arlandson for the American thinker, but I have cross checked from Wikipedia.


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  • Re: 1 Example here, Just 1, Shows how Merciful the Prophet of Islam was..!
     Reply #20 - March 18, 2009, 10:45 PM

    The Second time the word used to refer to her is "Sahibha - Her friend or her owner or her keeper". Quite a confusing use for a word, but since i do not think at the time they had the live-in: boyfriend/girlfriend, I will have to opt that the use indicates: Owner or Keeper. Probably, she is a free non-muslim woman. Or a woman who was dedicated by the tribe to take care of the needs of a blind tribe member. A truly blind tribe member that is.

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    (Sahib) could mean (husband).. and (Sahiba) = (wife)


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