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  • Catholic church complains that nine-year-old rape victim has abortion
     OP - March 07, 2009, 12:18 PM

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    http://www.atheistnexus.org/group/atheistnews/forum/topics/catholic-church-complains-that

    Brazil girl, alleged rape victim, aborts twins
    The procedure on the 9-year-old girl draws complaints from Catholic church

    RIO DE JANEIRO - A 9-year-old girl who was carrying twins, allegedly after being raped by her stepfather, underwent an abortion Wednesday despite complaints from Brazil's Roman Catholic church.

    Police said the stepfather has been jailed since last week.

    Abortion is illegal in Brazil, but judges can make exceptions if the mother's life is in danger or the fetus has no chance of survival.

    Fatima Maia, director of the public university hospital where the abortion was performed, said the 15-week-old pregnancy posed a serious risk to the 80-pound girl.

    "She is very small. Her uterus doesn't have the ability to hold one, let alone two children," Maia told the Jornal do Brasil newspaper.

    But Marcio Miranda, a lawyer for the Archdiocese of Olinda and Recife in northeastern Brazil, said the girl should have carried the twins to term and had a cesarean section.

    "It's the law of God: Do not kill. We consider this murder," Miranda said in comments reported by O Globo.

    Calls to Miranda were not immediately returned.

    Brazil is home to more Catholics than any other nation.


    From the comments section-
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    Hello, I'm Brazilian and I'm following this absurdity through newspapers and blogs.
    First thing, the child was not "allegedly" raped by the stepfather, it's confirmed. She has been raped by him since she was six years old.
    That said, I would like to inform all that not only the girl has been through so much at such a young age, but now the church is excommunicating both mother and daughter - as well as any other person involved in the abortion. Not only that, but they're prosecuting the mother for killing the twins. They want her to be arrested for it.
    Now, you ask, what about the stepfather? Apart from being sent to jail, he must have been excommunicated as well...?
    Nope! The church said that what the stepfather did is not as serious as killing the twins in the abortion, even if that action (the abortion) saved another life (the little girl's)...
    Not only that, but the Vatican is also supporting all of this, and agrees with all bishops that "due to the complexity of this case, we are sorry that it has not been dealt with the serenity, the tranquility and the necessary time frame it required. Also, we do not agree with the outcome that culminated in the elimination of harmless human beings" (quote from a note from the Brazilian Bishops Confederation).
    Please spread this around, please let people know what kind of people they are. Not only they are backing the rapist, but they are condemning the little girl and her mother!


    What sick bastards! Advocating murder and backing a sick rapist! finmad And these are supposedly God's morals?! Will these people ever use their bloody brains for once?! finmad
  • Re: Catholic church complains that nine-year-old rape victim has abortion
     Reply #1 - March 07, 2009, 01:06 PM

    No. They wont. Their dogma is more important to them than using their brains. It's a religious hierarchy. They're like that. If the kid was killed by the dual pregnancy and the foetuses died too the Church would be perfectly happy about that because they'd all go to heaven.

    Makes ya sick, hey?

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  • Re: Catholic church complains that nine-year-old rape victim has abortion
     Reply #2 - March 07, 2009, 02:06 PM

    Ixo posted this thread on FFI and dio is defending the church  Cheesy

    What I have realized is that the religious folks are for more interested in protecting the image and reputation of their religion than in the lives lost to it.

    I was not blessed with the ability to have blind faith. I cant beleive something just because someone says its true.
  • Re: Catholic church complains that nine-year-old rape victim has abortion
     Reply #3 - March 07, 2009, 02:20 PM

    Ixo posted this thread on FFI and dio is defending the church  Cheesy

    What I have realized is that the religious folks are for more interested in protecting the image and reputation of their religion than in the lives lost to it.

    I cant understand their stance, they're asking to murder all 3 people!

    Can you link me to the thread on FFI?
  • Re: Catholic church complains that nine-year-old rape victim has abortion
     Reply #4 - March 07, 2009, 03:24 PM

    Have they excommunicated the rapist?

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  • Re: Catholic church complains that nine-year-old rape victim has abortion
     Reply #5 - March 07, 2009, 03:27 PM

    I think the Catholic Church is trying to best the Muslim Ulama at who has the most obscurantist p.o.v!  wacko


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  • Re: Catholic church complains that nine-year-old rape victim has abortion
     Reply #6 - March 07, 2009, 03:29 PM

    Have they excommunicated the rapist?

    No, he's allowed to stay because he didn't kill anybody, he just terrorised and raped a little girl for several years and ruined her life. But that's ok.
  • Re: Catholic church complains that nine-year-old rape victim has abortion
     Reply #7 - March 07, 2009, 03:37 PM

    Have they excommunicated the rapist?

    No, he's allowed to stay because he didn't kill anybody, he just terrorised and raped a little girl for several years and ruined her life. But that's ok.

    Ah, so he gets God's forgiveness and the little girl and her mother don't. What a fucked up religion!

    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Catholic church complains that nine-year-old rape victim has abortion
     Reply #8 - March 07, 2009, 03:44 PM

    Have they excommunicated the rapist?

    No, he's allowed to stay because he didn't kill anybody, he just terrorised and raped a little girl for several years and ruined her life. But that's ok.

    Ah, so he gets God's forgiveness and the little girl and her mother don't. What a fucked up religion!


    The girl does, she hasn't been excommunicated, but its still fucked up.  They've excommunicated the mother and the doctor because killing is against God's law, is rape not against God's law too?

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  • Re: Catholic church complains that nine-year-old rape victim has abortion
     Reply #9 - March 07, 2009, 03:47 PM

    Is rape mentioned in any of the Abarahamic faiths books?
  • Re: Catholic church complains that nine-year-old rape victim has abortion
     Reply #10 - March 07, 2009, 03:48 PM

    Is rape mentioned in any of the Abarahamic faiths books?


    I think its mentioned in the OT. 

    Is abortion mentioned in any of the Abrahamic books?

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  • Re: Catholic church complains that nine-year-old rape victim has abortion
     Reply #11 - March 07, 2009, 03:52 PM

    Is rape mentioned in any of the Abarahamic faiths books?

    Yep, OT prescribes the death penalty to rape --however, if the victim doesn't scream and shout, she is also killed. If I remember correctly.

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  • Re: Catholic church complains that nine-year-old rape victim has abortion
     Reply #12 - March 07, 2009, 03:57 PM

    What if she wasn't allowed to scream and shout?

    Also do the NT or the Quran mention it?
  • Re: Catholic church complains that nine-year-old rape victim has abortion
     Reply #13 - March 07, 2009, 04:00 PM

    Is rape mentioned in any of the Abarahamic faiths books?

    Yep, OT prescribes the death penalty to rape --however, if the victim doesn't scream and shout, she is also killed. If I remember correctly.

    I've just found the verse-
    Quote
    Deuteronomy

    23 ?aIf there is a girl who is a virgin engaged to a man, and another man finds her in the city and lies with her,
      24 then you shall bring them both out to the gate of that city and you shall stone them 1to death; the girl, because she did not cry out in the city, and the man, because he has violated his neighbor?s wife. Thus you shall purge the evil from among you.
      25 ?But if in the field the man finds the girl who is engaged, and the man forces her and lies with her, then only the man who lies with her shall die.
      26 ?But you shall do nothing to the girl; there is no sin in the girl worthy of death, for just as a man rises against his neighbor and murders him, so is this case.
      27 ?When he found her in the field, the engaged girl cried out, but there was no one to save her.
      28 ?aIf a man finds a girl who is a virgin, who is not engaged, and seizes her and lies with her and they are discovered,
      29 then the man who lay with her shall give to the girl?s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall become his wife because he has violated her; he cannot divorce her all his days.


    That last part is sickening!
  • Re: Catholic church complains that nine-year-old rape victim has abortion
     Reply #14 - March 07, 2009, 04:07 PM

    Quote from: Old Testament
    If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death --the girl because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man's wife. You must purge the evil from among you. But if out in the country a man happens to meet a girl pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. Do nothing to the girl; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders his neighbor, for the man found the girl out in the country, and though the betrothed girl screamed, there was no one to rescue her.

    This is the exact quote.

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  • Re: Catholic church complains that nine-year-old rape victim has abortion
     Reply #15 - March 07, 2009, 04:34 PM

    Ixo posted this thread on FFI and dio is defending the church  Cheesy

    What I have realized is that the religious folks are for more interested in protecting the image and reputation of their religion than in the lives lost to it.

    I cant understand their stance, they're asking to murder all 3 people!

    Can you link me to the thread on FFI?


    This thread is in the Longe section, you have to be a member to access it, here's the link:

    http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1098&start=25

    I was not blessed with the ability to have blind faith. I cant beleive something just because someone says its true.
  • Re: Catholic church complains that nine-year-old rape victim has abortion
     Reply #16 - March 16, 2009, 08:04 PM

    The Vatican has reversed the excommunications...

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    The Vatican has backtracked over the excommunication of doctors in Brazil who performed an abortion on a nine-year-old daughter who became pregnant with twins after being raped by her 23 year old stepfather.

    Archbishop Rino Fisichella, President of the Pontifical Academy for Life, said the excommunication not only of the medical team but also of the girl's mother had been a mistake. "Before thinking about an excommunication it was necessary and urgent to save an innocent life", he said. The excommunication had been decided on and publicised "too hastily".

    Writing in L'Osservatore Romano, the Vatican newspaper, Archishop Fisichella noted that the excommunications had rebounded on the Church. "Unfortunately the credibility of our teaching was dented. It appeared in the eyes of many to be insensitive, incomprehensible and lacking in mercy." The girl "should have been above all defended, embraced, treated with sweetness to make her feel that we were all on her side, all of us, without distinction."

    Last week the National Conference of Brazilian Bishops admitted that the excommunications of the mother and doctors of the girl had been wrong. It said the girl's mother had acted "under pressure from the doctors", who told her the girl's life was at stake and she would die if she gave birth because she was physically immature.


    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article5917765.ece

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  • Re: Catholic church complains that nine-year-old rape victim has abortion
     Reply #17 - March 16, 2009, 08:07 PM

    Thats a big move - in effect they are saying abortion is ok, under certain circumstances.

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  • Re: Catholic church complains that nine-year-old rape victim has abortion
     Reply #18 - March 16, 2009, 08:22 PM

    Thats a big move - in effect they are saying abortion is ok, under certain circumstances.


    Sadly, no they are not.  They're just saying its not an unpardonable sin, but it is still a sin.

    Or more cynically, they are saying "we didn't realise how big a PR disaster this would create for the Catholic Church." 

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Catholic church complains that nine-year-old rape victim has abortion
     Reply #19 - March 16, 2009, 08:34 PM

    Thats a big move - in effect they are saying abortion is ok, under certain circumstances.


    Sadly, no they are not.  They're just saying its not an unpardonable sin, but it is still a sin.

    Or more cynically, they are saying "we didn't realise how big a PR disaster this would create for the Catholic Church." 


    Since when did the National Conference of Brazilian Bishops become God's Max Clifford?

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  • Re: Catholic church complains that nine-year-old rape victim has abortion
     Reply #20 - March 16, 2009, 08:48 PM

    Since the Vatican realised that formerly obedient populations like Brazil were now ready to challenge them over bullying tactics like excommunication.  Before that they were acting like God's bouncers.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Catholic church complains that nine-year-old rape victim has abortion
     Reply #21 - March 16, 2009, 09:48 PM

    From nightclub doormen to PR gurus...  our lot are still hangmen

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  • Re: Catholic church complains that nine-year-old rape victim has abortion
     Reply #22 - March 17, 2009, 03:48 PM

    Nothing beats the pope's newest plan of traveling through Africa preaching how using condoms to fight HIV is bad for your soul :\

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  • Re: Catholic church complains that nine-year-old rape victim has abortion
     Reply #23 - March 17, 2009, 03:50 PM

    Nothing beats the pope's newest plan of traveling through Africa preaching how using condoms to fight HIV is bad for your soul :\

    He should be banned from doing that.
  • Re: Catholic church complains that nine-year-old rape victim has abortion
     Reply #24 - March 17, 2009, 04:05 PM

    Nothing beats the pope's newest plan of traveling through Africa preaching how using condoms to fight HIV is bad for your soul :\

     
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  • Re: Catholic church complains that nine-year-old rape victim has abortion
     Reply #25 - March 17, 2009, 04:19 PM

    Nothing beats the pope's newest plan of traveling through Africa preaching how using condoms to fight HIV is bad for your soul :\


    That's the first I've heard of this.  Have you any links to news reports about it?

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  • Re: Catholic church complains that nine-year-old rape victim has abortion
     Reply #26 - March 17, 2009, 04:24 PM

    Nothing beats the pope's newest plan of traveling through Africa preaching how using condoms to fight HIV is bad for your soul :\


    That's the first I've heard of this.  Have you any links to news reports about it?


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/vaticancityandholysee/5005357/Pope-Benedict-XVI-condoms-make-Aids-crisis-worse.html

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  • Re: Catholic church complains that nine-year-old rape victim has abortion
     Reply #27 - March 17, 2009, 04:34 PM

    Ok, slight exaggeration from Tlaloc then, lol.  The Pope is visiting two African countries and has said in a press release that condoms aren't the answer to the AIDS crisis.

    He's talking bollocks of course, but it matters little whether he talks bollocks from Rome or Cameroon, its just as damaging.  When will religious people ever learn that preaching abstinence is not the answer to problems like AIDS?  Its unrealistic, sex education and available contraception would save more lives than setting an impossibly idealistic goal as the only acceptable solution.

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  • Re: Catholic church complains that nine-year-old rape victim has abortion
     Reply #28 - March 17, 2009, 11:15 PM

    Haha yes sorry, I exaggerated but... not by too much unfortunately Cry

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  • Re: Catholic church complains that nine-year-old rape victim has abortion
     Reply #29 - March 19, 2009, 10:25 PM

    Don't feel too bad about it. The Pope exaggerates too.Wink

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