Does a mosque still serve a purpose for you?

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Reply #30 - March 23, 2009, 07:27 AM

Quote from: belladonnasix on March 23, 2009, 06:57 AM
non religious funerals usually take place in funeral homes and so on. Instead of going through church, they just head straight there.

I want a tree planted over my grave.

I would like my corpse to be cremated.

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Reply #31 - March 23, 2009, 09:39 AM

Zoroastrians in India feed the corpse to vultures. Yep, you read that right!
I would probably want the same done to my corpse. I'd donate my eyes & whatever else to science, but I'm not magnanimous to donate my body.

Dunno why, but I like some sort of religious ritual at death.

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Reply #32 - March 23, 2009, 09:54 AM

The mosque still serves a purpose for me. Usually whenever I am dying to take a piss..

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Reply #33 - March 23, 2009, 12:30 PM

Quote from: Rashna on March 23, 2009, 09:39 AM
Zoroastrians in India feed the corpse to vultures. Yep, you read that right!
I would probably want the same done to my corpse. I'd donate my eyes & whatever else to science, but I'm not magnanimous to donate my body.

Zoroastrians place the body on top of a tower and let the vultures eat it! Unfortunately, vultures are becoming extinct. I really like that idea. Maybe it is because to me (correct me if i'm wrong), it doesn't give that much spiritual importance to the dead body.

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Reply #34 - March 23, 2009, 01:50 PM

Quote from: IsLame on March 23, 2009, 09:54 AM
The mosque still serves a purpose for me. Usually whenever I am dying to take a piss..

I'd rather hold it in then use those crappy squatmeisters that most UK mosques have.

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Reply #35 - March 23, 2009, 02:00 PM

Quote from: aliadiere on March 23, 2009, 12:30 PM
Quote from: Rashna on March 23, 2009, 09:39 AM
Zoroastrians in India feed the corpse to vultures. Yep, you read that right!
I would probably want the same done to my corpse. I'd donate my eyes & whatever else to science, but I'm not magnanimous to donate my body.

Zoroastrians place the body on top of a tower and let the vultures eat it! Unfortunately, vultures are becoming extinct. I really like that idea. Maybe it is because to me (correct me if i'm wrong), it doesn't give that much spiritual importance to the dead body.

Zoroastrians believe the physical body, after death, is an empty shell devoid of a soul; and one that isn't of huge importance to be buried with an elaborate coffin or tombstone. The dead body is, in fact, subject to decay and, therefore, a source of pollution. Burying it would pollute the earth: similarly, cremating it would pollute the sacred fire. Hence, the ancients came up with their own eco-friendly system. They left their dead, uncovered, on the slopes of mountains; to be devoured by wild animals and vultures. That way, the body did not pollute any of the elements and, in its terminal phase, was of some use to living creatures. Nowadays, with most Zoroastrians living in cities, the old ritual has had to adapt itself. Wild animals are hard to find. The modern practice is to leave the bodies in large open wells, popularly known as Towers of Silence; there for the flesh to be picked clean by vultures and the rays of the sun. The bones are periodically removed and buried.

Sadly just like vultures are becoming extinct, there is a palpable panic amongst Zoroastrians that their faith too is becoming extinct. From a peak of many millions and stretching from Iran to Afghanistan, it has dwindled to 150,000 or so. The Islamic jihad & subsequent Muslim rule in Iran was the primary cause of this decline, the majority of the world's Zoroastrians today reside in India, where their ancestors sought asylum to escape Islamic persecution.

Hopefully, there'll be a resurgence of both vultures & Zoroastrians!

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Reply #36 - March 23, 2009, 03:07 PM

Quote from: Rashna on March 23, 2009, 09:39 AM
Zoroastrians in India feed the corpse to vultures. Yep, you read that right!
I would probably want the same done to my corpse. I'd donate my eyes & whatever else to science, but I'm not magnanimous to donate my body.

Dunno why, but I like some sort of religious ritual at death.

I know, Rashna. Towers of silence and all that. Getting cremated is a lot easier than finding a tower of silence, though.

I think Tibetans also have a similar ritual, they cut the dead body into pieces and feed the pieces to wild birds. It is supposed to be a final act of kindness towards other creatures.

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Reply #37 - March 23, 2009, 03:27 PM

Quote from: Zaephon on March 23, 2009, 03:07 PM
Quote from: Rashna on March 23, 2009, 09:39 AM
Zoroastrians in India feed the corpse to vultures. Yep, you read that right!
I would probably want the same done to my corpse. I'd donate my eyes & whatever else to science, but I'm not magnanimous to donate my body.

Dunno why, but I like some sort of religious ritual at death.

I know, Rashna. Towers of silence and all that. Getting cremated is a lot easier than finding a tower of silence, though.

I think Tibetans also have a similar ritual, they cut the dead body into pieces and feed the pieces to wild birds. It is supposed to be a final act of kindness towards other creatures.

In the bigger cities of India, at least those which have a sizeable population of Zoroastrians, there are Towers, so if I die in India then I'll use those, if I'm in another country I'll be cremated.

I personally find something appealing in the idea of being of some use to other creatures at death & combining that with the religion of my(paternal) ancestors. Zoroastrianism is a nice faith-it teaches some great stuff & much of Zarathrushtra's words are really beautiful & uplifting, it doesn't have any sordid beliefs or practices & unfortunately this great ancient faith which contributed so many ideas to other faiths does not have may adherents at the present date, all of which makes me feel that since I was born to a Zoroastrian parent, I have a sort of obligation to stick to its rituals, at least at death.

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Reply #38 - March 23, 2009, 04:06 PM

Quote from: Rashna on March 23, 2009, 03:27 PM
In the bigger cities of India, at least those which have a sizeable population of Zoroastrians, there are Towers, so if I die in India then I'll use those, if I'm in another country I'll be cremated.

Dont these Towers of Silence produce quite a smell, after several bodies have been dumped to decay in them?

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Reply #39 - March 23, 2009, 04:14 PM

Quote from: IsLame on March 23, 2009, 04:06 PM
Quote from: Rashna on March 23, 2009, 03:27 PM
In the bigger cities of India, at least those which have a sizeable population of Zoroastrians, there are Towers, so if I die in India then I'll use those, if I'm in another country I'll be cremated.

Dont these Towers of Silence produce quite a smell, after several bodies have been dumped to decay in them?

Unless Zoroastrians are dying at alarming rates, I doubt they do!

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Reply #40 - March 23, 2009, 04:22 PM

If I am not wrong, Zoroastrians in India have good life expectancy compared to avarage Indian life expectancy. I don't have statastical proof however.
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Reply #41 - March 23, 2009, 04:26 PM

I am sending my corpse to a medical college so I can be disected and studied (and save the money of a burial and casket) . I'm hoping to be accepted at Yale.

My parents always wanted me to go to an Ivy league school.

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Reply #42 - March 23, 2009, 04:30 PM

Quote from: IsLame on March 23, 2009, 04:06 PM
Quote from: Rashna on March 23, 2009, 03:27 PM
In the bigger cities of India, at least those which have a sizeable population of Zoroastrians, there are Towers, so if I die in India then I'll use those, if I'm in another country I'll be cremated.

Dont these Towers of Silence produce quite a smell, after several bodies have been dumped to decay in them?

Nope, the Zoroastrians are very obsessed with cleanliness, the remains of the bodies are periodically cleaned & buried.

Quote from: Calm on March 23, 2009, 04:22 PM
If I am not wrong, Zoroastrians in India have good life expectancy compared to avarage Indian life expectancy. I don't have statastical proof however.

Zoroastrians are either upper middle class or rich, they're over represented amongst the richest of India, very few if any are poor and they have good life expectancy which comes with affluence. They're not dying at alarming rates. Actually, the total Zoroastrian population is miniscule & each city might have a few thousand.

Thus, no stinky Towers of Silence!

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Reply #43 - March 23, 2009, 05:52 PM

Quote from: Submissive Bob on March 23, 2009, 04:26 PM
I am sending my corpse to a medical college so I can be disected and studied (and save the money of a burial and casket) . I'm hoping to be accepted at Yale.

My parents always wanted me to go to an Ivy league school.

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Reply #44 - March 23, 2009, 06:10 PM

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Zoroastrians are either upper middle class or rich, they're over represented amongst the richest of India,

Is this an indirect way of saying that you were born into a super-billionaire family, Rashna?

Me jealous. Me wants money to buy cool, flashy things. Me sad.

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Reply #45 - March 23, 2009, 06:59 PM

Quote from: Zaephon on March 23, 2009, 06:10 PM
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Zoroastrians are either upper middle class or rich, they're over represented amongst the richest of India,

Is this an indirect way of saying that you were born into a super-billionaire family, Rashna?

Nope, I'm not born into some super billionaire family unfortunately for me. My dad's sis is married into a super rich family though. The Zoroastrians are a miniscule & pretty close knit community, I know quite a few richie rich people.

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