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  • More women in hell.
     OP - April 07, 2009, 08:46 PM

    There was recently a topic on Ummah.com where a person was saying that it seems a bit wrong that there are more women in hell than men and saying that she could not believe it.

    I responded with one sentence: "Women are deficient in intelligence and religion" and used the relevant hadith as evidence.

    I did not criticise or insult or anything. I just conveyed the facts of what the hadith say. Anyway, later I found that my post, and the posts responding to my post had been deleted! So they are now censoring authentic hadith as well!

    Why is that? Because they know that these hadith make Islam look bad?!

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

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  • Re: More women in hell.
     Reply #1 - April 07, 2009, 08:50 PM

    You got it in one. Congratulations. Grin

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  • Re: More women in hell.
     Reply #2 - April 07, 2009, 08:55 PM

    Depends how long you have been there, I have noticed I've got away with many posts. I think sometimes they think someone's just out to bash Muslims.
  • Re: More women in hell.
     Reply #3 - April 07, 2009, 08:55 PM

    Well we certainly won't be censoring any hadith on this forum, that's for sure.  Here are the relevent ahadith you're speaking of:

    Sahih Bukhari
    Volume 1, Book 6, Number 301:
    Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

    Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion."


    Sahih Bukhari
    Volume 2, Book 24, Number 541:
    Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri

    On 'Id ul Fitr or 'Id ul Adha Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) went out to the Musalla. After finishing the prayer, he delivered the sermon and ordered the people to give alms. He said, "O people! Give alms." Then he went towards the women and said. "O women! Give alms, for I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-Fire were you (women)." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is the reason for it?" He replied, "O women! You curse frequently, and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. O women, some of you can lead a cautious wise man astray." Then he left. And when he reached his house, Zainab, the wife of Ibn Masud, came and asked permission to enter It was said, "O Allah's Apostle! It is Zainab." He asked, 'Which Zainab?" The reply was that she was the wife of Ibn Mas'ub. He said, "Yes, allow her to enter." And she was admitted. Then she said, "O Prophet of Allah! Today you ordered people to give alms and I had an ornament and intended to give it as alms, but Ibn Masud said that he and his children deserved it more than anybody else." The Prophet replied, "Ibn Masud had spoken the truth. Your husband and your children had more right to it than anybody else."

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  • Re: More women in hell.
     Reply #4 - April 07, 2009, 09:08 PM

    There was recently a topic on Ummah.com where a person was saying that it seems a bit wrong that there are more women in hell than men and saying that she could not believe it.

    I responded with one sentence: "Women are deficient in intelligence and religion" and used the relevant hadith as evidence.

    I did not criticise or insult or anything. I just conveyed the facts of what the hadith say. Anyway, later I found that my post, and the posts responding to my post had been deleted! So they are now censoring authentic hadith as well!

    Why is that? Because they know that these hadith make Islam look bad?!

    Utterly utterly weird, because when I have debated this privately through email or online with muslim women they have been quick to defend Islam's viewpoint on women and won't listen to reason!

    "At 8:47 I do a grenade jump off a ladder."
  • Re: More women in hell.
     Reply #5 - April 08, 2009, 04:05 AM

     Cheesy Typical of Ummah.

    Did you get warning points or a ban?
  • Re: More women in hell.
     Reply #6 - April 08, 2009, 06:54 AM

    Depends how long you have been there, I have noticed I've got away with many posts. I think sometimes they think someone's just out to bash Muslims.


    Haha you got banned, if you think telling the female moderators they had no right to moderate you was one of the things that you got away with, got to ask yourself why they banned you.  Wink

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: More women in hell.
     Reply #7 - April 08, 2009, 07:46 AM

    I showed an old muslim friend my 'problems with Islam', and she wanted to affirm the Qur'an was true in this:

    Quote from: al-Qur'an, Surah az-Zukhruf, 43:18
    (Do they then like for All?h) a creature who is brought up in adornments (wearing silk and gold ornaments, i.e. women), and in dispute cannot make herself clear?

    She said "I cannot make myself clear in argument! Look at me now!" "Are you serious? You're just mad at me (she admitted she was crying at the news of my apostacy and how far gone I was), even I can't argue clear when I'm mad. Do you really think you're intellect is deficient?"

    *sigh*

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: More women in hell.
     Reply #8 - April 08, 2009, 07:51 AM

    There was recently a topic on Ummah.com where a person was saying that it seems a bit wrong that there are more women in hell than men and saying that she could not believe it.

    I responded with one sentence: "Women are deficient in intelligence and religion" and used the relevant hadith as evidence.

    I did not criticise or insult or anything. I just conveyed the facts of what the hadith say. Anyway, later I found that my post, and the posts responding to my post had been deleted! So they are now censoring authentic hadith as well!

    Why is that? Because they know that these hadith make Islam look bad?!

    It's so bizzare. I can understand how they lie to us... How do they lie to themselves?

    "It may happen that the enemies of Islam may consider it expedient not to take any action against Islam, if Islam leaves them alone in their geographical boundaries... But Islam cannot agree to this unless they submit to its authority by paying Jizyah"

    -Sayyid Qutb, Milestones
  • Re: More women in hell.
     Reply #9 - April 08, 2009, 08:47 AM

    Depends how long you have been there, I have noticed I've got away with many posts. I think sometimes they think someone's just out to bash Muslims.


    Haha you got banned, if you think telling the female moderators they had no right to moderate you was one of the things that you got away with, got to ask yourself why they banned you.  Wink


    I pushed that way over the top, but they did unban me, I've been banned a few times.
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