Anti-Niqab Campaign in Egypt

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Anti-Niqab Campaign in Egypt
OP - April 20, 2009, 03:52 PM

Egypt's Ministry of Religious Endowments has launched a campaign against wearing the full face veil known as a niqab in government jobs claiming it is not an obligation for Muslims.

The latest crackdown on the niqab follows a prohibition against nurses wearing the full face veil in hospitals.

In the first in a series of seminars aimed at eradicating the niqab from public posts held under the auspices of the Ministry of religious endowments Dr. Salem Abdel-Gelil, Deputy Minister of Religious Endowments for Preaching, explained to the ministry's face-veiled female employees that niqab is not an obligation in Islam and that the headscarf is enough.

" Niqab is a custom that has no basis in religion whether directly or indirectly "
Dr. Salem Abdel-Gelil, Deputy Minister of Religious Endowments for Preaching

"[N]iqab is a custom that has no basis in religion whether directly or indirectly," he told AlArabiya.net. "[A]ccording to the four schools of thought in Islam the face is not awra [a body part that has to be covered]."

Abdel-Gelil stressed that the Islamic dress code required covering the entire body with the exception of the face, feet, and hands and that it cannot be tight or transparent.

"Women performing hajj (pilgrimage) show their faces, and this is the ultimate proof that niqab is not a must."

There are two contradictory references attributed to one of the major Sunni imams Ahmed ibn Hanbal, founder of the Hanbali Sunni school of thought. One of them makes the face veil a requirement while the other says it is not an obligation.

"However, there was a consensus amongst Islamic jurists that covering the face is not required," said Abdel-Gelil, explaining that in Islam, jurists resolve contention through consensus.

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/04/20/71056.html

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Re: Anti-Niqab Campaign in Egypt
Reply #1 - April 20, 2009, 04:00 PM

Ugly Muslim women must be allowed to wear a niqab. The government should produce an ugly niqab for the shy or ugly.

I have no objections to women wearing one for non religious reasons like ugliness. These ugly people are doing sociality a favour by covering up.

Thank you

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Reply #2 - April 20, 2009, 04:02 PM

Quote from: A_G on April 20, 2009, 04:00 PM
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Reply #3 - April 20, 2009, 04:02 PM

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Reply #4 - April 20, 2009, 04:03 PM

Smite two on its way.

in regards to the article all i can say is go egypt. Its good because i cant stand the niqab.

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Re: Anti-Niqab Campaign in Egypt
Reply #5 - April 20, 2009, 04:17 PM

Quote from: Cheetah on April 20, 2009, 04:02 PM
Quote from: A_G on April 20, 2009, 04:00 PM
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Yeah whatever. Who does the quote in your sig belong to? If you don't answer me I'm removing it. I might smite you again too.

Have you tried wearing one? You might like it. Give it a go; you know you want to.

Interesting avatar. Seems you have a perverted fantasy about the subject.

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Reply #6 - April 20, 2009, 04:18 PM

Smite 2 - for more stupid, bigoted troll comments

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Re: Anti-Niqab Campaign in Egypt
Reply #7 - April 20, 2009, 04:23 PM

Quote from: Cheetah on April 20, 2009, 03:52 PM
Egypt's Ministry of Religious Endowments has launched a campaign against wearing the full face veil known as a niqab in government jobs claiming it is not an obligation for Muslims.

The latest crackdown on the niqab follows a prohibition against nurses wearing the full face veil in hospitals.

In the first in a series of seminars aimed at eradicating the niqab from public posts held under the auspices of the Ministry of religious endowments Dr. Salem Abdel-Gelil, Deputy Minister of Religious Endowments for Preaching, explained to the ministry's face-veiled female employees that niqab is not an obligation in Islam and that the headscarf is enough.

" Niqab is a custom that has no basis in religion whether directly or indirectly "
Dr. Salem Abdel-Gelil, Deputy Minister of Religious Endowments for Preaching

"[N]iqab is a custom that has no basis in religion whether directly or indirectly," he told AlArabiya.net. "[A]ccording to the four schools of thought in Islam the face is not awra [a body part that has to be covered]."

What a joke. Well, anything that gets women to take off more of the covering is okay, but to say that it has no basis in religion is a lie and a joke. And to pretend that this is anything other than a politically expedient campaign against the Salafees is a joke too. Although I'm all for stopping the Salafee movement, especially in the Arab lands, it's just so cynical. This isn't about correct religion or women's rights, it's about leveling a blow against a movement that poses significant political problems for the ruling regime.

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Reply #8 - April 20, 2009, 04:25 PM

I thought similar Fading. They are doing the right thing for the wrong reasons.

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Reply #9 - April 20, 2009, 05:50 PM

Quote from: A_G on April 20, 2009, 04:00 PM
Ugly Muslim women must be allowed to wear a niqab. The government should produce an ugly niqab for the shy or ugly.

I have no objections to women wearing one for non religious reasons like ugliness. These ugly people are doing sociality a favour by covering up.

Thank you

But seriously, what I don't understand is that 35 years ago Egypt was nothing like it is today. Ever since the 80's, things have just starting go more rigid and conservative as opposed to the liberal and laid back Islam. Btw, I think no niqab is a good thing, I don't mind hijabs THAT much, but niqabs are pathetic. When I talk to a person, I want to see their face dammit! I mean, facial expressions are important in conversations and it is not normal to dress up as a black mailbox.

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Reply #10 - April 20, 2009, 07:09 PM

Quote from: A_G on April 20, 2009, 04:17 PM
Quote from: Cheetah on April 20, 2009, 04:02 PM
Quote from: A_G on April 20, 2009, 04:00 PM
Blah blah

Yeah whatever. Who does the quote in your sig belong to? If you don't answer me I'm removing it. I might smite you again too.

Have you tried wearing one? You might like it. Give it a go; you know you want to.

Interesting avatar. Seems you have a perverted fantasy about the subject.

If you actually bothered to read instead of just trolling you'd know that Berbs wore the niqab for years, for religious and cultural reasons only.

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Reply #11 - April 20, 2009, 09:15 PM

Ugly women should wear niqabs? What about Hamza , Qatada , Bakri et al ? Would any kind and merciful deity really want his children to have to gaze upon such monstrosities ? I've long suspected there was a mistranslation , just like the 72 virgins / raisins affair ? It's the wahhabi boys that need the curtains
seriously , I'm sure this is a politically motivated gesture , but it's still welcome . As human beings we instinctively respond to each others facial expressions - noone would accept a teacher or doctor in a balaclava , niqabs are no better
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Reply #12 - May 01, 2009, 09:07 PM

According to my local paper , a senior Tower Hamlets official has announced that the council must do more to encourage women in hijabs & niqabs to take jobs with the council . This bothers me on a couple of levels - 1- why should any particular group be encouraged into jobs ? 2 - These things have a way of becoming compulsory . just look at pictures of streets or crowds in Palestine / Iran / Iraq or Afghanistan from 10 - 20 years ago compared with now . ..
3 - if I have to deal with an official , whos wages I'm helping to pay , I expect to see their face
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