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OP - May 27, 2009, 02:59 AM

They actually make the most sense to because:

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"but where does the Quran say that? "

Where does the Quran say what? To follow only what God revealed? Surah 7:3
What does the Quran say about traditions of men/adding to Books:
2:170, 2:175, 2:99, 3:24, 3:78, 4:42, 5:104, 6:38, 6:159, 6:21-24, 6:114-116, 8:24, 10:36, 16:105, 17:73-77, 18:27, 18:56, 28:65-66, 31:6, 34:44, 43:22-24, 45:6, 52:34, 68:44, 69:44-46, 66:50

I did not look up all the surats, but just the phrase, " traditions of men/adding to Books", causes my sympathy for those that have a problem with these things. However, I consider the Quran to be also these things...but if I considered the Quran to be a holy book...would not all these surats about traditions of men and adding to books mean that we are not to trust the Hadith?

I understand it is also a good way to avoid the subject of Mohammed's pedophilia. If I were a Muslim, I'd want nothing to do with that. Who would want a pedophile for a prophet?
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Reply #1 - May 27, 2009, 08:17 AM

The hadiths are just stories about the Prophet. They are basically the Quran put in practice and so allow us to understand it's rules and the history of it better. As for paedophilia, even without the hadiths the Quran itself allows a man to marry a girl of any age (including before puberty) so it doesn't solve anything.

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Reply #2 - May 27, 2009, 01:22 PM

Quote from: Shaneequa on May 27, 2009, 02:59 AM
Who would want a pedophile for a prophet?

People with your kind of mindset, from Islamic backgrounds!

They'll explain away pedophilia, just like you manage to explain away unpleasant stuff done by your God & even refuse to accept carbon dating.

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Reply #3 - May 27, 2009, 03:06 PM

Quote from: PeruvianSkies on May 27, 2009, 08:17 AM
The hadiths are just stories about the Prophet. They are basically the Quran put in practice and so allow us to understand it's rules and the history of it better. As for paedophilia, even without the hadiths the Quran itself allows a man to marry a girl of any age (including before puberty) so it doesn't solve anything.

Excellent point - I remember a thread on this which included the quote - do you know where I can find it?

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Reply #4 - May 27, 2009, 03:08 PM

no worries - found it:

And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the 'Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months, and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death]. And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is until they deliver (their burdens), and whosoever fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him. S. 65:4 Hilali-Khan

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Reply #5 - May 27, 2009, 03:11 PM

Quote from: Shaneequa on May 27, 2009, 02:59 AM
They actually make the most sense to because:

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raginggaijin has replied to your comment on The Way Of The Master : Satanism (Part 2 of 3):

"but where does the Quran say that? "

Where does the Quran say what? To follow only what God revealed? Surah 7:3
What does the Quran say about traditions of men/adding to Books:
2:170, 2:175, 2:99, 3:24, 3:78, 4:42, 5:104, 6:38, 6:159, 6:21-24, 6:114-116, 8:24, 10:36, 16:105, 17:73-77, 18:27, 18:56, 28:65-66, 31:6, 34:44, 43:22-24, 45:6, 52:34, 68:44, 69:44-46, 66:50

I did not look up all the surats, but just the phrase, " traditions of men/adding to Books", causes my sympathy for those that have a problem with these things. However, I consider the Quran to be also these things...but if I considered the Quran to be a holy book...would not all these surats about traditions of men and adding to books mean that we are not to trust the Hadith?

I understand it is also a good way to avoid the subject of Mohammed's pedophilia. If I were a Muslim, I'd want nothing to do with that. Who would want a pedophile for a prophet?

Precisely, thats what Christians have already done with the dodgiest bits in the bible. Doent say much for God though does it, mere mortals checking his work and having to tippex out his mistakes for him? This God is more like a 5 year old kid!

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Reply #6 - May 29, 2009, 08:24 PM

The problem with Qur'an only, which crops up time and again and to no satisfactory conclusion, things hinted at in the Qur'an suggest extra-Qur'anic revelations, the fact that the method of salah only comes to us from ahadith, and certain injunctions can be completely avoided without the ahadith.

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Reply #7 - May 30, 2009, 06:00 AM

90% of my family are Quran-onlies... they're convinced that all of the Islamic world's follies are based on the hadiths...

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Reply #8 - May 30, 2009, 07:32 AM

Quote from: belladonnasix on May 30, 2009, 06:00 AM
90% of my family are Quran-onlies... they're convinced that all of the Islamic world's follies are based on the hadiths and surahs...

Yes, that's what attracts many Muslims these days to the idea of Qur'an-Only! But the fact is that it doesn't solve all the problems - not by a looooooooooong way.
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Reply #9 - May 30, 2009, 07:42 AM

Quote from: Shaneequa on May 27, 2009, 02:59 AM

I understand it is also a good way to avoid the subject of Mohammed's pedophilia. If I were a Muslim, I'd want nothing to do with that. Who would want a pedophile for a prophet?

No, of course not. I can see you are a person of logic and would never fall for anything unpleasant and stupid as Islam.

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Reply #10 - May 30, 2009, 08:10 AM

Quote from: Rashna on May 27, 2009, 01:22 PM
Quote from: Shaneequa on May 27, 2009, 02:59 AM
Who would want a pedophile for a prophet?

People with your kind of mindset, from Islamic backgrounds!

They'll explain away pedophilia, just like you manage to explain away unpleasant stuff done by your God & even refuse to accept carbon dating.

We don't even use carbon dating for evolution/age of the earth, it is limited to only 50,000 - 60,000 years, we use Uranium lead dating, and potassium-argon dating.

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Reply #11 - May 30, 2009, 08:22 AM

Quote from: IsLame on May 27, 2009, 03:08 PM
no worries - found it:

And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the 'Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months, and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death]. And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is until they deliver (their burdens), and whosoever fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him. S. 65:4 Hilali-Khan

This does not necessarily mean the nikah is consummated when she has not reached her menses it actually applies to engaged women i.e. prepubescent girls you are engaged to at life at their own house and not at the house of the man they are engaged to. See as Mohammed being engaged to Aisha when she was 6, the reason for this custom was, that tribal wars broke out and to strengthen alliances tribes used to intermarry, and get engaged. The 'iddah was just a waiting period so as to save the woman from some slander or getting re-married to fast after divorce and in-case she was pregnant.

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Reply #12 - May 30, 2009, 08:29 AM

Check out: Marriage customs of the world - By George Monger it is available to read for free on google books, but I would suggest getting an e-reader.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=o8JlWxBYs40C

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Reply #13 - May 30, 2009, 08:43 AM

Quote from: belladonnasix on May 30, 2009, 06:00 AM
90% of my family are Quran-onlies... they're convinced that all of the Islamic world's follies are based on the hadiths...

Hi Bella - havent heard from you in a while. I find there are more quran-only's in the west, I suppose they have not been brought up with the culture of knowing hadith and quran go hand in hand together, so it is easier for them to simply remove the hadith from the equation.

It is sad though as the myth will last longer without it. Who decided whether hadith were sahih or not, was it a caliph or al-azhar?

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