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  • Ex-Muslim writes on persecution of the non-religious
     OP - December 14, 2012, 07:16 PM


    Remember hearing about this guy before and he's pretty on point with everything.

    Glad he's safe now.

    From the Independent.

    ++++++++++


    The Freedom of Thought 2012 report: the non-religious are still being persecuted


    By Waleed Alhusseini

    Like many non-religious people around the world, I use the internet to express my thoughts. Especially in a country where the vast majority believe in one religion, and do not like to hear any criticisms, the internet provides a relatively safe way of speaking freely. Or so I thought.

    I ran a blog in Arabic called Nour Alakl. I was also active on Facebook, running a satirical page under the pseudonym of Allah. In October 2010 I was arrested in the street near an internet cafe. I had believed that I had a right to the freedom of speech and to the freedom of belief.

    But in jail I was told that my online statements about religion and Islam were illegal. I was told that society didn’t accept such criticisms. I was beaten by prison guards who demanded to know who had made me write against Islam. In their minds, I could only say these things as the result of some plot, some conspiracy. That I might simply want to express my independent thoughts was alien to them.

    I spent the worst 10 months of my life in a Palestinian jail, facing constant pressure to say I was sorry. I was told they had removed my blog and that I must apologise for publishing it. Even once I free I was told I should never again use the internet, nor meet the media. For months after my release I was harassed by the security services, who further interrogated me and detained me without cause. I received letters from people saying they wanted to kill me.

    My views, however, cannot be changed by a prison sentence or by persecution. I still believe the religion of Islam often stands against human rights and against women. I still believe Muhammad demanded in the Qu’ran the death of those who were not Muslims. Many Muslims may disagree with my view, or may find a way to understand religion in a moderate way. But I cannot accept this religion myself. That is what my thought and my conscience tell me. I am an atheist. I believe in human rights. I have the right to say these things.

    Whose fault was it that I was treated so? It is religion, but also a culture. Certainly some people simply cannot stand to live alongside someone who does not conform to their views.

    Eventually, I left the West Bank for Jordan. I obtained a visa from the French embassy. I am now in Paris, having applied for asylum. I am still awaiting an answer after six months. It has become harder and harder. From here I do have chance to blog in Arabic and in English as “Proud Atheist”. But I am now effectively in exile. I am living alone in a foreign city, cut off from friends and family. All over words.

    I still do not feel safe. If I cannot stay, if I am not protected, then maybe the Palestinian authorities will arrest me again. That is my fear. I want to be active, but safety is my priority. I want the international community to care for those like me who are persecuted simply for speaking their minds, to stand against the laws in any country which limits basic freedoms of thought and expression. For we are human and freedom only means living our lives without hurting others.

    The international community should care more than they do about what is happening. But there are many of us who need to talk, to reach out, even if we are using fake accounts on Facebook. We must express ourselves and our thoughts. We simply must be allowed this basic freedom.

    This week the International Humanist and Ethical Union published the Freedom of Thought 2012 report to mark Human Rights Day. The report is a necessary step in the right direction. For the first time, many countries which abuse the rights of the non-religious are indexed and exposed, and cases like mine are documented under the banner of discrimination against the non-religious. This report will grow in the coming years, and I hope anyone concerned about human rights will take note and hold their countries to account.

    http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2012/12/14/the-freedom-of-thought-2012-report-the-non-religious-are-still-being-persecuted/


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  • Ex-Muslim writes on persecution of the non-religious
     Reply #1 - December 14, 2012, 08:36 PM

    Thanks for the article, Waleed's facebook page is very interesting.

    Teach us to care and not to care / Teach us to sit still.
    What do we live for; if it is not to make life less difficult to each other
    You are the music while the music lasts.
    T.S.Eliot
  • Ex-Muslim writes on persecution of the non-religious
     Reply #2 - December 14, 2012, 08:41 PM

    Quote from his FB back in 2010 ... so very true:
    اينما حل الاسلام ، حل معه الظلم و اراقة الدماء، افغانستان، القاعده، الصومال، ايران، مجاهدي الجزائر و في الدول التي بها اقلية اسلاميه يصبحون مُفجرين و قتله ناكري جميل الناس الذين اعطوهم الفرصة بالحياة. لا ادري لماذا لا تعطينى انت مثالاً على بلد واحد تحقق فيه الاسلام الحقيقي وازدهرت و تكدست عندهم الاموال وصار الناس يعيشون في سعادة متمتعين بكل حرياتهم..او اخبرني إن كان هناك بلد اوروبي استفاد من هجرة المسلمين اليه؟

    Teach us to care and not to care / Teach us to sit still.
    What do we live for; if it is not to make life less difficult to each other
    You are the music while the music lasts.
    T.S.Eliot
  • Ex-Muslim writes on persecution of the non-religious
     Reply #3 - December 14, 2012, 11:09 PM

    'The truth' must be not be questioned or criticised.  Roll Eyes

    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Ex-Muslim writes on persecution of the non-religious
     Reply #4 - December 14, 2012, 11:39 PM

    Quote
    اخبرني إن كان هناك بلد اوروبي استفاد من هجرة المسلمين اليه؟


    I understand that it's fashionable in some circles to question the net benefits of Muslim migration to Europe, but the fact remains that a majority of the members of this site would not be here were it not for such a phenomenon. It's probably best to assume that this was a feat of overblown rhetoric, but it does make one raise an eyebrow.
  • Ex-Muslim writes on persecution of the non-religious
     Reply #5 - December 14, 2012, 11:42 PM

    We get enough of that crap from the other side, we don't really need to be saying the same thing ourselves and doing the work for them.

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Ex-Muslim writes on persecution of the non-religious
     Reply #6 - December 15, 2012, 12:40 AM

    I understand that it's fashionable in some circles to question the net benefits of Muslim migration to Europe, but the fact remains that a majority of the members of this site would not be here were it not for such a phenomenon. It's probably best to assume that this was a feat of overblown rhetoric, but it does make one raise an eyebrow.


    Yes he is saying we / our fathers have benefited from migrating to the west, but the west has not benefited from Muslim migrants, most are so ungrateful and constantly criticising the countries that gave them so much (more than what their own Muslim countries gave them).  I agree if we / our parents didn't migrate to the west this community would have not come to light or was able to speak up.

    Teach us to care and not to care / Teach us to sit still.
    What do we live for; if it is not to make life less difficult to each other
    You are the music while the music lasts.
    T.S.Eliot
  • Ex-Muslim writes on persecution of the non-religious
     Reply #7 - December 15, 2012, 12:42 AM

    So immigrants and their descendents don't have the right to criticise but natives do? Also, is there any proof (other than the Daily Mail comments section) that most Muslims 'aren't grateful'?

    Also, why should an economic migrant anywhere have to be considered either 'grateful' or a waste of space? Can't we have more nuanced views and not be seen as good or bad?

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Ex-Muslim writes on persecution of the non-religious
     Reply #8 - December 15, 2012, 12:52 AM

    What are you talking about? What's daily mail to do with it... speak to any Muslim here in the UK or go to any Friday prayer speech and you'll hear Muslims constantly criticising ....

    It may not be the case where you live though.

    Teach us to care and not to care / Teach us to sit still.
    What do we live for; if it is not to make life less difficult to each other
    You are the music while the music lasts.
    T.S.Eliot
  • Ex-Muslim writes on persecution of the non-religious
     Reply #9 - December 15, 2012, 01:10 AM

    Read the Daily Mail or Telegraph comments sections and you'll see all sorts of 'constantly criticising'.

    Why single Muslims out for exercising the same rights as anyone else?
  • Ex-Muslim writes on persecution of the non-religious
     Reply #10 - December 15, 2012, 09:37 AM

    Exactly, why don't Muslims have the right that all other citizens do, IE, to criticise?

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Ex-Muslim writes on persecution of the non-religious
     Reply #11 - December 15, 2012, 10:08 AM

    I think she's referring to the "outbreed the filthy kuffar" and the strongly tribal, separatist, hostile mentality that a lot of European Muslims have; this whole "multiculturalism has failed" mantra that is currently popular in Europe is due to the failure of Muslim immigrants to assimilate and be productive citizens of the countries in which they reside.
  • Ex-Muslim writes on persecution of the non-religious
     Reply #12 - December 15, 2012, 10:13 AM

    Muslim immigrants were brought from poor parts of the third world to Europe for cheap labour, no incentives were taken to integrate them and then very few were taken afterwards, and now their kids take the blame. Come on.

    Anyway, tribalism is common in all parts of European society, Muslims, non-muslims, natives, non-natives, it's a giant mess, and I agree it needs to be worked against and fought against, but I don't like muslims taking the blame for being guilty of what everyone is participating in, working against these attitudes is one thing, but putting the blame entirely in the hands of muslims is another. Also, no one seems to ask why British Muslims feel 'more British' on average than whites and then accusing whites of not being 'British' enough. Double standards?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jun/30/ethnic-minorities-uk-british-research

    Just to reiterate, I'm all for introspection and changing the views of Muslims in  regards to how they see non-muslims or ex-muslims and further integration etc, but I don't believe they should be solely blamed for the ills of society as a whole.

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Ex-Muslim writes on persecution of the non-religious
     Reply #13 - December 15, 2012, 01:10 PM


    There is a huge difference between criticism and hate and racism!

    I to am one who is tired of the racist attitude by muslims. I agree this is a result of the superiority complex of most european nations who saw themselves historically better at least at the height of their civilsations which is also the most recent in the world.  But the attitude of muslims who grew up in this country, enjoyed its rights and freedoms, gained scholarships to university and understand the culture more so then any outsider or their parents against the very countries that have helped them be where they are today is pure hypocrisy. I've always supported making hijra to a muslim country for this very reason. Why stay here if they don't like it so much??

  • Ex-Muslim writes on persecution of the non-religious
     Reply #14 - December 15, 2012, 07:38 PM

    I think there should more inter-mingling. At least in the US, there are less options to live in a secluded community that has people only of one specific type. You HAVE to interact with many different people on a daily basis, which is why we haven't had as much as an issue as Europe in terms of integrations (We're not perfect by no means mind you). There needs to be more inter-mingling, that's the only way ignorance can be cured. AND to be clear this isn't just for Muslims, this is for Europeans as well to get involved. Integration takes everyone not just the immigrant.  If Europeans keep distancing themselves it will get worst. More kids need to play together, more people need to have the opportunity to work together, more celebrations and festivities together. The fact remains if you move to country you need to abide by their rules. The country you live in was made prosperous by laws and people different from your own and you need should respect that.

    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Ex-Muslim writes on persecution of the non-religious
     Reply #15 - December 17, 2012, 09:37 AM


    Sakura I completely agree with you! There needs to be acceptance and intermingling from both sides like in America.
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