Those who did not hear of Islam would go to Paradise

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Those who did not hear of Islam would go to Paradise
OP - November 25, 2009, 10:39 PM

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Those who did not hear of Islam would go to Paradise

Then we should ensure no one hears about Islam?

Yes?

It would be one of the most compassionate thing we can do for another individual?

What say folks?

Are you compassionate enough to do this?

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Re: Those who did not hear of Islam would go to Paradise
Reply #1 - November 25, 2009, 10:51 PM

That is funny.

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Re: Those who did not hear of Islam would go to Paradise
Reply #2 - November 25, 2009, 10:51 PM

I guess we should start an anti-dawah mission that would consist of slashing tires of daees who plan to visit virgin-kafir territory.

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Re: Those who did not hear of Islam would go to Paradise
Reply #3 - November 25, 2009, 10:52 PM

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Re: Those who did not hear of Islam would go to Paradise
Reply #4 - November 25, 2009, 10:56 PM

Well said Rubaiyat.

If those who haven't heard about Islam go to paradise then Muhammad should've kept his mouth shut. He should've kept his hallucinations to himself.

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Re: Those who did not hear of Islam would go to Paradise
Reply #5 - November 25, 2009, 11:07 PM

I already responded to this objection in that thread. Guess you did not read which is understandable as I myself have a hard time following the swarm of posts of that topic. Please do not divert the discussion as I hardly have time to deal with the many members who post in that topic.
If you have further objections to any of my posts please post it there.

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Re: Those who did not hear of Islam would go to Paradise
Reply #6 - November 25, 2009, 11:16 PM

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I already responded to this objection in that thread. Guess you did not read which is understandable as I myself have a hard time following the swarm of posts of that topic. Please do not divert the discussion as I hardly have time to deal with the many members who post in that topic.
If you have further objections to any of my posts please post it there.

There is no obligation for you to respond to any of the post.

So don't worry.

I did not expect you to respond to this.

It is just for amusement for the rest of us because I already heard the replies to this questions many times before ;-)

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Re: Those who did not hear of Islam would go to Paradise
Reply #7 - November 26, 2009, 02:45 AM

From what I understand, there is a school of thought within the Hanafi school that the minimum requirement is belief in God and if a person rejects Islam because of what was being presented was a distorted implementation, he won't be held responsible for rejecting Islam.

If Islam is all about peace, tolerance and Justice then almost every Islamic movement out there is a distorted implementation.

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Reply #8 - November 26, 2009, 04:41 AM

?Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?" Sheikh: "No, not if you did not know." Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"?

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Reply #9 - November 26, 2009, 04:54 AM

Quote from: Angel54 on November 26, 2009, 04:41 AM
?Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?" Sheikh: "No, not if you did not know." Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"?

That is too funny.
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Reply #10 - November 26, 2009, 07:06 AM

Quote from: Shahid Raza on November 25, 2009, 10:56 PM
Well said Rubaiyat.

If those who haven't heard about Islam go to paradise then Muhammad should've kept his mouth shut. He should've kept his hallucinations to himself.

I say: Kill those who spread Islam. Shame on you Dawwa people.... you make people go to hell!

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Reply #11 - November 26, 2009, 09:48 AM

Quote from: Angel54 on November 26, 2009, 04:41 AM
?Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?" Sheikh: "No, not if you did not know." Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"?

Darn, ya beat me too it, I love that joke, because it points out such a silly paradox.

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Reply #12 - November 27, 2009, 01:53 AM

great idea!

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Re: Those who did not hear of Islam would go to Paradise
Reply #13 - November 28, 2009, 02:42 AM

Quote from: Rubaiyat on November 25, 2009, 10:39 PM
From Saleem1111

Then we should ensure no one hears about Islam?

Yes?

It would be one of the most compassionate thing we can do for another individual?

What say folks?

Are you compassionate enough to do this?

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Re: Those who did not hear of Islam would go to Paradise
Reply #14 - November 28, 2009, 03:00 AM

Quote from: Rubaiyat on November 25, 2009, 10:39 PM
From Saleem1111
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Those who did not hear of Islam would go to Paradise

Then we should ensure no one hears about Islam?

Yes?

It would be one of the most compassionate thing we can do for another individual?

What say folks?

Are you compassionate enough to do this?

Salem1111 is wrong to state that.

According to Islam, or at least the view of Ahlul Sunnah (Sunni's), those who have not heard the Message, will be judged too, and can indeed be thrown in 'Hell'. There is no guarantee that they will automatically enter 'Paradise'.

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Re: Those who did not hear of Islam would go to Paradise
Reply #15 - November 28, 2009, 12:44 PM

thats true - you could also argue that giving you Islam gives you the tools to being a better person and make it more likely for you to go to heaven.

On the flip side, I would say heaven is unfairly biased to those that live within a certain radius of Arabia.

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Reply #16 - November 28, 2009, 08:08 PM

Quote from: Ibn Saba on November 28, 2009, 03:00 AM
According to Islam, or at least the view of Ahlul Sunnah (Sunni's), those who have not heard the Message, will be judged too, and can indeed be thrown in 'Hell'. There is no guarantee that they will automatically enter 'Paradise'.

Judged for what?

Not worshipping God as he demands?

or not behaving nicely?

In that case God does not need to send the Quran does he?

He can judge them on their merit as good person or not

and not following Islam.

And does not have to bother with sending prophets etc... what a complete waste of time that was. It only caused confusion! ;-)

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Re: Those who did not hear of Islam would go to Paradise
Reply #17 - December 09, 2009, 06:29 PM

You would be judged as to whether you would accept the Message or not. Whether you accept God or not. Not about behaving nicely.

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Re: Those who did not hear of Islam would go to Paradise
Reply #18 - December 09, 2009, 06:34 PM

the theory is that by accepting the message, it makes you a better person..

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Re: Those who did not hear of Islam would go to Paradise
Reply #19 - December 09, 2009, 11:17 PM

and also if you are a sinning Muslim, one day after years of eternal damnation, you eventually end up in heaven
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Reply #20 - December 11, 2009, 12:24 AM

Quote from: Ibn Saba on December 09, 2009, 06:29 PM
You would be judged as to whether you would accept the Message or not. Whether you accept God or not. Not about behaving nicely.

That don't make sense.

How can they be judge on a message they have not heard?

Surely they can only be judged on how well they behaved?

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Re: Those who did not hear of Islam would go to Paradise
Reply #21 - December 12, 2009, 09:04 AM

"Is there a God? Is there a point to life before heaven? If God wants what is best for everyone it could immediately place everyone in heaven. If we want what is best for our children, we could kill them, and then God would send them to heaven because they were innocent. That we do not do this means that there is no God, no heaven, or that there is some purpose to life and evil. However, there is no such purpose. Babies who die (for example, in natural disasters) go to heaven, therefore there is no essential point of life, nor any essential reason that we have to endure suffering and go through the tests of life before we can go to heaven. This shows no moral God exists."

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Re: Those who did not hear of Islam would go to Paradise
Reply #22 - December 12, 2009, 11:26 AM

Quote from: _truth_ on December 09, 2009, 11:17 PM
and also if you are a sinning Muslim, one day after years of eternal damnation, you eventually end up in heaven

for real?

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