Honour Killings

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Honour Killings
OP - November 02, 2009, 01:34 PM

I don't know if this has been discussed, but I was wondering if honour killings are permitted in Islam. There have been honour killings from other religions so it does make me wonder if it's something cultural, but is there a verse in the quran or in any hadiths that this is allowed?

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Reply #1 - November 02, 2009, 01:45 PM

From what I understand it is cultural, however, I have heard people use the story of Musa going on a journey in a boat to several places 8:60-82 - events happening that seem unjust but when viewed in the larger context are just. I've heard some honour killings being done on such grounds - but that seems to be a bastardised understanding of the parable.

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Reply #2 - November 02, 2009, 01:48 PM

There is at least one thread on this somewhere - probably more - but briefly Islam does not directly order or condone Honour Killing, but the fact that Islam places a great deal of the burden of a societies morality at the feet of women helps create the sort of environment and communities that allow such a thing to happen in the name of honour!
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Reply #3 - November 02, 2009, 04:23 PM

+1

I will add that murder, disbelief and zina are all held at equal level in the koran. Does the koran directly order the death of apostates as well? No it does not. It is the hadith that orders the death of apostates. As for adulterers, the hadith is not as harsh against them except for the few stonings muhammad ordered.

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Reply #4 - November 02, 2009, 04:39 PM

Quote from: Baal on November 02, 2009, 04:23 PM
+1

I will add that murder, disbelief and zina are all held at equal level in the koran. Does the koran directly order the death of apostates as well? No it does not. It is the hadith that orders the death of apostates.

Even if the Quran does not say it, the authenticated hadith say so:

Sahih Bukhari 4:260
The Prophet said, 'If a Muslim discards his religion, kill him.'

The only reason the Quran did not say it is because at the time the emphasis was on spreading the belief, not retaining it.

In any case the Quran is filled with vitriolic verses against non-believers and people guilty of crimes against Islamic morality.

All in all it creates a culture of retribution & violence that spills into honour killings & mindless violence.

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Re: Honour Killings
Reply #5 - November 02, 2009, 04:47 PM

The murderers got 20 years? What about the cops who let it happen? I say give them 20 years too-- in general pop. Fuckhead cops, they should rot for letting that poor girl die. But if it's anything like the US, they'll get a written warning or reprimand at most. I hope her boyfriend at least can get legal standing to sue the PD and the officers involved.

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