My horrible Eid

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Re: My horrible Eid
Reply #30 - September 21, 2009, 08:38 PM

Quote from: pakman on September 21, 2009, 08:33 PM
Its like the elephant in the room, she knows I'm a skeptic and I read Ibn Warraq openly in front of her and every now and then raise the odd difficult question. But she doesn't want to face it because she can't stand the idea of beng married to a kafir. We were discussing giving the kids an Islamic education the other day, I insisted I didn't want them to go to the Mosque and will teach them Islam myself.

Things are getting harder and I will have to have that conversation one day. She is also a big mouth and will tell everyone which means I will be ostricised.

Damn I just need a break from this Muslim life.

Fortunately for me my missus knows about the doubts i've had and all the books i've been reading. She is aware of my apostasy but just wants me to keep quiet about it and not broadcast it to everyone and sundry.
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Re: My horrible Eid
Reply #31 - September 21, 2009, 08:40 PM

But my wife is seriously into religion and living with an apostate in not an option for her.

Take the Pakman challenge and convince me there is a God and Mo was not a murdering, power hungry sex maniac.
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Re: My horrible Eid
Reply #32 - September 21, 2009, 08:40 PM

It'll come out in a heated argument one day, so you might prefer to do it in a more controlled fashion. From what you describe there, it looks like she already knows your reasons so you have done well to get this far.

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Re: My horrible Eid
Reply #33 - September 21, 2009, 08:43 PM

This really isn't easy, every day is a struggle, it is really starting to depress me.

Take the Pakman challenge and convince me there is a God and Mo was not a murdering, power hungry sex maniac.
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Reply #34 - September 21, 2009, 08:46 PM

Quote from: pakman on September 21, 2009, 08:43 PM
This really isn't easy, every day is a struggle, it is really starting to depress me.

I bet it is. It's not often we have religious discussions in our extended family (if ever) but having to look at someone and politely grin at them for quoting a "prophetic wisdom" makes me wanna slash my wrists!
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Reply #35 - September 21, 2009, 08:53 PM

Yes Thats what I felt like listening to my mothers lecture on Islam and how wonderful praying and fasting is.

Take the Pakman challenge and convince me there is a God and Mo was not a murdering, power hungry sex maniac.
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Reply #36 - September 21, 2009, 08:56 PM

Quote from: Omaar Khayaam on September 21, 2009, 08:46 PM
..but having to look at someone and politely grin at them for quoting a "prophetic wisdom" makes me wanna slash my wrists!

Thats exactly how I feel - it makes me feel so false

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Reply #37 - September 21, 2009, 08:59 PM

What I hate the most, is the way they are just so smug and arrogant about their beliefs. Almost like God has chosen them so they can understand message. They come across as morally superior when they are the ones justifying burying homosexuals alive and paedophilia.

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Re: My horrible Eid
Reply #38 - September 21, 2009, 08:59 PM

Quote from: IsLame on September 21, 2009, 08:56 PM
Thats exactly how I feel - it makes me feel so false

The amount of text messages I got on eid morning with "lovely quotes" was phenomenal and the best one was asking for a dua to bless the ummah with khilafah! WTF
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Re: My horrible Eid
Reply #39 - September 21, 2009, 09:01 PM

You know some HTers. Still dreaming about their crazy Khilafah

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Reply #40 - September 21, 2009, 09:06 PM

Quote from: pakman on September 21, 2009, 09:01 PM
You know some HTers. Still dreaming about their crazy Khilafah

They are possibly the worst people to tell about your apostasy, cos they will have a ready made list of self confessed apostates to execute if they do get their evil caliphate.
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Reply #41 - September 21, 2009, 09:53 PM

Quote from: Omaar Khayaam on September 21, 2009, 09:06 PM
They are possibly the worst people to tell about your apostasy, cos they will have a ready made list of self confessed apostates to execute if they do get their evil caliphate.

I doubt they're going to be that patient

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Re: My horrible Eid
Reply #42 - September 22, 2009, 01:36 AM

Quote from: Omaar Khayaam on September 21, 2009, 08:30 PM
...And why not? How long is he gonna keep something like this from her? After all I'm sure he doesn't want to live a lie and neither does he want to pretend to his children?

He will keep it for as long as it takes Omaar. Unless he is the my way or the highway kind of guy.

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Reply #43 - September 22, 2009, 07:46 AM

Quote from: IsLame on September 21, 2009, 08:59 PM
What I hate the most, is the way they are just so smug and arrogant about their beliefs. Almost like God has chosen them so they can understand message. T

Thats coz thats how they feel. Forgive them their trespasses

Ha Ha.
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Reply #44 - September 22, 2009, 10:23 AM

Quote from: Jack Torrance on September 22, 2009, 07:46 AM
Thats coz thats how they feel.

Insightful response Jack, that one blew me away..

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Reply #45 - September 22, 2009, 10:34 AM

Quote from: Jack Torrance on September 22, 2009, 07:46 AM
Thats coz thats how they feel. Forgive them their trespasses

For the individual this feeling they have called "iman" is something subjective and is real to them. They can afterall just dismiss what you say to them by saying that it's a gift that Allah has bestowed upon them and no amount of debates and discussions is going to change their position. I have noticed that with friend and family members that using terms like "objective" means nothing to them because what they are experiencing is real for them and afterall the judgement in the akhirah from Allah is solely for the individual. At this point the discussion can't really go any further unless they are willing to concede that other people from other faiths have similar experiences and the accumulation of all that doesn't really tell you the truth of your own religion or the subjective experience itself.
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Re: My horrible Eid
Reply #46 - September 22, 2009, 11:17 AM

Quote from: IsLame on September 22, 2009, 10:23 AM
Insightful response Jack, that one blew me away..

It was just for you, as you seem very fond of commenting on what i post

It's true anyway - what do you want to do - club them into your way of thinking? I think if people are honest, and speak their mind truthfully, then that s all that matters - them accepting that you may not feel the same way, and vice versa. There something you don't want to give, Islame, I feel. I can't put it any clearer, sorry.

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Re: My horrible Eid
Reply #47 - September 22, 2009, 12:23 PM

lol yee my parents use the concept of hell to scare me sometimes but im not too intimidated now, one reason is because my mum does not really mean it (just a scare tactic to stop me doing unislamic things), secondly, logically speaking, I highly doubt that hell exists, considering the lack of evidence for a god. I am pretty sure if empirical evidence for such a god is non-existent then along go the claims of Hell as well. At least that is what I keep reminding myself.

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Re: My horrible Eid
Reply #48 - September 23, 2009, 05:57 AM

Quote from: pakman on September 20, 2009, 10:14 PM
My horrible Eid started when I woke up late (8.30am on a Sunday) and realized that I hadn't done any Eid shopping for myself. So I just wore normal clothes and had breakfast. By this time I realized that I had missed Eid prayers so I just went straight to my in laws for lunch. En route my wife decided to stop outside a shopping centre and asked me to wait for her. She emerged 30 minutes later with 2 shopping bags and SUPRISE shw had bought me some Eid clothes without even asking me if i wanted any. Do i just told her she could return them tomorrow becausr i didnt fancy driving home to change again. So a small argument ensued.After a fairly bland meal at the in laws I watched the football and went to visit my mum. Instead of getting the usual hugs and kisses my mother yelled at me for missing Eid prayers. She then sat me down and gave me an hour lecture about how I was drifting away from the faith and didn't even care about the basics anymore. She threw all sorts of hadith at me and I was so tempted to tell her I didn't believe anymore. After that angry lecture we went home and put the kids to sleep. My wife then decided to start an argument about my lack of care about Eid as a whole.

All in all it's been a shit day for me. I hope all Eids are not like this.

A very depressed Pakman

my eid sucked too!! Omg so I wore a shirt with an animal as an undershirt, and after prayers I took my sweater off and my grandma SPAZZED like literally went on aboutlosing faith, and invalid eid prayers, and I seriously just ignored her the rest of the day. I was SO angry. This too after enduring the smelliest crowd ever and beign stuck in underground parking for an hour.

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