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  • Hallucinations
     OP - May 07, 2013, 10:16 AM

    Wonderful BBC prog has just commented that in the nineteenth century people who were too religious were thought to be suffering from religious mania.....

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    Hallucinations aren't what they used to be. Time was when reporting a divine vision would bring fame or fortune, and have a queue of people wanting to touch your robe, receive a blessing, or recommend you for sainthood. The Enlightenment changed our view of hallucination and nowadays you'd be more at risk of being handed a prescription for a major tranquilliser or even sectioned under the Mental Health Act for reporting what you saw or heard. Hallucinating, in essence, the experience of seeing or hearing (and sometimes smelling or touching) something that by any objective measure, isn't there, has been linked to a wide variety of causes. From the use of mind-altering substances such as LSD, to the complex collection of often distressing symptoms labelled schizophrenia. Neurological damage, dementia, post-traumatic stress disorder, depression, stress, narcolepsy - all these and more have been linked to hallucination. But there are also examples of otherwise 'healthy' individuals who have experienced vivid and sometimes distressing hallucinations which for most of the last century, science has largely overlooked. But with the advent of fMRI scanning, where researchers can observe the hallucinating brain in action, it is these "healthy" individuals who are beginning to open the doors of perception and which may provide new insights and treatments for psychosis and schizophrenia.

    In this programme, Geoff Watts meets researchers attempting to unlock the mysteries of hallucination as well as some of those who experience the phenomenon. Geoff visits Dr Dominic Ffytche of the Institute of Psychiatry in London, and undergoes a stroboscopic experiment designed to induce hallucinations in subjects whilst their brains are being scanned. We hear some of the vivid accounts from hallucinators, including Doris, who has macular degeneration. Over the last year, her failing eyesight has resulted in an array of objects and images appearing before her with startling clarity, from relatively benign baskets of flowers to the rather more distressing sight of dark, haunting figures sitting by her bed. Her condition is known as Charles Bonnet Syndrome and Dr Ffytche estimates that over 2 million people suffer from this in the UK alone, mostly in silence, due to the fear of being labelled as 'mad'. Geoff also visits Kelly Diederen's lab at Cambridge University, which is investigating the origin of auditory hallucinations - hearing voices. Common in people with schizophrenia, Dr Diederen is instead, scanning the brains of so-called "healthy hallucinators", individuals who otherwise lead perfectly functional lives save for the fact that they hear voices on a daily basis. Could they hold the key to understanding and treating a key symptom of psychosis? And Geoff talks to internationally renowned neurologist and author, Dr Oliver Sacks, about his own experience of hallucination as well as his new book on the subject.  SHOW LESS

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01nbq6d

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  • Hallucinations
     Reply #1 - May 07, 2013, 11:52 AM

    Wonderful BBC prog has just commented that in the nineteenth century people who were too religious were thought to be suffering from religious mania.....

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01nbq6d

     Yap..


    Salvia divinorum

    That is an interesting subject with reference to cults/religions and chemicals that interact with brain moi..  

    That book "Drugs for dreaming"  By Gianluca Toro, Benjamin Thomas -
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    The first comprehensive guide to oneirogens--naturally occurring substances that induce and enhance dreaming • Includes extensive monographs on dream-enhancing substances derived from plant, animal, and human sources • Presents the results of scientific experiments on the effects of using oneirogens • Shows how studies in this area of ethnobotany can yield a scientific understanding of the mysterious mechanism of dreams Oneirogens are plant and animal substances that have long been used to facilitate powerful and productive dreaming.  

     is a good one to read on that subject. There is a little doubt on many of the cult leaders in the past have used these plant  chemicals  along with brain washing talks  to control their followers.  The important question is,  Are there any peptide based neuro-chemicals that are synthesized in the brain  that have similar effects as these plant deliriums? I am sure there must be some that need to be extracted and purified from human brain..  

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  • Hallucinations
     Reply #2 - May 07, 2013, 12:00 PM

    Has anyone studied if the Islamic prayer rituals induce altered states of consciousness?  Chanting a language you do not understand and ritual movements have got to have interesting effects.  How would one go about fixing brain monitoring stuff to someone praying?

    I assume sufism has no problem with equivalents to waccybaccy, but what of other Islamic groups?

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


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    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Hallucinations
     Reply #3 - May 07, 2013, 12:03 PM

    Has anyone studied if the Islamic prayer rituals induce altered states of consciousness?  .........

     Cheesy Cheesy

    it certainly puts more oxygen in to the brain .. I hope Muslim bums don't take that  and make it as another Islamic science miracle.

    Any ways  this is a good one to watch

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Hallucinations
     Reply #4 - May 07, 2013, 12:51 PM

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    it certainly puts more oxygen in to the brain

    Ugh you just reminded me of those annoying sheiks who take so long in sajda, and I literally get dizzy from having my head move up after being down for so long.

    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • Hallucinations
     Reply #5 - May 07, 2013, 01:06 PM

    Ugh ....... sajda, .........get dizzy ..........

    good for your head... as long as it is NOT for allah doll  Cheesy

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nGy54nT-ug

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Hallucinations
     Reply #6 - May 07, 2013, 10:21 PM

    Has anyone studied if the Islamic prayer rituals induce altered states of consciousness? Chanting a language you do not understand and ritual movements have got to have interesting effects.

    I'd say it's bound to have some effect. Some meditation exercises are based on distracting your attention without catching it, if that makes sense (probably doesn't). The classic listening exercise is an example. By focusing on random sounds in the evironment around you, you end up with your conscious thoughts knocked out. The noises take your attention but do not have meaning assigned to them, so they don't trigger thought. Short version is you end up too busy to think, in effect. Anyone who has done it will know what I mean.

    Tibetan chanting is another example. Most people will watch what the monks are doing in that situation. "Oh, look at the funny hatz!" The ritual isn't meant to be watched. It's meant to be listened to. It's a variation on what I described above, and can be very effective.

    So, I'd say that if someone was right into it, as opposed to just going through the motions and thinking about their next bonk, then chanting Arabic prayers when you don't understand Arabic could definitely have a similar effect.

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  • Hallucinations
     Reply #7 - May 07, 2013, 10:33 PM

    I would definitely say the prescribed salaat is a type of meditation. I went through a devout period where I prayed every fard and sunnah salaat I knew of, and I always felt so clear and calm afterward. At the time I attributed it to my strengthening deen, but now I know it was simply the effect of an intense, (un)focused meditation session. I did understand everything I recited, but I recall being more in tune with the sound and rhythm of the words rather than their meaning.

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