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OP - December 19, 2009, 02:00 AM

I was recently discussing Islam with a very knowledgeable Muslim man. I can remember Reading on this forum that the story about the old woman who used to throw rubbish on Mo and then she didn't one day and mo went around to check on her, you know the one. Anyway I read here that there is no evidence for that story and that it has been falsely attributed to Mo. But this guy told me it's in the Quran and even quoted the verse. I looked like a right plonker (I do anyway)

Can anyone advise

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Reply #1 - December 19, 2009, 02:45 AM

I'm sure it's not in the Qur'an. What exactly did he recite to you? Did he mention chapter and verse numbers?

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Reply #2 - December 19, 2009, 03:04 AM

It's 100% not in the Qu'ran.

Apart from it being a famous story, it's authenticity can be questioned. Whether it was fabricated or not, I don't know.

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Reply #3 - December 19, 2009, 05:21 AM

That verse is not in the Quran. He lied to you about the verse number, which some people do, maybe because they don't think you'll call their bluff on it. I believe the story is said to be a hadith, but it actually comes from the Bahai faith.

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Reply #4 - December 19, 2009, 05:39 AM

Liar liar pants on fire.

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Reply #5 - December 19, 2009, 06:09 AM

Tell the "knowledgeable" muslim that he is a fucking tool. Last time I checked, there is not a single verse in the Qur'an which talks about garbage and filth being thrown on top of Muhammad.

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Reply #6 - December 19, 2009, 07:06 AM

He pulled a Zakir Naik on you.

"Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
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Reply #7 - December 19, 2009, 08:33 AM

Didn't the quraysh throw guts on Mo while he praying at the ka'ba tho right?

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Reply #8 - December 19, 2009, 08:45 AM

yeah but that was in the hadith, sahih bukhari, and then he prayed to Allah to curse all of them, the next day one of them was found dead in a well
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Reply #9 - December 19, 2009, 09:36 AM

Quote from: BlackDog on December 19, 2009, 08:45 AM
yeah but that was in the hadith, sahih bukhari, and then he prayed to Allah to curse all of them, the next day one of them was found dead in a well

And of course such an event will be passed down in Islam as an example of Muhammads perfect knowledge of knowing what will happen in the future.

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Reply #10 - December 19, 2009, 10:00 AM

But this guy is really sincere peeps, he believed what he said. He quoted something in Arabic and then translated it. The verse he qouted doesn't narrate the whole story but refers to it. Has anyone heard of that verse.

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Reply #11 - December 19, 2009, 10:10 AM

I would have treated the vrse with suspicion from the beginning as the Quran tends to stick to rules rather than stories of events - thats what the hadith are for.

Did you not check his verse against an online Quran?

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Reply #12 - December 19, 2009, 10:14 AM

can you let us know what verse it is?

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Reply #13 - December 19, 2009, 11:33 AM

yes pakman please find out, ask him, inquire more info, to be honest i have never come across this either, not in the quran at least
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Reply #14 - December 19, 2009, 02:37 PM

Quote from: pakman on December 19, 2009, 10:00 AM
But this guy is really sincere peeps, he believed what he said. He quoted something in Arabic and then translated it. The verse he qouted doesn't narrate the whole story but refers to it. Has anyone heard of that verse.

Are you sure he is even referring to a Qu'ranic verse? That the quote in Arabic is a verse at all? It could possibly be something else he is talking about, unless of course he stated the verse/chapter number..etc

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Reply #15 - December 19, 2009, 03:11 PM

Can't remember verse but it was surah nisa

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Reply #16 - December 19, 2009, 03:21 PM

Nope, nothing as such in that Surah, and in the entire Qu'ran.

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