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  • Re: getting out the closet
     Reply #30 - January 12, 2010, 02:32 PM
    But then he must have believed when he married her?
  • Re: getting out the closet
     Reply #31 - January 12, 2010, 02:38 PM
    Quote from: pure.virtual on January 12, 2010, 12:50 PM
    maybe so...maybe he was forced by my mother not to tell or influence us kids...

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  • Re: getting out the closet
     Reply #32 - January 12, 2010, 02:44 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on January 12, 2010, 02:38 PM
    Who rules the roost in your household?

    haha my father by way too much if you ask me...but especially in this topic i think he might be stepping back
    i think he didn't believe when they got married...it was a fixed marriage
  • Re: getting out the closet
     Reply #33 - January 12, 2010, 02:57 PM
    Perhaps he is not 100% sure, and thought it would be unfair to turn you into a pariah & impose Hell upon you in case he was wrong.

    I bet he was so relieved & happy when you told him though  Afro

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  • Re: getting out the closet
     Reply #34 - January 12, 2010, 03:14 PM
    oh..........we did before i told him i don't believe in god  whistling2

    i fight mom for jomaa prayer, granting him the right not to pray...he returned the favor with a red label  dance
  • Re: getting out the closet
     Reply #35 - January 12, 2010, 03:23 PM
    So I'm guessing your dad is more a Fatah kinda guy, rather than a Hamas kinda guy?
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: getting out the closet
     Reply #36 - January 12, 2010, 03:27 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on January 12, 2010, 03:23 PM
    So I'm guessing your dad is more a Fatah kinda guy, rather than a Hamas kinda guy?

    actually he hates fateh thousands of times more than hamas...
    he likes the Turkish ataturk approach the best
  • Re: getting out the closet
     Reply #37 - January 12, 2010, 03:28 PM
    haha, So he's just pure awesome. No strings attached. Nice.

    I mentioned that because I remember I had a couple of Palestinian friends back in Uni who were hardcore Fatah (their dads were some important officials in the party I think) and were quite secular/atheistic.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: getting out the closet
     Reply #38 - January 12, 2010, 03:30 PM
    Quote from: pure.virtual on January 12, 2010, 03:27 PM
    actually he hates fateh thousands of times more than hamas...
    he likes the Turkish ataturk approach the best


    Virtual... what do you think of Dr. Moustafa Barghouti?
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

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  • Re: getting out the closet
     Reply #39 - January 12, 2010, 03:38 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on January 12, 2010, 03:30 PM
    Virtual... what do you think of Dr. Moustafa Barghouti?

    well if you are a Palestinian politician and getting your election money directly from the USAID, a budget that exceeds by far any other rival including fateh and hamas....you must have some connections with the Americans, which is always bad in my dictionary

    Quote from: Iblis on January 12, 2010, 03:28 PM
    haha, So he's just pure awesome. No strings attached. Nice.

    I mentioned that because I remember I had a couple of Palestinian friends back in Uni who were hardcore Fatah (their dads were some important officials in the party I think) and were quite secular/atheistic.

    you can get that...but we have a saying in palestine, if he is alive he properly don't deserves to, most of the good ones are taken down by isreal

    on the other hand and on a personal level, i am kind of the person that will vote for hamas (kinda give them more string to hang themselves with), but i will definitely support abbas(not fateh and yes there is a deference)
  • Re: getting out the closet
     Reply #40 - January 12, 2010, 03:46 PM
    Quote from: pure.virtual on January 12, 2010, 03:38 PM
    well if you are a Palestinian politician and getting your election money directly from the USAID, a budget that exceeds by far any other rival including fateh and hamas....you must have some connections with the Americans, which is always is bad in my dictionary


    So in other words you are saying that he is a lackey of the Americans?  Judging from what I have seen he seems to be a rather genuinely peaceful person and a true, educated moderate.  He doesn't talk like the others I have heard.  And he's also an independent.  But obviously I cannot see the whole picture from here.

    Quote from: pure.virtual on January 12, 2010, 03:38 PM
    on the other hand and on a personal level, i am kind of the person that will vote for hamas (kinda give them more string to hang themselves)


    I can understand your reasoning but the problem is that they will hang a lot of innocent people in the process as well...
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

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  • Re: getting out the closet
     Reply #41 - January 12, 2010, 04:02 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on January 12, 2010, 03:46 PM
    So in other words you are saying that he is a lackey of the Americans?  Judging from what I have seen he seems to be a rather genuinely peaceful person and a true, educated moderate.  He doesn't talk like the others I have heard.  And he's also an independent.  But obviously I cannot see the whole picture from here.

    trust me he is a wanna be at all costs, including the people

    Quote from: ras111 on January 12, 2010, 03:46 PM
    I can understand your reasoning but the problem is that they will hang a lot of innocent people in the process as well...

    man you voting against them won't solve anything...if they lose in elections they will start to subside bomb Israel again leading the Israeli forces to kill a several of thousands people in the process, and the people will like them for that as they always did

    best solution let them rule and show what they are made off, unless you have the balls and the power to erase the first line out of our constitution(state religion is Islam) and them in the same time
  • Re: getting out the closet
     Reply #42 - January 12, 2010, 04:38 PM
    Quote from: pure.virtual on January 12, 2010, 04:02 PM
    the first line out of our constitution(state religion is Islam)


    Oh really? I didn't know that. Do you have a link you could direct us to, that has the constitution?
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: getting out the closet
     Reply #43 - January 12, 2010, 04:46 PM
    we have no constitution...we have a basic law that substitutes as a constitution for now
    it is in Arabic but it is listed under 3.4
    Quote
    Article (4): religion and the source of legislation and the language
    Islam is the official religion in Palestine and other religions respect and sanctity of
    Principles of Islamic Sharia the main source of legislation.
    Arabic is the official language.

    Quote
    مادة (4): الدين ومصدر التشريع واللغة
    الإسلام هو الدين الرسمي في فلسطين ولسائر الديانات السماوية احترامها وقدسيتها
    مبادئ الشريعة الإسلامية مصدر رئيسي للتشريع.
    اللغة العربية هي اللغة الرسمية.


    http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%82%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%88%D9%86_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A3%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%B3%D9%8A_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%81%D9%84%D8%B3%D8%B7%D9%8A%D9%86%D9%8A_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B9%D8%AF%D9%84_2003#.D9.85.D8.A7.D8.AF.D8.A9_.284.29:_.D8.A7.D9.84.D8.AF.D9.8A.D9.86_.D9.88.D9.85.D8.B5.D8.AF.D8.B1_.D8.A7.D9.84.D8.AA.D8.B4.D8.B1.D9.8A .D8.B9_.D9.88.D8.A7.D9.84.D9.84.D8.BA.D8.A9

    http://translate.google.ps/translate?hl=ar&sl=ar&tl=en&u=http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25D8%25A7%25D9%2584%25D9%2582%25D8%25A7%25D9%2586%25D9%2588%25D9%2586_%25D8%25A7%25D9%2584%25D8%25A3%25D8%25B3%25D8%25A7%25D8%25B3%25D9%258A_%25D8%25A7%25D9%2584%25D9%2581%25D9%2584%25D8%25B3%25D8%25B7%25D9%258A%25D9%2586%25D9%258A_%25D8%25A7%25D9%2584%25D9%2585%25D8%25B9%25D8%25AF%25D9%2584_2003
  • Re: getting out the closet
     Reply #44 - January 12, 2010, 04:52 PM
    better yet this is a draft of the upcoming intended constitution of ours in english

    just search for islam in the text
    Quote
    Article (2)
    Palestine is part of the Arab homeland. The state of Palestine abides by the Charter of the League of Arab States. The Palestinian people are part of the Arab and Islamic nations. Arab unity is a goal. The Palestinian people work on behalf of its realization.

    Quote
    Article (5)
    Arabic is the official language and Islam is the official religion in Palestine. Christianity and all other monotheistic religions are accorded sanctity and respect. The constitution guarantees equality in rights and duties to all citizens irrespective of their religious creed.

    Quote
    Article (7)
    The principles of the Islamic shari`a are a main source for legislation. The followers of the monotheistic religions and shall have their personal status and religious affairs organized according to their shari?as and religious denominations within the framework of [positive] law, while preserving the unity and independence of the Palestinian people.


    http://www.palestinianbasiclaw.org/2003-permanent-constitution-draft
  • Re: getting out the closet
     Reply #45 - January 12, 2010, 04:54 PM
    Interesting. Thanks for the info. Is this for both Gaza and the West Bank areas? I'd also be interested in when this was enshrined... at what point in history.
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: getting out the closet
     Reply #46 - January 12, 2010, 05:34 PM
    for the constitution it was 2003 that the first draft came out

    for the basic law you have draft from the PLO in 1993-1994 i am not sure exactly
    and the final amendment of basic law was in 2005

    and it is for both WB and gaza

    actually the constitution is pretty good towards christians and jews, and i can't seem to find any law that incriminates abandoning Islam since we have had historically a communist party and affiliated parties that is considered respected in our law and political history but not that quite in the eyes of the average person

    on another note president Abbas and Arafat before him cerebrate Christmas in Bethlehem every year, and i think they give and still give special funds for Samaritans and all Christian churches
    ...............................

    funny facts: we had 2 Jewish ministers in the first cabinet back in Tunisia, and we still hold Jewish members in the PLO central committee ranks
  • Re: getting out the closet
     Reply #47 - January 12, 2010, 08:05 PM
    Well that's good. But isn't that going against the Quran? The Jizya part I mean? And being humiliated?
  • Re: getting out the closet
     Reply #48 - January 12, 2010, 08:25 PM
    yes...never too late to include it in though
  • Re: getting out the closet
     Reply #49 - January 12, 2010, 08:37 PM
    The fucking irony if they did that. I think this being cool with other Monotheistic religions (they don't mention non-monotheistic, non-religious though or Judaism by name lol) is out of political reasons. There are many Palestinian Christians, it would look bad if they were non included as equal under the law. Plus the government would have zero international support if they went along with the Pact of Umar.
  • Re: getting out the closet
     Reply #50 - January 12, 2010, 08:53 PM
    Wow, that constitution totally hates on Palestinian Hindus!
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: getting out the closet
     Reply #51 - January 12, 2010, 09:15 PM
    Brother Iblis, its not like they don't have a choice? Revert to Islam and you will be blessed in this world and in the next. Mashallah Allah provides with the best of paths. Marshmallows I mean Mashallah.
  • Re: getting out the closet
     Reply #52 - January 13, 2010, 09:55 AM
    Wow. Cheesy Your dad is so supportive and cool.  far away hug
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