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  • Muslim converts 'not Islamic enough' for their adopted son to have a brother
     OP - October 18, 2008, 01:34 PM

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    Muslim converts 'not Islamic enough' for their adopted son to have a brother

    Moroccan authorities were happy for boy to make a home in Britain but officials in Surrey were not so sure


    When Robert and Jo Garofalo decided they wanted to adopt a child in Morocco they knew it would not be easy. Although the law in the Muslim state had been changed to allow foreign adoptions, the couple were required to convert to Islam first.

    But in the end it was not the Moroccan authorities that proved the biggest hurdle for the film director and his wife — it was their own local social services. For three months, during which Mrs Garofalo lived with their adopted son in a rented flat in Tangier, the couple were subjected to a series of what they believe were unecessarily harsh and intrusive interviews in which every aspect of their lives was scrutinised. Finally they were approved and were able to bring young Samuel back to their home, where he has thrived.

    So when, earlier this year, they approached Surrey social services for approval to adopt again from the same Moroccan orphanage, they were surprised to discover that they would have to go through the whole process again. The couple were particularly concerned that, in order to assess Samuel’s “attachment” to them, he would have to be monitored and even filmed while playing.

    Equally disconcerting was that even though social workers indicated in an initial report that they would be prepared to support the second application, the couple were left with the impression that they were being asked to do more to show they were living a Muslim lifestyle.

    “The Moroccan orphanage felt it would be good for Samuel to have a brother and were very positive and encouraging. They were happy with the way we dealt with Samuel’s cultural and religious needs,” Mrs Garofalo, a 40-year-old actress, said. But this was not enough for Surrey, who made clear that an assessment would go ahead only if the couple proved that they were making enough effort to live a Muslim lifestyle.

    In their report, social workers noted that although the couple had stated their religion was Islam “there is no outward sign that this is a Muslim family . . . Joanne and Robert are aware that the socio-religious element is an aspect of Samuel’s identity and heritage which this agency takes very seriously.” It recommended that “particular attention be given to sharing techniques and strategies with Joanne and Robert that will enhance their children’s sense of identity and legacy, particularly in view of their very public statement they made deciding to convert to Islam in order to adopt”.

    Mrs Garofalo said: “The social workers made it clear that we should be seen to be ‘keeping Samuel’s culture alive’ by showing signs of it in our house. But what does that mean? He has to know about English life, as well as knowing where he comes from.

    “Did they really expect me to be covered up, sitting on a prayer mat? When we’d converted to Islam so that we could adopt Samuel, there’d been no clause in the paperwork saying we had to put the Koran in our entrance.

    “We might not be leading an outwardly Muslim lifestyle, but we are sensitive and respectful to Samuel’s background. We remain close friends with the orphanage manager, Naima, and next year are even flying out to her daughter’s wedding and taking Samuel with us. Surely this shows we are sensitive to his roots?”

    The couple have since abandoned their plans to adopt again. “I’d love more kids. We’re older parents and we felt it would be good for Samuel to have a brother from the same orphanage. We could easily bring up another child, but we wouldn’t put Samuel through any more stress and disruption,” Mrs Garofalo said.

    She believes that her experience is indicative of a bureaucratic system that pays too much attention to political correctness and too little to the needs of children who face a bleak future in developing countries.

    >>> Full article <<<


    I mean ignoring the fact that they actually had to convert to Islam before being allowed to adopt (adoption being haram  wacko lol) a child from Morocco, it's not muslims hounding them for not being muslim enough, it's our own fucking social workers.  finmad


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Muslim converts 'not Islamic enough' for their adopted son to have a brother
     Reply #1 - October 18, 2008, 01:41 PM

    That's crazy.  Do they not know the difference between Morroccan culture and the Islamic religion?  Is there no such thing as a Morroccan non-muslim? wacko

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  • Re: Muslim converts 'not Islamic enough' for their adopted son to have a brother
     Reply #2 - October 18, 2008, 01:43 PM

    Well, maybe it's time to face facts and admit that the UK is toast.  Write it off and emigrate to someplace saner.

  • Re: Muslim converts 'not Islamic enough' for their adopted son to have a brother
     Reply #3 - October 18, 2008, 01:45 PM

    Is there no such thing as a Morroccan non-muslim? wacko


    Well I'm actually a well kept secret see.  Tongue

    However registering a child at the moroccan embassy means Islam has to be involved.  Even the name chosen has to match a list of Islamic names that are allowed for a child. 

    I can see why Morocco still has to go through it's backward laws, and why the couple would do a fake conversion, but to then have social services at this end try to enforce that conversion on a more day to day basis, that I can not understand vomit

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Muslim converts 'not Islamic enough' for their adopted son to have a brother
     Reply #4 - October 18, 2008, 01:46 PM

    Well, maybe it's time to face facts and admit that the UK is toast.  Write it off and emigrate to someplace saner.




    Ha, if only emigrating was as easy as going on holiday, especially when you are not a refugee lol

    Anyway, I'm not writing this place off, things will change eventually.........I hope.  wacko

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  • Re: Muslim converts 'not Islamic enough' for their adopted son to have a brother
     Reply #5 - October 18, 2008, 02:23 PM

    Well, maybe it's time to face facts and admit that the UK is toast.  Write it off and emigrate to someplace saner.



    There is only one place saner than the UK, Finland. You emmigrate if you want, and then write back to tell us about the SAD and the suicide rate.

    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Muslim converts 'not Islamic enough' for their adopted son to have a brother
     Reply #6 - October 18, 2008, 03:32 PM

    Well, maybe it's time to face facts and admit that the UK is toast.  Write it off and emigrate to someplace saner.



    There is only one place saner than the UK, Finland. You emmigrate if you want, and then write back to tell us about the SAD and the suicide rate.


    I know about SAD, I've got it myself.  Fortunately, bright lights and high grade marijuana works wonders.  But what is the deal with the suicide rate?

  • Re: Muslim converts 'not Islamic enough' for their adopted son to have a brother
     Reply #7 - October 19, 2008, 04:02 PM

    How sad.

    Let's just leave all the orphans in the orphanage, of course they'd be better off not having parents at all than growing up in a 'non-Islamic' family.

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  • Re: Muslim converts 'not Islamic enough' for their adopted son to have a brother
     Reply #8 - October 19, 2008, 11:22 PM

    This couple converted to Islam, and are now complaining that they are being called out on a lie??? 

    If they didn't genuinely want to convert to Islam, but where just desperate to get a baby, what was wrong with China?  Plenty of overflowing orphanages there. Or Malawi, where Madonna got her baby from, no requirement to convert to Islam there.

    Its just the usual orientalist nonsense I have referred to on this forum before.  Islam looks quite sexy, lets convert.  Oh no, hang on, it involves prayer and fasting, and gasp an actual belief system.  So let's apostate, and pretend its all Islam's fault rather than our own fickle nature.

     

  • Re: Muslim converts 'not Islamic enough' for their adopted son to have a brother
     Reply #9 - October 20, 2008, 08:30 AM

    This couple converted to Islam, and are now complaining that they are being called out on a lie??? 

    If they didn't genuinely want to convert to Islam, but where just desperate to get a baby, what was wrong with China?  Plenty of overflowing orphanages there. Or Malawi, where Madonna got her baby from, no requirement to convert to Islam there.

    Its just the usual orientalist nonsense I have referred to on this forum before.  Islam looks quite sexy, lets convert.  Oh no, hang on, it involves prayer and fasting, and gasp an actual belief system.  So let's apostate, and pretend its all Islam's fault rather than our own fickle nature.

     




    Maybe they wanted to save a once Muslim child, not a Communist child :p It's sad that people convert before they know enough about the religion.
  • Re: Muslim converts 'not Islamic enough' for their adopted son to have a brother
     Reply #10 - October 20, 2008, 11:15 AM

    Well, from what I have witnessed, the UK Social Services are masters at screwing things up.  A mixed Bengali-Pakistani family I know had a run in with Social Services and it nearly ruined their family and I think they are now divorcing due to all the stress caused by Social Serivces' interference in how they raise their children (and they do a VERY good job I might add!).

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  • Re: Muslim converts 'not Islamic enough' for their adopted son to have a brother
     Reply #11 - October 20, 2008, 11:29 AM

    This couple converted to Islam, and are now complaining that they are being called out on a lie??? 

    If they didn't genuinely want to convert to Islam, but where just desperate to get a baby, what was wrong with China?  Plenty of overflowing orphanages there. Or Malawi, where Madonna got her baby from, no requirement to convert to Islam there.

    Its just the usual orientalist nonsense I have referred to on this forum before.  Islam looks quite sexy, lets convert.  Oh no, hang on, it involves prayer and fasting, and gasp an actual belief system.  So let's apostate, and pretend its all Islam's fault rather than our own fickle nature.

     



    A fair point , Goldie, but the name Garofalo isn't an ethnically British one and it makes me wonder if they might have a closer racial affiliation with Morocco that might make them prefer a child from there.

    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Muslim converts 'not Islamic enough' for their adopted son to have a brother
     Reply #12 - October 20, 2008, 11:32 AM

    Well, maybe it's time to face facts and admit that the UK is toast.  Write it off and emigrate to someplace saner.



    There is only one place saner than the UK, Finland. You emmigrate if you want, and then write back to tell us about the SAD and the suicide rate.


    I know about SAD, I've got it myself.  Fortunately, bright lights and high grade marijuana works wonders.  But what is the deal with the suicide rate?



    I thought bright lights and hash didn't work so well together. Anyway, SAD is my usual annual condition but the bright lights don't go with my other one.
    The suicide rate up north has always been greater in the winter than down towards the equator.

    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Muslim converts 'not Islamic enough' for their adopted son to have a brother
     Reply #13 - October 20, 2008, 02:36 PM

    A fair point , Goldie, but the name Garofalo isn't an ethnically British one and it makes me wonder if they might have a closer racial affiliation with Morocco that might make them prefer a child from there.


    Garofalo is as one might expect, italian. But hey, they're both mediterranean.

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  • Re: Muslim converts 'not Islamic enough' for their adopted son to have a brother
     Reply #14 - October 20, 2008, 03:24 PM

    A fair point , Goldie, but the name Garofalo isn't an ethnically British one and it makes me wonder if they might have a closer racial affiliation with Morocco that might make them prefer a child from there.


    Garofalo is as one might expect, italian. But hey, they're both mediterranean.

    Interesting.  I'll look it up to get a distribution. I was quite surprised to find that my paternal  grandpa was Macedonian and not litoral mediterranean.

    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Muslim converts 'not Islamic enough' for their adopted son to have a brother
     Reply #15 - January 03, 2012, 10:17 PM

    Thank you for your comments. I have just stumbled on this site and read the various comments.

    Our son is now six years old, and he now has a two year old sister..also adopted.

    He is happy, content, understands his broken past but he no longer has a bleak future...

    FYI, my father's grandfather was Italian, my mother was Irish.

    Adopting a child isn't about finding a child for a family, it's about finding a family for a child.

    As for Social services...what sort of system turns down a prospective adoptive mother because, she works for social services in the adoption department...you couldn't make it up.

    I love my child and I respect his past; and it's now my job to help him understand this world and the religion that caused him to be abandoned in the first place. Not cool for a Muslim girl to have a baby out of wedlock...so let's leave him on a rubbish tip for the rats to get at him..is that what your religion preaches...?....words are easy on the internet...deeds speak much louder


  • Re: Muslim converts 'not Islamic enough' for their adopted son to have a brother
     Reply #16 - January 03, 2012, 10:35 PM


    I love my child and I respect his past; and it's now my job to help him understand this world and the religion that caused him to be abandoned in the first place. Not cool for a Muslim girl to have a baby out of wedlock...so let's leave him on a rubbish tip for the rats to get at him..is that what your religion preaches...?....words are easy on the internet...deeds speak much louder





    It is difficult to raise a child out of wedlock in a Muslim society: you would face a lot of devastation, and your child would forever be called a bastard. That is if the mother isn't stoned or flogged, she would be insulted on the street and shame her family. So sadly it puts the mother in a though spot. So the easiest way out of it is to abandon/kill the child(especially since abortion is not an option.)
  • Re: Muslim converts 'not Islamic enough' for their adopted son to have a brother
     Reply #17 - January 03, 2012, 10:50 PM

    Welcome Robertg.  You have done a very brave and morally courageous thing. 

    We have just had the conclusion of a trial that led to the coining of a term -  institutionalised racism.  What has happened to you is also institutionalisation.

    Are you talking to human rights lawyers?  Do you wish to take it further as from my understanding social services are off the wall here and maybe it is time that we were allowed to love another in need without all this mad handwringing and what if stuff.

    I know a Jamaican brought up in Glasgow.  What is her culture?

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