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  • Separation
     OP - April 06, 2010, 11:37 PM

    Why is it that at every Muslim dinner party you go to, even functions and basically any sort of gathering or social event involving Muslims that the men and women are segregated? I really don't understand it, the men in one room and the women in another, and when you go into see your mum or wife or anything the rest of them give you death stares. Any non-muslim social function I've been to the men and women go there to interact and socialise, if not that being the biggest reason for them going to this social event.

    Maybe it's an Asian cultural thing, because as far as I know it doesn't say separation of genders at social functions in the Quran. Maybe it's even just some unlucky experiences I've had.
  • Re: Separation
     Reply #1 - April 06, 2010, 11:39 PM

    It's a Muslim thing - not just Asian.
  • Re: Separation
     Reply #2 - April 06, 2010, 11:40 PM

    Thought it was, any ideas as to the logic or reasoning behind it?
  • Re: Separation
     Reply #3 - April 06, 2010, 11:47 PM

    "...And when ye ask of them (the wives of the Prophet) anything, ask it of them from behind a curtain..." (33.53)
  • Re: Separation
     Reply #4 - April 06, 2010, 11:47 PM

    The idea is that since men and women can't stop themselves from jumping on top of each other, it is therefore necessary to separate them in order to avoid 'unlawful' intercourse, or zina.
  • Re: Separation
     Reply #5 - April 06, 2010, 11:49 PM

    Thought it was, any ideas as to the logic or reasoning behind it?

    A stupid concept called fitnah http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9580
    Which basically says, women should not be in the sight of men so that shaytan(devil) doesn't tempt him into playing doctor and nurse with her.

    "In every time and culture there are pressures to conform to the prevailing prejudices. But there are also, in every place and epoch, those who value the truth; who record the evidence faithfully. Future generations are in their debt." -Carl Sagan

  • Re: Separation
     Reply #6 - April 06, 2010, 11:57 PM

    Is it just me or do Muslims try too hard to be pious?

    And ironically, since they're always considerate of such things, they are therefore completely unable to get dirty thoughts out of their heads?
  • Re: Separation
     Reply #7 - April 06, 2010, 11:58 PM

    yeah it's a muslim thing..
    but i also heard that jews used to do the same thing..not sure though

    oh you got to love the saying.. if a woman and a man are alone.. their third party is the shaytan..
    i wonder me being alone with the computer counts  Cheesy
  • Re: Separation
     Reply #8 - April 07, 2010, 12:49 AM

    oh you got to love the saying.. if a woman and a man are alone.. their third party is the shaytan..


    So Satan's in the room watching men and women fornicate?

    What a perv.
  • Re: Separation
     Reply #9 - April 07, 2010, 12:51 AM

    Well he's Satan. Perversion is one of his things.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Separation
     Reply #10 - April 07, 2010, 01:58 AM

    "...And when ye ask of them (the wives of the Prophet) anything, ask it of them from behind a curtain..." (33.53)


    How in gods name did Muslims turn a specific decree for Muhammad's wives in to a general pronouncement? sounds more like a pack of unsophisticated half witts pulling on straws to justify segregation - mind you, it kind of fits into the fact that many of the Muslim cultures also like fucking little boys and don't want their wives finding out:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI1W1nB-OD8

    "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up." - Muhammad Ali
  • Re: Separation
     Reply #11 - April 07, 2010, 03:06 AM

    They give you death stares because they had to interrupt their chatting and coffee to put their hijabs/niqabs back on, and they are just waiting for you to leave the room so they can continue.

    The only thing we have to fear is fear itself
    - 32nd United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt
  • Re: Separation
     Reply #12 - April 07, 2010, 03:20 AM

    Yeh, we (indians/hindus) dont really segregate between the sexes not even at the temple. 
    How else are we supposed to meet our soulmates  Huh?

    "A good man is so hard to find but a hard man is so good to find"
  • Re: Separation
     Reply #13 - April 07, 2010, 03:22 AM

    Yeh, we (indians/hindus) dont really segregate between the sexes not even at the temple. 
    How else are we supposed to meet our soulmates  Huh?


    The ancient past time of backwards cultures the world over; forced marriage (sometimes sanitised by calling it 'arranged marriages' by some).

    "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up." - Muhammad Ali
  • Re: Separation
     Reply #14 - April 07, 2010, 03:23 AM


    oh you got to love the saying.. if a woman and a man are alone.. their third party is the shaytan..



    That reminds of this video:  Forward to 3:00
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8CHSl_hqRk
    Anyways, it bothers me that he actually believes this BS.

    "A good man is so hard to find but a hard man is so good to find"
  • Re: Separation
     Reply #15 - April 07, 2010, 03:35 AM

    How in gods name did Muslims turn a specific decree for Muhammad's wives in to a general pronouncement? sounds more like a pack of unsophisticated half witts pulling on straws to justify segregation


    It's called preventing the means, or sadd al dhara'i.  It basically means that the ulamaa have given themselves the permission to allow one another to make up ever more restrictive rules for the society - mainly for women, of course - in order to (theoretically) prevent people from being in situations where they would be tempted to engage in the activity that allah declared haram.  In this case, zina.  It gives them the double advantage of exercising a lot of control over society and giving them more tools that they can use to ostracize people who challenge or question them or the ruling powers.  They say that only allah and, in some circumstances, the prophet, can declare something haram, when in fact the ulamaa have declared many more things haram by default with the category of 'makruh,' which has become de facto haram.  

    So zina is haram.  The prophet said a man and woman shouldn't be alone together.  The ulamaa go further and say they can't shake hands or look one another in the face or speak to one another or work together or sit in mixed gender gatherings (and then, to further complicate things, some others come along and say that some of those things are okay).  They say that women can't pray in the same room as men or in the masjid at all.  Because all of that could lead one man and one woman to get it on without getting married first.  

    You can see the same concept at work in the obsessive ban on products with pork or alcohol byproducts in them.  For example, some lotions or perfumes with miniscule amounts of ethyl alcohol b/c some mullah somewhere says that if someone consumed enough of it, they *could maybe* get drunk on it.  You  know, provided they didn't fall over dead from toxic poisoning first.  

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  • Re: Separation
     Reply #16 - April 09, 2010, 10:26 PM

    Maybe it's an Asian cultural thing, because as far as I know it doesn't say separation of genders at social functions in the Quran. Maybe it's even just some unlucky experiences I've had.

    Not sure if its true, but it wouldnt surprise me.  Ive seen this happen across cultures and in non-muslim houselholds. Even within muslim gatherings they are not always separated.  I think dinner parties are different because there is not enough space ofor everyone to congregate in one room.  So the people naturally split up by gender when they go off.

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