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  • Muslim apostate
     OP - April 14, 2010, 03:16 PM
    This is probably old news to you guys, but this guy's move to atheism is very well put so I thought I'd share it.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G_Nwa7W66w
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Muslim apostate
     Reply #1 - April 14, 2010, 03:20 PM
    I've been watching his vids - he seems quite troubled - and confused.
  • Re: Muslim apostate
     Reply #2 - April 14, 2010, 03:27 PM
    He was probably joking. Look at his other videos. Smiley
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  • Re: Muslim apostate
     Reply #3 - April 14, 2010, 03:30 PM

    He's a fruitloop who is a Muslim, who pretended to become atheist to 'trick' atheists on youtube. After he made this video he declared that he was still a Muslim.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: Muslim apostate
     Reply #4 - April 14, 2010, 03:32 PM
    Quote from: TheRationalizer on April 14, 2010, 03:16 PM
    This is probably old news to you guys, but this guy's move to atheism is very well put so I thought I'd share it.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G_Nwa7W66w

    Apparently he's muslim again, and his latest video is about how Islam can conquer USA
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  • Re: Muslim apostate
     Reply #5 - April 14, 2010, 03:36 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on April 14, 2010, 03:32 PM
    Apparently he's muslim again, and his latest video is about how Islam can conquer USA


    Well, my mistake for thinking that once you are rational you remain rational.  What a dick, that's both me and him.
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
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  • Re: Muslim apostate
     Reply #6 - April 14, 2010, 03:41 PM
    Quote from: TheRationalizer on April 14, 2010, 03:36 PM
    Well, my mistake for thinking that once you are rational you remain rational. 

    Well I dont know if he ever was rational, and if the video was just a poor attempt at getting some attention.
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  • Re: Muslim apostate
     Reply #7 - April 14, 2010, 03:46 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on April 14, 2010, 03:32 PM
    Apparently he's muslim again, and his latest video is about how Islam can conquer USA


    Talking about Islam conquering non Muslim lands, all the while having fled / emigrated from Islamic Bangladesh to kuffar Ireland. Dontcha just love these hypocrites.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Muslim apostate
     Reply #8 - April 14, 2010, 03:48 PM
    Don't be too harsh on him - Islam really fucks with your mind.
  • Re: Muslim apostate
     Reply #9 - April 14, 2010, 04:18 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 14, 2010, 03:48 PM
    Don't be too harsh on him - Islam really fucks with your mind.


    Is not Mohamed a geneous? Or is it possible that Islam got bigger not thanks to Mohamed, but to the Kalifs and the guys after him?
    ...
  • Re: Muslim apostate
     Reply #10 - April 14, 2010, 04:28 PM
     I dont think he was as big a genius as many claim here.  He was charasmatic, but most of his ideas were copied, and he was fortunate in that he was at the right place at the right time.  Otherwise he would have got nowhere.
    And you're right, the caliphs and human nature did the rest for him..
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  • Re: Muslim apostate
     Reply #11 - April 14, 2010, 05:03 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on April 14, 2010, 04:28 PM
    I dont think he was as big a genius as many claim here.  He was charasmatic, but most of his ideas were copied, and he was fortunate in that he was at the right place at the right time.  Otherwise he would have got nowhere.
    And you're right, the caliphs and human nature did the rest for him..


    I reckon he was one of those charismatic characters that people look at when he comes in the door and listen to when he speaks - there are ppl like that - and he hit on a good idea (Abrahamic religion for the ignorant arabs) and was in the right place at the right time for it.
  • Re: Muslim apostate
     Reply #12 - April 15, 2010, 12:21 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 14, 2010, 05:03 PM
    I reckon he was one of those charismatic characters that people look at when he comes in the door and listen to when he speaks - there are ppl like that - and he hit on a good idea (Abrahamic religion for the ignorant arabs) and was in the right place at the right time for it.


    And unfortunately thanks to that there is the on going discussion on what it means to be an Arab, should it be religious? if so, Islam? based on language? a shared history - which would go back to Islam? I sometimes wonder whether the Arab world is just doomed to failure and we're all best to just sit back and acknowledge that.
    "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up." - Muhammad Ali
  • Re: Muslim apostate
     Reply #13 - April 15, 2010, 12:30 AM
    That man in the video is a fucking fruit loop.

    But about Muhammad, I don't know what to think of him. At times, he seemed truthful and honest, but at times he seemed like he lied, but sometimes I don't think he was a liar. Its hard to explain.
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  • Re: Muslim apostate
     Reply #14 - April 15, 2010, 08:49 AM
    My opinion of Muhammad was that at first at least he was a nice and honest person, who honestly believed he was being given divine inspiration.

    I've had a period of receiving divine inspiration myself (I am better now).  Although you know that everything being "revealed" to you is information you already knew and had thought long and hard about it what happened in my case was that during my revelation (deep contemplation) my mind would make connections between those pieces of information which seemed to make sense and I'd conclude "God told me this, he used information I knew so that I would understand it, but linked it so that it would make sense".

    So you can kind of know but not know at the same time that you are a fraud, but it's hard to admit that the creator of the universe does NOT love you more than everyone else after all.

    I think a large part of Mo's success came afterwards though.  The Life Of Muhammad is FULL of retrofitting stories to make him sound like God sent him, lots of floating lights, magical experiences, miracles etc.  I strongly suspect that the Quran was modified before canonised too.

    Like Jesus's story, it was manipulated after the fact.
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Muslim apostate
     Reply #15 - April 15, 2010, 08:52 AM
    Quote from: Cool Canadian on April 15, 2010, 12:30 AM
    That man in the video is a fucking fruit loop.

    But about Muhammad, I don't know what to think of him. At times, he seemed truthful and honest, but at times he seemed like he lied, but sometimes I don't think he was a liar. Its hard to explain.


    But what is it all based upon? how much of what is being paraded as Muhammad is actually reality? How much of it is embellished? will we ever know the true Muhammad? each tradition within Islam has its own construction of Muhammad's character so I don't think we'll ever know who the true Muhammad is.
    "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up." - Muhammad Ali
  • Re: Muslim apostate
     Reply #16 - April 15, 2010, 09:36 AM
    Quote from: Cool Canadian on April 15, 2010, 12:30 AM
    But about Muhammad, I don't know what to think of him. At times, he seemed truthful and honest, but at times he seemed like he lied, but sometimes I don't think he was a liar. Its hard to explain.


    As I always say, I don't think he was a liar - much like someone like David Koresh was not a liar, but had that sort of character that was both (subconsciously) manipulative and sincerely believed he was something 'special'.

    People are more likely to believe you if you believe it yourself.
  • Re: Muslim apostate
     Reply #17 - April 15, 2010, 09:40 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 15, 2010, 09:36 AM
    As I always say, I don't think he was a liar - much like someone like David Koresh was not a liar, but had that sort of character that was both (subconsciously) manipulative and sincerely believed he was something 'special'.

    People are more likely to believe you if you believe it yourself.


    Spot on Hassan. I was always fascinated by the David Koresh story and thought that if he came a thousand years ago, he could have pulled it off. Mohamed, Jesus, Moses (if any of those existed) would have been very much similar in character to David Koresh.
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  • Re: Muslim apostate
     Reply #18 - April 15, 2010, 11:02 AM
    Quote from: RIBS on April 15, 2010, 09:40 AM
    Spot on Hassan. I was always fascinated by the David Koresh story and thought that if he came a thousand years ago, he could have pulled it off. Mohamed, Jesus, Moses (if any of those existed) would have been very much similar in character to David Koresh.


    From what is known about Jesus through his brother James, the early 'Christians' were pretty much Judaism + Jesus; so I would question whether Jesus was anything close to being a 'great leader' as later Christians try to make out.
    "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up." - Muhammad Ali
  • Re: Muslim apostate
     Reply #19 - April 15, 2010, 11:06 AM
    Quote from: kaiwai on April 15, 2010, 11:02 AM
    From what is known about Jesus through his brother James, the early 'Christians' were pretty much Judaism + Jesus; so I would question whether Jesus was anything close to being a 'great leader' as later Christians try to make out.


    I suspect he was just a bit of a renegade.  Telling people "Don't stone people to death" and "Try to make bonds with your enemies rather than killing them", because he saw the Jewish law was bollocks.
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Muslim apostate
     Reply #20 - April 15, 2010, 11:13 AM
    Quote from: TheRationalizer on April 15, 2010, 11:06 AM
    I suspect he was just a bit of a renegade.  Telling people "Don't stone people to death" and "Try to make bonds with your enemies rather than killing them", because he saw the Jewish law was bollocks.


    There were other sages and rabbis at the same time saying pretty much the same thing:

    "What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow: this is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn" --Talmud, Shabbat 31a
    "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up." - Muhammad Ali
  • Re: Muslim apostate
     Reply #21 - April 15, 2010, 11:16 AM
    Quote from: kaiwai on April 15, 2010, 11:13 AM
    There were other sages and rabbis at the same time saying pretty much the same thing:

    "What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow: this is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn" --Talmud, Shabbat 31a


    There were a number of scrolls from the Gnostics which predated Jesus and taught a number of the things Jesus was credited with saying.

    All I know is this, if God wants me to do something in particular, he needs to try MUCH harder in letter me know.
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Muslim apostate
     Reply #22 - April 15, 2010, 11:26 AM
    Quote from: TheRationalizer on April 15, 2010, 11:16 AM
    There were a number of scrolls from the Gnostics which predated Jesus and taught a number of the things Jesus was credited with saying.

    All I know is this, if God wants me to do something in particular, he needs to try MUCH harder in letter me know.


    This is what tends to happen when it comes to humans:

    God: "Be nice to each other"
    Man: "But it can't be that simple!" and off they run to create a whole heap of rules, regulations, myths and legends to make something simple into something larger and more complex than it needs to be.
    "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up." - Muhammad Ali
  • Re: Muslim apostate
     Reply #23 - April 15, 2010, 11:30 AM
    Quote from: kaiwai on April 15, 2010, 11:26 AM
    This is what tends to happen when it comes to humans:

    God: "Be nice to each other"
    Man: "But it can't be that simple!" and off they run to create a whole heap of rules, regulations, myths and legends to make something simple into something larger and more complex than it needs to be.


    Where did you get the God bit from?  This is how it tends to be...

    Hominid species 1: Let's look out for our own little family unit
    Hominid species 2: Let's help each other
    Hominid species 1 becomes extinct
    Hominid species 2 does not.

    Hominid species 2: Helping each other is important, but we are too thick to understand why we FEEL it is important, therefore a big invisible man must have put that feeling there.  So let's kill some animals, splash their blood all over the place, and cut off our sons' foreskins.

    If I were a gambler, that's where MY money would go.
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
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