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 Topic: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"

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  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #150 - May 02, 2010, 09:39 PM

    Wow.  You have an awsome translation style Hassan. 


    Hassan, you are a star. For a minute I thought I was reading in Arabic again. Your translation is exquisite, full, and to the point. I wish I could do half of your quality. Afro

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  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #151 - May 02, 2010, 09:40 PM

    lol @ the quran being littered with 'verbal bombs'  Cheesy

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  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #152 - May 02, 2010, 10:36 PM

    Hassan that's superb. I'm sorry I've been a bit busy. Will try to translate a couple of pages tomorrow.
  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #153 - May 02, 2010, 11:02 PM

    same im working on my first one today. very complicated vocab used. trying as much as i can tho

    [13:36] <Fimbles> anything above 7 inches
    [13:37] <Fimbles> is wacko
    [13:37] <Fimbles> see
    [13:37] <Fimbles> you think i'd enjoy anything above 7 inches up my arse?
  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #154 - May 03, 2010, 04:13 PM

    OK, this is the final part of Chapter 2 (it is the shortest chapter) - his language is sometimes a bit difficult to follow and the translations will definitely need cleaning up. But like I say it is best to just translate it as best we can and leave cleaning it up for later.

    Chapter 2 (cont...)

    I am not calling for the renunciation of religion, for that is a difficult  objective, in fact it is a demand that cannot be sought. Because religion for it's adherents is sweet nectar and for so long I my self savoured this sweetness until I returned to my senses.

    I say I am not calling for the renunciation of religion but am calling for the end to resorting to religion for decisions in all matters and sticking it's nose into every tiny matter in the affairs of life. And that (can be achieved) by applying Secularism as a principle both in thought and in life. Secularism is not disbelief, nor is it a call to disbelief as some of it's enemies portray it, but it is merely placing a limit to the interference between religion and the state.

    Religion is not the execution of the captive, nor the stoning of the adulterer, nor the chopping of the hand of the thief. Religion, according to secularists, is that which lives in the heart and dwells in the conscience. Believe what you like, but beware of imposing your beliefs on others nor make make it into a system for government or life. Religion is for God while the nation is for everyone. That is the slogan of Secularism.

    There is nothing inviolable, nothing sacred in Secularism. The only thing that is inviolable and sacred in it is Humanity and the value of Humanity and the freedom of Humanity and respect for the dignity of Humanity. The lack of exploitation of man by another. The unbeliever (Kafir) is not the one who disbelieves in religion. The only unbeliever is the one who disbelieves in Humanity and Human Rights.

    For the value of life is Reason. The value of life is Freedom. The value of life is Progress and Development. The value of life is Innovative Vision and expressing it according to what suits the requirements of the the time and place. As for disbelief and belief, angel and devil, it (creates) conflict that impedes the development of innovations and the flow of progress in a world of powers and balances of powers and centers of powers  

    The thing that most frightens man is to be consigned to the debris of memory. Ruminating over myths and delusions. In a trance over the invisible, and text, and miraculousness and rhetoric and to follow the stories of the garden of Eden and the Houris, and the (verse of) Light and the servant boys (of paradise) and stories of Jinn and tales of Luqman and the like of these stories and tales that for so long fertilized the minds and imaginations, both in the near and distant past but then today lose the bet. (i.e. discover it was all BS)
  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #155 - May 03, 2010, 04:15 PM


    Great stuff Hassan, and I am enjoying reading what this gentleman has written.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #156 - May 03, 2010, 04:16 PM

    This is so amazing. I am so proud of you guys and indebted to you. Thank you Smiley

    May Lord Vader grant you paradise, er, or something.
  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #157 - May 03, 2010, 04:19 PM

    The author was the same generation as my father and it's sad to think that these thoughts on secularism were expressed so long ago and at the time Egypt was indeed moving close to such a vision. Yet today it has slipped back. My father always used to lament that the Egypt he knew had long disappeared.
  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #158 - May 03, 2010, 04:20 PM

    Wow. This is one ambitious effort I have to say.

    Maybe when this all done, someone can upload the translated version on scribd?

    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #159 - May 03, 2010, 04:20 PM

    I'll start Chapter 4 when I get a moment.
  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #160 - May 03, 2010, 04:20 PM

    I think it might slowly be on rise again. People will come to their senses soon. Iraq will hopefully be a secular country.
  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #161 - May 03, 2010, 04:21 PM

    The author was the same generation as my father and it's sad to think that these thoughts on secularism were expressed so long ago and at the time Egypt was indeed moving close to such a vision. Yet today it has slipped back. My father always used to lament that the Egypt he knew had long disappeared.

    Unfortunately that is the case in almost ALL Muslim countries. Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, etc have all become more conservative and rigid. The 1970s started it all, and the 1980s made it become an inevitable slide.

    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #162 - May 03, 2010, 04:28 PM

    The author was the same generation as my father and it's sad to think that these thoughts on secularism were expressed so long ago and at the time Egypt was indeed moving close to such a vision. Yet today it has slipped back. My father always used to lament that the Egypt he knew had long disappeared.


    In the Cairo Trilogy by Naguib Mahfouz, the youngest son Kamal becomes an atheist and clashes with his traditional father, and follows his dreams of secularism, and deals with his disillusion with religion. This is set in the 1930's, and Mahfouz admitted it was close to his own journey at that age. So these currents have been present in Egypt for a long time.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #163 - May 03, 2010, 04:30 PM

    Naguib Mahfouz, was he an atheist?
  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #164 - May 03, 2010, 04:39 PM


    Well, I don't know if he was an atheist, he might have been agnostic, but he definitely rejected, satirised, scrutinised and was critical of organised religion. Like all great writers and intellectuals, he was a sceptic, a healthy, compassionate sceptic.

    He was almost stabbed to death by a Muslim extremist, after a book he wrote called Children of Gebelawi which was a metaphorical re-telling of the lives of some of the Abrahamic prophets set in 19th century Cairo - he also stood up for Salman Rushdie after the fatwa, which put him on the radar of the fundamentalists in Egypt.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #165 - May 03, 2010, 04:41 PM

    Wow, the guts. I need to read his books. I'm glad I came back to this forum.
  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #166 - May 03, 2010, 04:42 PM


    Yeah, everybody needs to read his books.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #167 - May 03, 2010, 06:46 PM

    I'll start Chapter 4 when I get a moment.


    Hassan: the unstoppable translating android.
  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #168 - May 03, 2010, 07:44 PM

    Wow. This is one ambitious effort I have to say.

    Maybe when this all done, someone can upload the translated version on scribd?

    Yeah, I dont mind doing that..

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  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #169 - May 03, 2010, 08:14 PM

    Hassan: the unstoppable translating android.


    lol well tbh I was reluctant to start translating this as I know from experience of translating classical texts it can be a quite heavy going and as I say I have a lot on in RL. It's not like Modern Literary Arabic or Journalstic Arabic - but I could hardly leave IA and others bravely volunteering and not help.

    Having said that I'm finding doing it in small chunks is ok - but can't guarantee when I'll do the next bit. I'll just do it when time permits.
  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #170 - May 03, 2010, 10:52 PM

    You're the best Hassan  Smiley
  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #171 - May 03, 2010, 11:02 PM

    You're the best Hassan  Smiley


    yeah Haddan is the best, but you too are excellent translator. I wish I have half the English you have. I just found out that my passive vocabulary is much stronger than my active one.

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  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #172 - May 03, 2010, 11:04 PM

    I just found out that my passive vocabulary is much stronger than my active one.

    Isny everybodies?

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  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #173 - May 03, 2010, 11:06 PM

    Correction: isn't everybody's? Narcissist aloofandbored0



     Cheesy sorry just felt like it.
  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #174 - May 03, 2010, 11:13 PM

    Sorry that was childish  Embarrassed
  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #175 - May 03, 2010, 11:55 PM

    Correction: isn't everybody's? Narcissist aloofandbored0


    IA, I think you are in the translation mode right now. LOL

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  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #176 - May 04, 2010, 12:04 AM

    As a matter of fact I am translating right now !
  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #177 - May 04, 2010, 06:43 AM

    You're the best Hassan  Smiley


    That's what all the ladies tell me.









    No, wait.... I made that up!  grin12
  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #178 - May 04, 2010, 07:34 AM

    As a matter of fact I am translating right now !


    I knew it. Afro

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  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #179 - May 04, 2010, 08:24 AM

    Sorry that was childish  Embarrassed

    That smiley should be on me

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