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Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
Reply #240 - May 11, 2010, 01:38 PM

Thanks Ribs You will win the Apostate Nobel Prize for this.
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Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
Reply #241 - May 11, 2010, 01:44 PM

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Reply #242 - May 11, 2010, 02:47 PM

Quote from: billy on May 11, 2010, 01:08 PM
Yeah, RIBS, thanks mate

Quote from: BlackDog on May 11, 2010, 01:38 PM
Thanks Ribs You will win the Apostate Nobel Prize for this.

No thanks, no prize for me. With Billy's Avatar, all I can think of is an assassination plot by some Italian Alqaida converts,..... "Hey Johnny, that RIBS kaffir guy, needs to be wasted. Go finish the guy, capeesh?"

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Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
Reply #243 - May 11, 2010, 02:48 PM

"Don't forget the cannoli"
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Reply #244 - May 11, 2010, 03:17 PM

What is a cannoli?

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Reply #245 - May 11, 2010, 03:23 PM

Cannoli are Sicilian pastry desserts. The singular is cannolo (or in the Sicilian language cannolu), meaning "little tube", with the etymology stemming from the Latin "canna", or reed. Cannoli originated in Sicily and are an essential part of Sicilian cuisine. They are also popular in Italian American cuisine and in America are known as a general Italian pastry, while they are specifically Sicilian in origin (in Italy, they're commonly known as "cannoli siciliani", Sicilian cannoli).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannoli

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Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
Reply #246 - May 11, 2010, 04:02 PM

I don't believe in God I believe in Gotti.
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Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
Reply #247 - May 11, 2010, 04:26 PM

Damnit...I really could do with some fine Italian food.

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Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
Reply #248 - May 11, 2010, 08:40 PM

Quote from: nessrriinn on April 28, 2010, 05:52 PM
gonna read it tonight.. sounds great..
thanks ribs!!

Ness, did you read the book? I am interested to know what you think about it, from a poet's point of view. You are a great poet, and your say counts very much.

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Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
Reply #249 - May 11, 2010, 09:09 PM

Chapter 4

Part 1: The Belief of Muslims in the Miraculousness (of the Qur'an) cont....

However the scholars disagree about the difference in the degrees of eloquence of the verses of Qur'an after having agreed it is in the highest forms of eloquence, in so far as you cannot find phrasing that is more suitable nor balanced, to convey that meaning.

Al-Qadi (Abu Bakr d. 1148) takes the opinion of 'negation', meaning negation of there being any difference (in degrees of eloquence). For every word in it is depicted in it's highest (form/usage) even though some people are better at sensing it than others.

While Abu Al-Qushairy and others take the opinion of 'difference' (in degrees of eloquence), he said: "We do not claim that everything in the Qur'an is in the highest rank of eloquence.

And likewise others have said: "In the Qur'an is (both) the Eloquent and the Most Eloquent. This is the opinion taken by Sheikh 'Izz al-Din 'Abd al-Salam who then asked: "Why was the Qur'an not entirely in the most eloquent form?" Al Sadr Mawhoob Al Jazari replied to the effect that 'if the Qur'an had come in that (most eloquent form) it would not be in the usual style of speech from the Lord, combining the Most Eloquent with the Eloquent and so the proof of the miraculousness would not be complete. So it came in their usual style of speech to highlight the inability to challenge it and so they can't say, for example: 'You have brought that which we have no ability in it's like. Just as it would not be right for a sighted person to say to a blind person: "I beat you by virtue of my sight." Because the blind person will say to him: "Your victory can only be valid if I was able to see, and (then you could say) your sight was better than mine. But if I lack the ability to see then how can I make a challenge?" (7)

In any case the Qur'an is in the eyes of Muslims the Prophet's greatest miracle. No falsehood in it either before or behind it. "Indeed everything in the Qur'an is a miracle in respect of the music of its letters, the kinship between its wording, the synchronicity of it's words with it's expressions, and well-knit arrangement in it's resonance and that which it arrives at in regards to composition between the words and the fact that every word intentionally fits it's counterpart. As though the weave of each part perfects it's picture and completes it's objective. It's meanings coalesce with it's words as though it's meanings are related to it's pronunciations and it's pronunciations were designed for it, and made to fit it's size." (8 )

(7) The previous reference p 109

(8 ) The previous reference p 99
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Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
Reply #250 - May 11, 2010, 09:09 PM
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Reply #251 - May 11, 2010, 10:28 PM

Hass, just PMed you the overview that I have wrote for Maryam. It is a word doc so that you can edit easily. Please proof read and correct as you see fit. Thanks!

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Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
Reply #252 - May 11, 2010, 10:37 PM

Quote from: RIBS on May 11, 2010, 10:28 PM
Hass, just PMed you the overview that I have wrote for Maryam. It is a word doc so that you can edit easily. Please proof read and correct as you see fit. Thanks!

Excellent - May Allah shower you with blessings and grant you the highest place in Paradise (apart from me of course!)
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Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
Reply #253 - May 11, 2010, 10:41 PM

Quote from: BlackDog on May 11, 2010, 01:38 PM
Thanks Ribs You will win the Apostate Nobel Prize for this.

BlackDog, you write my name as in ribs the BBQ or ribs the Adam and Eve. It is actually RIBS as in Religion Is BullShit...

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Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
Reply #254 - May 11, 2010, 10:43 PM

Quote from: Hassan on May 11, 2010, 10:37 PM
Excellent - May Allah shower you with blessings and grant you the highest place in Paradise (apart from me of course!)

Ameen bro ameen indeed...

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Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
Reply #255 - May 12, 2010, 07:26 AM

Quote from: RIBS on May 11, 2010, 10:41 PM
BlackDog, you write my name as in ribs the BBQ or ribs the Adam and Eve. It is actually RIBS as in Religion Is BullShit...

ROFL

You're the best RIBS (I like writing Ribs because I like BBQ)
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Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
Reply #256 - May 12, 2010, 07:32 AM

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Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
Reply #257 - May 12, 2010, 07:34 AM

What does that parrot mean?

People use it all the time, but why?
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Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
Reply #258 - May 12, 2010, 08:57 AM

Just been browsing a few comments about this book and Abbas Abd al-Noor on the Arab Atheist Forum and some Muslims (unsurprisingly) accuse it of being a fake fabricated by Christian Missionaries.

I have to say that from what I've read so far of his book it looks and 'feels' totally genuine to me.

Whoever this guy was - he knew what he was talking about.
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Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
Reply #259 - May 12, 2010, 09:08 AM

Is Abbas Abd al-Noor a muslim? Is he famous?

What a bad argument, so what if he was a Christian missionary? Does his critique stand on its own?
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Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
Reply #260 - May 12, 2010, 09:08 AM

Quote from: BlackDog on May 12, 2010, 07:34 AM
What does that parrot mean?

People use it all the time, but why?

You use that when you feeeeeeel gooooood.....

And there is the happy bunny.... This one please use wisely, or else you what people will think of you.

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Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
Reply #261 - May 12, 2010, 09:12 AM

Quote from: Hassan on May 12, 2010, 08:57 AM
Just been browsing a few comments about this book and Abbas Abd al-Noor on the Arab Atheist Forum and some Muslims (unsurprisingly) accuse it of being a fake fabricated by Christian Missionaries.

I have to say that from what I've read so far of his book it looks and 'feels' totally genuine to me.

Whoever this guy was - he knew what he was talking about.

Exactly Hass, whoever wrote this book, as an Arabic speaking ex-Muslim, I know he should be a very well educated in the pre-islamic and post-quranic poetry.

I guess, it is the "Conspiracy" theory all over again.

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Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
Reply #262 - May 12, 2010, 09:21 AM

Quote from: BlackDog on May 12, 2010, 09:08 AM
Is Abbas Abd al-Noor a muslim? Is he famous?

What a bad argument, so what if he was a Christian missionary? Does his critique stand on its own?

No-one knows who he is and one guy says that he made a search of people from Damanhour and cannot find a trace of him and says this is strange - particularly since he claims to have been written books and studied at Azhar and worked in a Hospice etc...

But it seems to me that the first thing one would do if contemplating such a book is to hide one's true identity.

Yes his critique definitely stands on it's own regardless of who he really is.

imo he is (was) a Muslim - I have a radar for fake stuff - and frankly everything about what I've read so far tells me it's genuine.
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Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
Reply #263 - May 12, 2010, 09:23 AM

Is Abbas Abd al-Noor the author of this book?
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Reply #264 - May 12, 2010, 09:25 AM

Quote from: BlackDog on May 12, 2010, 09:23 AM
Is Abbas Abd al-Noor the author of this book?

Yes, but I suspect it is a pen name - not his real name.
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Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
Reply #265 - May 12, 2010, 09:26 AM

I am not surprised that Abbas Abdel Nour may as well be a pseudonym for the writer. Given what is at stake for being an apostate in countries like Egypt, its understandable that he is hiding his real self.

But, someone like him must be a very renowned or at least a well-cited figure at Al-Azhar. The question is, WHO is the man behind Abbas Abdel Nour?

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Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
Reply #266 - May 12, 2010, 09:31 AM

Quote from: RIBS on May 12, 2010, 09:12 AM
I guess, it is the "Conspiracy" theory all over again.

Frankly it is exactly what I would expect Muslims to say - as this book is a massive shock to the system of any Arab Muslim reading it.

Muslims as we know immediately react with Ad Hominem.
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Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
Reply #267 - May 12, 2010, 09:33 AM

I thought the author had passed away? He is still alive then?
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Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
Reply #268 - May 12, 2010, 09:37 AM

It seems likely he is dead by now, given his age. Though we can't be sure that details such as age etc... are real or something he made up to cover his tracks.
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Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
Reply #269 - May 12, 2010, 09:39 AM

...but his legacy has made him immortal. The effort of CEMB members will make sure of that.

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