Ok, let's see here.
2) Correct as far as I know. Although, I'm not sure that it's impossible for a contingent entity to be co-eternal with its cause.
By you agree that the universe is limited, by Definition, it means it will have a start and a finish. and as a consequence, there is a need for somthing to create it, the second part of youatatement is irrational, there cant be 2 eternal things. plus by it being limited it cant be eternal.
3) 'Unlimited'? That's a very vague word to use. But let's say you mean that this 'creator' must have unlimited knowledge and power. This is absolutely false. Omniscience and omnipotence are neither logical nor practical prerequisites for creating a universe, any more than they are for creating any other sophisticated or complex thing.
no they are not a pre requit, but im saying that Allah is Unlimited, we will come to a problem, if the creator of the universe is not unlmited, becoase there will never be a cause for the universe to begin, and hence for our existence. there must be one eternal unlimited being that has started weverythign.
5) This assumes that this 'creator' tells us things, has any desire to tell us anything, or is even capable of such a thing. The premise of this point has not, to my knowledge, been demonstrated by anyone. That is, that this creator is able to communicate or has any desire to do so, with humans.
ok we can discuss this further, after the first few point have been discussed
But notice that at no point did I write that 'God needs to be worshipped.' I stated that this god wants to be worshipped. Quite different, and indeed it is quite possibly a question that theists cannot answer.
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I created the jinn and humankind only that they might worship Me.
The question is, why?
You see, there is literally no reason as to why this god is all-powerful, all-knowing, is able to will things into existence, and indeed there is no reason whatsoever for his wanting to be worshipped, praised and glorified. The theist must simply concede that that's just the way this god is, and for literally no reason.
u like to assume a lot, we cannot assert anything from this ayat, except that as a muslim our purpose is to worship, and worship here isnt to pray on you hands and knees, it is to live your lives according to the laws of allah.
to say if allah needs it or even wants it there is no eveidenc e either way, he tells us that we need it as human beings
OK. I see what you mean by 'unlimited' now. You mean, the necessary, non-contingent entity, and not necessarily something that's omnipotent or omniscient.
Of course, such a necessary essence in no way has to be a personal agent of any kind. It does not even necessarily require self-awareness, a will, omniscience, etc. It doesn't even prove deism to be true, nevermind the existence of the Islamic god.
Worship also involves praying, not just following religious law.
No, your god obviously wants to be worshipped or he wouldn't have created humans and jinn to do so. Otherwise you're saying that your god does pointless things for literally no reason. A very strange god that would be.
Besides, if your god didn't want worship then clearly he wouldn't threaten people who don't worship him or obey him with eternal torture.
Besides, humans clearly don't need Islam and it's rather senseless to have humans worship you because said humans need it even though they didn't even exist until this god created them. Your god didn't do this for our benefit as we didn't even exist to begin with.
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