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  • Re: Heres my story
     Reply #30 - May 13, 2010, 12:44 PM
    Thanks for sharing, Morpheus  Afro
  • Re: Heres my story
     Reply #31 - May 13, 2010, 12:50 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on May 13, 2010, 12:36 PM
    I wonder if they really thought about religion before their near-death experience.


    Yusuf was a Christian, but largely a nominal one, I'd wager. Same with Cat Stevens.

  • Re: Heres my story
     Reply #32 - May 13, 2010, 05:54 PM
    Interesting story Morpheus, makes sense.  So tell us how you you got to find COEM?
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  • Re: Heres my story
     Reply #33 - May 13, 2010, 06:41 PM
    Malcom X is also another example of how people find a way out of their troubles through religion.
    I noticed a very few number of people converting to Islam while their loves are already just fine.
    I know someday you'll have a beautiful life, I know you'll be a star
    In somebody else's sky, but why, why, why
    Can't it be, can't it be mine

    https://twitter.com/AlharbiMoe
  • Re: Heres my story
     Reply #34 - May 13, 2010, 06:47 PM
    Muslims love to use these stories to prove Islam is true. The problem is, many other people who went through deep troubles in their lives find answers in Christianity, Buddhism, etc.

    I know people who even converted to Bahaiism, but their lives were fine before too.
    This is why conversion stories are completely useless when trying to prove a certain religion is true.
    I know someday you'll have a beautiful life, I know you'll be a star
    In somebody else's sky, but why, why, why
    Can't it be, can't it be mine

    https://twitter.com/AlharbiMoe
  • Re: Heres my story
     Reply #35 - May 13, 2010, 06:50 PM
    Anecdotal evidence and all that ijaz.
  • Re: Heres my story
     Reply #36 - May 13, 2010, 06:58 PM
    Quote from: MoeAlharbi on May 13, 2010, 06:47 PM
    Muslims love to use these stories to prove Islam is true. The problem is, many other people who went through deep troubles in their lives find answers in Christianity, Buddhism, etc.

    I know people who even converted to Bahaiism, but their lives were fine before too.
    This is why conversion stories are completely useless when trying to prove a certain religion is true.


    And, of course, many people make it through deep troubles in their lives without turning to any religion - they make it through by their own resources, strengths, and with the help of friends and family! Religions latch onto the most vulnerable to seek their validation.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Heres my story
     Reply #37 - May 13, 2010, 07:46 PM
    Quote from: billy on May 13, 2010, 06:58 PM
    Religions latch onto the most vulnerable to seek their validation.

    So true.  Islam validates them & they validate Islam. Its a symbiotic and parasitic relationship.
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  • Re: Heres my story
     Reply #38 - May 13, 2010, 08:41 PM
    Quote from: Naerys on May 13, 2010, 09:53 AM
    Thanks for sharing your story, Morpheus. It is very interesting.

    If you don't mind me asking, how do you feel about the society you live in, right now? Do you steel feel anger and contempt towards it, like you did before discovering Islam?

    good question. actually my thoughts have changed a lot after my islamic experience and i no longer feel contempt towards society. i now value the freedom we have in this society compared to for example islamic countries which to my understanding freedom is very limited there. in the west we can enjoy things like freedom of speach, democracy, freedom of religion and we can dress and eat and drink wtf we feel like without anyone bothering us. things are not perfect in the western world, but we should all be lucky to live here and to be able to choose for ourselves how to live our lives.
  • Re: Heres my story
     Reply #39 - May 13, 2010, 08:51 PM
    If it wasn't for these freedoms we would have no Islam in the West, no mosques being built, no new converts etc etc
  • Re: Heres my story
     Reply #40 - May 13, 2010, 08:53 PM
    Cool story Morpheus. Would it be correct to say that back in your Muslim days (or just prior to that) you were looking for something positive you could identify with?
  • Re: Heres my story
     Reply #41 - May 13, 2010, 09:10 PM
    thanks Kenan. no not really, it was more like an escape from reality. some people use drugs or alcohol i used islam  Tongue
  • Re: Heres my story
     Reply #42 - May 13, 2010, 09:23 PM
    Welcome morpheous  far away hug
    Quote
    i started searching the internet how one leaves islam. i got a lot of help from youtubers who themselves had left islam, and they told me all you really have to do was to stop beliving and stop praying and so on. i felt it was not enough, i wanted to do something more.


    Ah, they did not tell you how to undo the shahada? Simple. You just say it backwards.... That's it.

    Just say "Halla alli ahali al ana odahhsa" and your good to go. Afro
    ...
  • Re: Heres my story
     Reply #43 - May 13, 2010, 09:28 PM
    haha are you serious?? or are you tricking me into confessing into some new strange cult  Cheesy
  • Re: Heres my story
     Reply #44 - May 13, 2010, 09:38 PM
    It's just a joke Morpheus Cheesy He just means that there is nothing you're supposed to do to leave Islam. Once you stop believing, you're not a Muslim anymore.
    I know someday you'll have a beautiful life, I know you'll be a star
    In somebody else's sky, but why, why, why
    Can't it be, can't it be mine

    https://twitter.com/AlharbiMoe
  • Re: Heres my story
     Reply #45 - May 13, 2010, 09:41 PM
    haha i see MoeAlharbi thanks for clearing that out! but i have to say i wouldnt be surprised if it was true, islam is a strange fucking religion  wacko
  • Re: Heres my story
     Reply #46 - May 13, 2010, 09:45 PM
    Quote from: RIBS on May 13, 2010, 09:23 PM
    Ah, they did not tell you how to undo the shahada? Simple. You just say it backwards.... That's it.


     Grin
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Heres my story
     Reply #47 - May 13, 2010, 09:46 PM
    Quote from: RIBS on May 13, 2010, 09:23 PM
    Welcome morpheous  far away hug
    Ah, they did not tell you how to undo the shahada? Simple. You just say it backwards.... That's it.

    Just say "Halla alli ahali al ana odahhsa" and your good to go. Afro



     Cheesy
  • Re: Heres my story
     Reply #48 - May 13, 2010, 10:11 PM
    but that doesn't mean you cant celebrate it Afro
    I know someday you'll have a beautiful life, I know you'll be a star
    In somebody else's sky, but why, why, why
    Can't it be, can't it be mine

    https://twitter.com/AlharbiMoe
  • Re: Heres my story
     Reply #49 - May 13, 2010, 10:31 PM
    Good story, Afro
    It's very useful for the world to hear these kind of stories.  It's like useful scientific data. Tongue  That's one of the reasons why I joined this forum.  Partly to narrate my story and partly to keep my spirits up.  It can be a little traumatic to apostatise from a religion as controlling as Islam.


    Quote from: RIBS on May 13, 2010, 09:23 PM
    Ah, they did not tell you how to undo the shahada? Simple. You just say it backwards.... That's it.

    Just say "Halla alli ahali al ana odahhsa" and your good to go. Afro

    Funny one RIBS. Cheesy
    On a more serious note, I have to say, I never felt I had to do anything to rid myself of Islam.  All I had to do was stop doing all the practices of Islam and stop believing all the b/s.  Stopping the daily prayers actually felt a little weird at first.  I kept feeling like going to pray when it was time to do so.  Perhaps all the indoctrination that if you miss a prayer, you still have to make Qada for it, was something I had to consciously rationalise my brain out of.  But it didn't take too long.


    Quote from: billy on May 13, 2010, 02:25 AM
    Converts come from many different angles. There are 'fall-in-love' Muslim converts, Sufi types, Cat Stevens 'I-almost-drowned', etc etc etc

    But this angle really is noticeable, and so, so typical in modern urban Europe amongst those who convert to Islam.

    billy,
    I agree.  Humans have tendency to fall in love with a foreign culture.  Maybe it's something we've evolved.  Perhaps to diversify our gene pool, (although this is only a little theory in my head Tongue).
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  • Re: Heres my story
     Reply #50 - May 13, 2010, 11:09 PM
    Hi Morpheus,
    i had a friend who went though the same thing, wasn't as lucky though. it's surprising how things look when shown a different angle. nice writting enjoyed readin it.


    Quote from: billy on May 13, 2010, 02:00 AM
    This keeps recurring over and over again, you keep hearing this story don't you? Why do so many vulnerable and rageful people find solace in Islam?

    You have to hand it to the dawah merchants though, they often do go out of their way to connect with these kinds of people, at these vulnerable stages of their life. They've done their research.




    they need an out let for that that anger. and by the sounds of it Islam offers a justified way of doing that. Well thats how it seems to look in the begining? Until people really find out the truths i'm discovering everyday on here.
    I;m hooked lol
    I'm  in your pipe Kod, and in your lungs.

    I will find youuuuuuuu muahahahaha
  • Re: Heres my story
     Reply #51 - May 13, 2010, 11:17 PM
    hi Baffla and thanks for reading. may i ask about your friend, whom wasnt as lucky? what happened?
  • Re: Heres my story
     Reply #52 - May 13, 2010, 11:31 PM
    don't really talk about it much. very simlar story to yours but family treated him bad. one of those preacher people got his attention so he joined islam, i remember him at the begining being so happy and confident at the begining like he life was about to change. That veiw soon changed, and then he was gone.
    I'm  in your pipe Kod, and in your lungs.

    I will find youuuuuuuu muahahahaha
  • Re: Heres my story
     Reply #53 - May 13, 2010, 11:44 PM
    ok im sorry if im being slow or anything but what do you mean by "then he was gone"?
    could you be a bit more specific about what happened to him after his apostasy, this sounds pretty serious. thanks
  • Re: Heres my story
     Reply #54 - May 14, 2010, 12:00 AM
    well i don;t know. never saw him again. this was yrs ago though i never knew his family like that so i couldn't ask them. don't even think he lived there anymore. That's why i don't talk about it much coz i have no answers and no way of finding them out. That frustrates me alot, but i was never one to intrude on my friends lives and dig out private info. he never told me and i was ok just knowing who he was then. Past was past. i got a few lil stories mostly not nice but that was it.

    When he was in islam for a while i showed more and more interest as i was curious by nature i noticed a few things that made no sense to me and asked him about it. i guess that triggered his curiousity. As he asked more questions, the more frustarted he told me he got in this new found home for him was not what he thought. I got a few emails from him saying he's leaving the religion and changed his number. i sent my number and never heard bk from him. so to be honest i have no idea what happened, he maybe gone gone or just trying to seem that way and we lost contact.

    One of those questions in life that may never be answered. 
    I'm  in your pipe Kod, and in your lungs.

    I will find youuuuuuuu muahahahaha
  • Re: Heres my story
     Reply #55 - May 14, 2010, 12:18 AM
    Quote from: ateapotist on May 13, 2010, 10:31 PM
    billy,
    I agree.  Humans have tendency to fall in love with a foreign culture.  Maybe it's something we've evolved.  Perhaps to diversify our gene pool, (although this is only a little theory in my head).


    There may be an aspect of that in it, and there very surely are people who convert for reasons that are rooted in that kind of thing. But they might just as easily become a Buddhist, or take up yoga and follow a vague kind of hippy-hinduism.

    Islam emanates messages that attract people - its certainty, its dawah assertiveness. But it also emanates something that resonates in a dark place inside many of those (especially men) who are attracted to it. There is a rage, an anger, even a will-to-deride and sneer at others, that satiates something inside alienated men who are unsure of their identity and place in the world. This segues easily into a hatred, a rejection of life, that seems to be a feature of the convert experience for many men. And it recurs in stories you hear all the time, from all over the place.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Heres my story
     Reply #56 - May 14, 2010, 06:47 AM
    Billy you really need to start working on a novel.
  • Re: Heres my story
     Reply #57 - May 14, 2010, 10:37 AM
    Quote from: billy on May 14, 2010, 12:18 AM
    There may be an aspect of that in it, and there very surely are people who convert for reasons that are rooted in that kind of thing. But they might just as easily become a Buddhist, or take up yoga and follow a vague kind of hippy-hinduism.

    Islam emanates messages that attract people - its certainty, its dawah assertiveness. But it also emanates something that resonates in a dark place inside many of those (especially men) who are attracted to it. There is a rage, an anger, even a will-to-deride and sneer at others, that satiates something inside alienated men who are unsure of their identity and place in the world. This segues easily into a hatred, a rejection of life, that seems to be a feature of the convert experience for many men. And it recurs in stories you hear all the time, from all over the place.

    +1
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  • Re: Heres my story
     Reply #58 - May 14, 2010, 10:40 AM
    Quote from: BlackDog on May 14, 2010, 06:47 AM
    Billy you really need to start working on a novel.


    Naah.....I think I would like to write a couple of pamphlets about Islam though, and just send them out into the internet to float around and mess with peoples heads  Afro
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Heres my story
     Reply #59 - May 14, 2010, 02:41 PM
    Quote from: billy on May 14, 2010, 12:18 AM
    There may be an aspect of that in it, and there very surely are people who convert for reasons that are rooted in that kind of thing. But they might just as easily become a Buddhist, or take up yoga and follow a vague kind of hippy-hinduism.

    Islam emanates messages that attract people - its certainty, its dawah assertiveness. But it also emanates something that resonates in a dark place inside many of those (especially men) who are attracted to it. There is a rage, an anger, even a will-to-deride and sneer at others, that satiates something inside alienated men who are unsure of their identity and place in the world. This segues easily into a hatred, a rejection of life, that seems to be a feature of the convert experience for many men. And it recurs in stories you hear all the time, from all over the place.

    +1000000

    Men like to be macho and domineering not pacifist.  The macho men attract women.  It's the selfish gene theory.
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