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  • help!
     OP - May 14, 2010, 03:15 PM
    hi..im new here and i dont understand exactly how i can ask for help...i live in egypt and i want to leave islam (convert) and its really hard here..impossible as you know for sure!
    so i asked if any one coiuld help me to get out from here and convert in any other country..and live there! i read that this organisation helping a lot of people but i send to them all my informatiom without a respond from them!..so what can i do? can you help me in this plz?
  • Re: help!
     Reply #1 - May 14, 2010, 03:34 PM
    Hi Sherif and welcome!

     signwelcome

    Could you please tell us more about yourself?  We generally encourage people to post an introduction in the intro thread.

    So, why do you want to convert?  What are your current beliefs? 

    I know that in Egypt religious identity is very important and I'm sure that you're aware that if you make it public that you have left Islam it will put you at a social disadvantage amongst others. 

    Have you considered lying low and keeping your beliefs to yourself for awhile?  Perhaps this is the best plan of action while you think about what you want to do in order to escape the mental jail cell of Islam.

    Take care and peace.

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  • Re: help!
     Reply #2 - May 14, 2010, 05:18 PM
    i want to convert for one good reason...that islam is most stupid religion i saw in my whole life! why dont keep it inside of me? because i want a new begining! i cant live any more in that prison called islam! enough!
  • Re: help!
     Reply #3 - May 14, 2010, 05:20 PM
    my email if any one wanna talk about it..and could help me!

    fatehbasha@yahoo.com
  • Re: help!
     Reply #4 - May 14, 2010, 10:54 PM
    eziak ya me3alem (hello mayor)

    First of all whats your current religion? What do you want to convert to? How old are you?

    I am an Egyptian, atheist living in Cairo... yes its irritating, frustrating and boring living here as an atheist or anything other than Muslim, even Christians here are beginning to find it harder.

    But why not just apply for immigration to any place, try Canada, New Zealand or Australia.

  • Re: help!
     Reply #5 - May 15, 2010, 05:32 PM
    I don't think it's wise for you to post your e-mail address with your full name on this forum. Provided that's your full name, of course.
    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: help!
     Reply #6 - May 15, 2010, 05:56 PM
    Hmmm, honestly this doesn't sound legit at all.

    Why not talk here, why does it have to progress to email so quickly?

    Why do you need immigration help BEFORE you leave islam?  you aren't the only muslim turned non muslim living in a muslim country.  They lie low and keep their lack of belief to themselves.  They certainly don't canvass here for immigration help with no background info, no steps already taken, just a quick "help, get me out of here, and THEN I will leave Islam.  Grin  come on, can you not hear how suspicious that sounds?

    So are you just a wannabe immigrant who wants to use the ex muslim tag to his advantage?  at which stage hell no.

    Or a troll trying to be be clever?

    If you are legit, I will eat my own hat though.
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: help!
     Reply #7 - May 15, 2010, 06:13 PM
    Berbs,
    This is exactly what I thought when I saw this thread.
    kimo is living in Egypt and has been a closet Atheist for many years, and he seems fairly happy.  And he hasn't even met a single ex-Muslim in real life yet.
    To leave Islam, you don't need to migrate to another country.  You just need to stop believing all the absurd dogma.  You can still pretend you are a Muslim in real life.
    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • Re: help!
     Reply #8 - May 17, 2010, 05:11 PM
    guys........its true.....and i really want to get out from here! Huh?
  • Re: help!
     Reply #9 - May 17, 2010, 05:23 PM
    Tut Tut Tut  Roll Eyes
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  • Re: help!
     Reply #10 - May 17, 2010, 05:56 PM
    pretend your a muslim in real life?Huh?
    how do you do that??
    go to prayers every friday.. listen to imams preach.. fast in ramadan and eat in the closet..
    pretend to have a normal life??
    or just pretend to live??
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV9vdUjuWxc
  • Re: help!
     Reply #11 - May 17, 2010, 06:00 PM
    Are you male or female?
  • Re: help!
     Reply #12 - May 17, 2010, 06:04 PM
    Quote from: nessrriinn on May 17, 2010, 05:56 PM
    pretend your a muslim in real life?Huh?
    how do you do that??
    go to prayers every friday.. listen to imams preach.. fast in ramadan and eat in the closet..
    pretend to have a normal life??
    or just pretend to live??


    I lived in Egypt for a year and I didn't pray or go to the mosque once. In fact I used to buy alcohol and go to nightclubs every week or so.

    I am not saying Sherif should not try to move to another country. I wish him all the best. But it's not as bad as some might have you believe.


    BTW Sherif, inta sakin fil 8ahira?
  • Re: help!
     Reply #13 - May 17, 2010, 06:34 PM
    ..  that's different then pretending to be muslim...  thanks for clearing that up for me iraqi atheist!!..  Afro
    i know it's not as bad as people make it out to be..
    was there 6 months..




    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV9vdUjuWxc
  • Re: help!
     Reply #14 - May 17, 2010, 07:20 PM
    Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on May 17, 2010, 06:04 PM
    I lived in Egypt for a year and I didn't pray or go to the mosque once. In fact I used to buy alcohol and go to nightclubs every week or so.

    I am not saying Sherif should not try to move to another country. I wish him all the best. But it's not as bad as some might have you believe.

    +1

    This is what I was getting at.  You don't need to tell everyone you are an ex-Muslim.  I know it sucks living as an ex-Muslim in a Muslim country, where you cannot be your true self.  But until Sherif can emigrate, he doesn't need to tell everyone he is an apostate.  I lived as a closet Atheist for many months, going to pray at the mosque everyday and even going to Islamic talks; and I live in Britain.  Even now, I don't tell Muslims I meet that I am an apostate.
    The problem is, Sherif clearly said in his original post that he wanted to emigrate BEFORE leaving Islam.  Maybe, it was just badly worded.

    Anyway, Sherif, good luck sorting out your emigration if you really want to.  I think there is a thread on this forum with guidelines that you will find useful.
    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • Re: help!
     Reply #15 - May 17, 2010, 07:26 PM
    I think he's considering converting to another religion which is punishable by death or prison in Egypt.

    Yo Sherif, have you considered atheism (il7ad) ? do you believe in a creator or personal God?
  • Re: help!
     Reply #16 - May 17, 2010, 07:29 PM
    Why dont you start an ex muslims for Egyptians website?  I know there are ex muslims for Arabs and Pakistanis website, maybe you wont feel too lonely.
    "A good man is so hard to find but a hard man is so good to find"
  • Re: help!
     Reply #17 - May 18, 2010, 07:53 AM
    Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on May 17, 2010, 06:04 PM
    I lived in Egypt for a year and I didn't pray or go to the mosque once. In fact I used to buy alcohol and go to nightclubs every week or so.

    I am not saying Sherif should not try to move to another country. I wish him all the best. But it's not as bad as some might have you believe.


    BTW Sherif, inta sakin fil 8ahira?


    You are right, i actually get alcohol delivery from drinkies here.. And i never pray.. no body really asks or cares.. (hmmm.... they do at work sometimes piss me offf but its okay i can live with that)

    It does get frustrating though if you are having a conversation with people and can't speak your mind. (sure you got what i mean), or in ramadan if you feel like having coffee during the day but hey the late night hangouts in ramadan in egypt are wonderful.. so i can't complain...

    Talking about alcohol, finally in Egypt we got table wine "Shahrazad".




  • Re: help!
     Reply #18 - May 18, 2010, 03:44 PM
    Yeah, life for an atheist during Ramadan in Egypt is pretty shitty. Although in my uni the cafeteria was open and many (and I really many) didn't fast. Needless to say, you can't roam around campus with a bottle of water or a bag of crisps. It's better to eat it in the cafeteria.

    BTW, why is it in the Egyptian market you can only find Egyptian-made Stella or Heineken? We used to drive to a Maadi or Madinat Nasr to get Budweiser or Peroni. Did the government ban them to enforce a monopoly for Egyptian beer?
  • Re: help!
     Reply #19 - May 20, 2010, 10:17 PM
    I think i wasn't clear i actually like ramadan in egypt the night hangouts are wonderful i just get pissed from not being able to drink in restaurants and all..

    No there is no monopoly its just that the imported alc. is too expensive 250% taxes or more..

  • Re: help!
     Reply #20 - May 20, 2010, 11:38 PM
    Welcome Sherif - CEMB doesn't have the resources to take every ex-Muslim out of their country to another country I'm afraid.
  • Re: help!
     Reply #21 - May 21, 2010, 10:03 AM
    Quote from: ateapotist on May 17, 2010, 07:20 PM
    +1

    This is what I was getting at.  You don't need to tell everyone you are an ex-Muslim.  I know it
    Anyway, Sherif, good luck sorting out your emigration if you really want to.  I think there is a thread on this forum with guidelines that you will find useful.



    wheres this thread about emigration? thx .. Smiley

    yes iraqi..im living in cairo but originaly from alexandria...


    kimo....i know what u mean man...and anyway egypt is not saudia! i know...but i just want to live in a real free world!
  • Re: help!
     Reply #22 - May 21, 2010, 10:06 AM
    Quote from: sherif on May 21, 2010, 10:03 AM
    but i just want to live in a real free world!

    Where's that then?
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  • Re: help!
     Reply #23 - May 21, 2010, 10:08 AM
    Quote from: sherif on May 21, 2010, 10:03 AM
    i just want to live in a real free world!


    I can't blame you.

    I hope you manage to find a way to move.
  • Re: help!
     Reply #24 - May 21, 2010, 10:09 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on May 21, 2010, 10:06 AM
    Where's that then?


    lol... true, but there are places that are a hell of a lot more free than other place.
  • Re: help!
     Reply #25 - May 21, 2010, 02:23 PM
    Quote from: sherif on May 21, 2010, 10:03 AM

    kimo....i know what u mean man...and anyway egypt is not saudia! i know...but i just want to live in a real free world!


    Yeah!! i get that..

    Check this out man.. http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/index.asp

    in arabic http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/index.asp&sl=en&tl=ar

    if you wish i can download the documents and send them to you..
  • Re: help!
     Reply #26 - May 23, 2010, 03:01 AM
    thx kimo...that will be great man! yes plz if you can download and send it to me..thx  Smiley
    انا عايز لجوء دينى...او هجرة بسبب الديانة...مش عارف دة ممكن يبفى سهل ولا لأ؟
  • Re: help!
     Reply #27 - May 23, 2010, 11:42 AM
    You have to get a visit visit first and once you're in the country you can apply for asylum on grounds of religious persecution. Chances are slim though so don't get your hopes up.
  • Re: help!
     Reply #28 - May 23, 2010, 12:57 PM
    Quote from: sherif on May 23, 2010, 03:01 AM
    thx kimo...that will be great man! yes plz if you can download and send it to me..thx  Smiley
    انا عايز لجوء دينى...او هجرة بسبب الديانة...مش عارف دة ممكن يبفى سهل ولا لأ؟


    As Iraqi Atheist told you its not easy.. plus those documents do not exist online for download the ones i can send you are for normal immigration..

    For religious reasons you have to pay a visit personally to the embassy..
  • Re: help!
     Reply #29 - May 23, 2010, 01:17 PM
    Quote from: sherif on May 23, 2010, 03:01 AM
    thx kimo...that will be great man! yes plz if you can download and send it to me..thx  Smiley
    انا عايز لجوء دينى...او هجرة بسبب الديانة...مش عارف دة ممكن يبفى سهل ولا لأ؟


    Although of course apostates are suffering persecution, I doubt any country will accept that as the basis for immigration from Egypt unless the circumstances are extraordinary.
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