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  • Re: Muslim designers mix the hijab with latest fashions.
     Reply #30 - May 16, 2010, 03:39 PM
    Quote from: Unechance on May 16, 2010, 03:17 PM
    I saw a hijabi once with tight skinny jeans and stilettos. She was clothes shopping and I thought it was weird... It just defeats the purpose, really.

    Anyway, I don't really know how to think about this sort of thing. Isn't it just romanticising or normalising something that shouldn't really be considered the "norm"? I don't know. It's just the idea of one gender covering themselves up, but now saying "hey, we can look beautiful at the same time", it doesn't fix a sticking point I have with the symbolism of the hijab.

    But hey, anything to water down religion a little bit more.

    I look at it from the perspective that whilst it doesn't remove the symbolism of the hijab it does defeat most of its meaning. Also, by reducing hijab to fashion it places it in the context of that ever-changing world of aesthetics where it can be manipulated until rendered inert.
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  • Re: Muslim designers mix the hijab with latest fashions.
     Reply #31 - May 16, 2010, 05:20 PM
    Ugh!  I had such a hard time trying to find the right clothes which suited my tastes and style whilst not showing off my curves too much when I wore hijab.  I ended up dressing like a frump for awhile.  I can honestly say that if you are not pleased with the way you look then you will not feel good about yourself, period.  I finally gave up trying to conform to the dictats of Islam as I just felt so miserable about myself.  I felt my personality was being buried alive! 

    I'm flamboyant by nature so trying to be a 'proper' hijabi just went against my nature.
    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

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  • Re: Muslim designers mix the hijab with latest fashions.
     Reply #32 - May 16, 2010, 05:29 PM
    I know what you mean nour. My mother has so many issues with what I clothe myself in. I get away with it though because clearly I don't give a crap. I'm just debating whether to attempt at taking it off now and enjoy my last year of high school or to take it off once I've graduated.

    Either way, it isn't any of my business what any other hijabi decides to put on. Frankly, whatever it is they're wearing along with a piece of cloth on their head matters little to me. I can't possibly know their circumstances after all.

    They could be deluding themselves into thinking they're dressing in an islamic manner.

    They could, like me, be biding their time and not believe at all.

    they could be forced to wear it and are trying to somehow put together a style that suits them.

    And on and on. Everyone has a different story. Overall, treating it as a piece of fashion rather than religious symbol can go a long way. I'd rather everyone burned them but you have to first get them to slowly take it off.
    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Re: Muslim designers mix the hijab with latest fashions.
     Reply #33 - May 16, 2010, 05:32 PM
    I don't wear the hijab, but I think my parents might try to force me to wear when I enter Uni.  Cry
  • Re: Muslim designers mix the hijab with latest fashions.
     Reply #34 - May 16, 2010, 05:34 PM
    When I see a girl wearing a hijab and tight jeans I want to say " Nice hijab and nice ass" but I don't. 
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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  • Re: Muslim designers mix the hijab with latest fashions.
     Reply #35 - May 16, 2010, 08:13 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on May 15, 2010, 10:17 AM
    The hijabis in the video cracked me up, I mean a tight cinched waist belt?  form hugging clothes?  they actually think this is all islam requires off of them.  That is their desperation to be free of it.



    That's exactly what I thought.

    Besides it just makes hijab so normal and if it becomes fashionable, especially to young girls, then they won't really see what's actually wrong with hijab and question it.

    I'd like to see hijab eradicated not become more and more acceptable.
    'The greatest glory of living lies not in never falling but in rising everytime you fall'
  • Re: Muslim designers mix the hijab with latest fashions.
     Reply #36 - May 16, 2010, 08:15 PM
    Quote from: Ephemeral on May 15, 2010, 01:35 AM
    Uggs are just ugly in general. I think i'm quite fashionable without making the hijab looking ugly. Although currently I'm dreaming wild ways in which I can stop wearing one (a simple: no I don't want to feels too hard Tongue).


    Lol Uggs may be ugly but they are so comfy, especially in winter!
    'The greatest glory of living lies not in never falling but in rising everytime you fall'
  • Re: Muslim designers mix the hijab with latest fashions.
     Reply #37 - May 16, 2010, 08:16 PM
    Pariah, the only way it can be eradicated is by making it lose all meaning. Fashionable hijabs can only be a good sign. Not only that, but they provide some freedom for those forced to wear it in the first place.
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  • Re: Muslim designers mix the hijab with latest fashions.
     Reply #38 - May 16, 2010, 08:21 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on May 16, 2010, 08:16 PM
    Pariah, the only way it can be eradicated is by making it lose all meaning. Fashionable hijabs can only be a good sign. Not only that, but they provide some freedom for those forced to wear it in the first place.


    I suppose this will have a positive impact on some peoples lives but not for all.
    'The greatest glory of living lies not in never falling but in rising everytime you fall'
  • Re: Muslim designers mix the hijab with latest fashions.
     Reply #39 - May 16, 2010, 08:43 PM
    Quote from: Pariah on May 16, 2010, 08:15 PM
    Lol Uggs may be ugly but they are so comfy, especially in winter!


    Why are they called uggs ?
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  • Re: Muslim designers mix the hijab with latest fashions.
     Reply #40 - May 16, 2010, 08:59 PM
    Quote from: deusvult on May 16, 2010, 05:34 PM
    When I see a girl wearing a hijab and tight jeans I want to say " Nice hijab and nice ass" but I don't. 


    I wish you would. If you do please film it. I know people that will pay good money for it.
  • Re: Muslim designers mix the hijab with latest fashions.
     Reply #41 - May 16, 2010, 08:59 PM
    Quote from: Paloma on May 16, 2010, 08:43 PM
    Why are they called uggs ?


    because they are ugglies
  • Re: Muslim designers mix the hijab with latest fashions.
     Reply #42 - May 16, 2010, 09:10 PM
     Cheesy

    That's what I thought as well!
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  • Re: Muslim designers mix the hijab with latest fashions.
     Reply #43 - May 16, 2010, 09:33 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on May 16, 2010, 08:59 PM
    I wish you would. If you do please film it. I know people that will pay good money for it.

    We're getting dangerously close to a Rule 34 situation here.  whistling2
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  • Re: Muslim designers mix the hijab with latest fashions.
     Reply #44 - May 16, 2010, 09:38 PM
    lol it's a physical law what you want me to do about it  whistling2
  • Re: Muslim designers mix the hijab with latest fashions.
     Reply #45 - May 16, 2010, 09:54 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on May 16, 2010, 09:38 PM
    lol it's a physical law what you want me to do about it  whistling2

    Well we've already made a request under Rule 35, so I say we just sit back and wait.
    Each of us a failed state in stark relief against the backdrop of the perfect worlds we seek.
    Propagandhi - Failed States
  • Re: Muslim designers mix the hijab with latest fashions.
     Reply #46 - May 16, 2010, 09:57 PM
    what's rule 35?
  • Re: Muslim designers mix the hijab with latest fashions.
     Reply #47 - May 16, 2010, 10:04 PM
    If porn of it doesn't exist, it will be made.
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  • Re: Muslim designers mix the hijab with latest fashions.
     Reply #48 - May 16, 2010, 10:06 PM
    I thought that was rule 34?
  • Re: Muslim designers mix the hijab with latest fashions.
     Reply #49 - May 16, 2010, 10:08 PM
    Rule 35 states, if porn of it (whatever "it" is) cannot be found, then porn of it will be made.

    Rule 34 states that pornography or sexually related material exists for any conceivable subject.
  • Re: Muslim designers mix the hijab with latest fashions.
     Reply #50 - May 18, 2010, 03:51 AM
    Quote from: kb999 on May 14, 2010, 10:49 PM
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment_and_arts/10105062.stm

    Well, what do you guys think? Do you think it means that they are progressing? Do the women look ugly? Beautiful? Average?


    I think it means that at least twice a year, some media outlet has to do a story on "fashion hijab."  It's the same story recycled over and over.  I mean, at first it was interesting, but some of these companies have been around for 8 years or so making "western style hijab," so are we over it yet?

    I think it is definitely a step in the right direction, in the right context.  Do the women look beautiful or ugly?  Who am I to say? I think hijab looks ridiculous no matter how beautiful the face of the woman wearing it.  I say that as a long time hijabi and someone whose face looked better in hijab (but the rest of me, not... wearing tailored, more fitted clothes looks better for me than the abayas and such that I used to wear).  I fully own how fucking ridiculous I looked, both in traditional abaya and in my "western hijab." 
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  • Re: Muslim designers mix the hijab with latest fashions.
     Reply #51 - May 18, 2010, 03:53 AM
    Quote from: ateapotist on May 14, 2010, 11:01 PM
    It's a good idea; a step in the right direction.  After this, the next step would be to abandon the hijab altogether. Wink  It would be easier for young women to do so from that step.  However, I don't think the really religious Muslims will wear this.  They would see it as a threat to their traditionalist ways, and not permit it for their young women.


    You would be surprised at some of the people who are into "fashion hijab."  Some of the most fanatical people I knew (politically and religiously) wear fashion hijab.  Still, overall, I knew more people who were trying to be modernized, or Americanized or whatever who wore it than who wore jilbab or abaya and niqab.  
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  • Re: Muslim designers mix the hijab with latest fashions.
     Reply #52 - May 18, 2010, 04:01 AM
    Quote from: BlackDog on May 15, 2010, 08:27 AM
    lol I was googling hot hijabis and found this site:

    http://welovehijab.com/

    and this comment cracked me up because they had images of two (i think) Iranians:

    (Clicky for piccy!)

    “You’re right – non-muslims don’t have much problem with the hijab. It’s muslim girls and women who are ‘ashamed’ of it in a way. To some people, wearing a hijab is akin to slumming it, like not living up to what life is offering. But we have to face it – this life here is just a transition spot for the true believing Muslim. Sad and such a shame they cannot realize that…” -Z.

    I mean are you fucking serious? It's pretty obvious most Iranian women in Iran don't want to wear the hijab, they wear tight clothing (I can the shape of things to come on the left one) and wear the hijab revealing as much hair as they possible can. Turning the thing into fashion.

    My problem is defending the hijab, criticizing those who don't wear it and then wear it as a fashion statement  Huh?


    The mindset of western women who have been indoctrinated into hijab - and I know this bc I was one of them for many years - is that Iranian women need to learn their fucking lesson and they are sooo lucky to have hijab be so important in their government and that Iranian women who wear their scarves and manteau like these girls are an embarassment to the umma.  I know, no one will say it in so many words, I'm telling you the mentality that they're not going to post on their little fashion blogs or say on a TV show where they're asked about Iran.  So they couch it in smug, pious language like "Oh this life is a temporary and the true Muslim wayfarer doesn't have time to have a problem with her hijab because she is so focused on allah soobhannahoo wa taaaa'alaaaaaaaa." 

    Most of these women who say things like that - like that blogger and her fan girls - have never lived with enforced hijab.  Their hijab *is* their choice (maybe one made under the influence of propaganda and peer pressure and all that but still a choice).  Even if they move to Saudia to make ze hijraaaaah for allaaaaaah, it is their choice. It is different when it is your choice.  When I started to live in a place where hijab & niqab were enforced, I began to HATE it and I began to rebel against the rules in small ways and then in big ways - just like these Iranian women and I began to understand why they do what they do. 

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    http://muslimette.com/#muslim-women-magazine

    I mean like many have said you can't kill human spirit. People want to express themselves and they find whatever cracks in Islam to do so.


    Well, there are so many versions of Islam out there, that really, a mainstreamish Muslim in the US can say "There is nothing in Islam that says I can't have a women's magazine," and they will point to the Jewish & Christian women's magazines or the Muslim women magazines overseas (which are like... one compared to the many fashion magazines without hijab or Islamic shit in them). 
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  • Re: Muslim designers mix the hijab with latest fashions.
     Reply #53 - May 18, 2010, 04:05 AM
    Quote from: billy on May 15, 2010, 12:35 PM
    Its called having your cake and eating it. They want to be desirable, stylish and fashionable and individual, like every other soul on earth. At the same time they want to be a righteous slave of Mohammad and Allah, and poke the kuffar in the eye with their self-abnegating clothes to prevent them being seen as sexual objects of men blah blah blah

    The central contradictions of Islam embodied right there.

    Yes, every religions have loopholes that people go through to make it compatible with modernity and their own life. But Islam places these demands on the bodies of women, and makes it much more obvious and apparent, by being so blatantly cruel, misogynistic and stupid.




    Let us be fair.  My friends and I, when we were still believing hijabi Muslim women, used to look at the sites selling clothes for orthodox Jews and veiling Christians and some of us bought clothes from them and they would buy clothes from some of the "fashion  hijab" sites and we would be *jealous* because their rules let them wear sleeves above their wrists or skirts to the knee.  Islam is definitely not alone in making demands on the bodies of women.  We would be in a smug Abrahamic sisterhood, knowing we were living under similar restrictions and bolstering one another in them in our "modern modesty" and all that shit.

    (Oh and ps, the clothes from the Christian and Jewish sites were often higher quality and better pricing than the ones from the Muslim owned ones.  Tell me how shocked you are!)
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  • Re: Muslim designers mix the hijab with latest fashions.
     Reply #54 - May 18, 2010, 04:15 AM
    Quote from: Nour on May 16, 2010, 05:20 PM
    Ugh!  I had such a hard time trying to find the right clothes which suited my tastes and style whilst not showing off my curves too much when I wore hijab.  I ended up dressing like a frump for awhile. 


    I have been without hijab for about two years and only recently have I started to learn or realize that I should not buy clothes that are one to four sizes too big for me.  Because this was how I had to dress for a long time, it is second nature to me now that my clothes should be baggy.  I would look in the mirror and think, "I'm still looking like a frumpy convenience store clerk after I took off the hijab," and thinking this is just what it is.  Then I am realizing, this is so big in my waist, these jeans are so big at the knee, this shirt hangs so baggy at the back, why is that?  Because they are TOO BIG FOR ME, and what I think is "my size" isn't my size at all, it's what I had to compromise so I could wear "regular clothes" and still have on "opaque, loose fitting clothes" to fit the rules of hijab.  And now I have like, $200+ of good clothing that needs to have some serious tailoring done, b/c it is too big - dresses, tops, skirts, jeans... what a waste. 

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    I can honestly say that if you are not pleased with the way you look then you will not feel good about yourself, period.  I finally gave up trying to conform to the dictats of Islam as I just felt so miserable about myself.  I felt my personality was being buried alive! 


    I always was frustrated that my personality wasn't obvious to people when I wore hijab.  But now I can see from the other side what they saw - they didn't see me inside, they saw the image.  Pious possible immigrant, etc.  I made very conscientious efforts to buy expensive, nice, unique, blahblah hijabs, and that made it obvious to Muslims that I was a bit off-kilter or alternative or whatever, but not to non Muslims.   What is "daring" in the religious Muslim community (ie fashion hijab) looks to other people like a desert version of Little House on the Prairie, you know?

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    I'm flamboyant by nature so trying to be a 'proper' hijabi just went against my nature.


    Yeah I just couldn't work it out. It was a lot of effort to modulate one's voice, refrain from laughing, not interject in conversations (esp those of men) and so on.  I gave up about 5 yrs in, and enjoyed shocking (Muslim) people with ever greater frequency.
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  • Re: Muslim designers mix the hijab with latest fashions.
     Reply #55 - May 18, 2010, 10:28 AM
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    And now I have like, $200+ of good clothing that needs to have some serious tailoring done, b/c it is too big - dresses, tops, skirts, jeans... what a waste. 

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  • Re: Muslim designers mix the hijab with latest fashions.
     Reply #56 - May 18, 2010, 10:41 AM
    Quote from: Manat on May 18, 2010, 04:05 AM
    Islam is definitely not alone in making demands on the bodies of women.


    Of course. Its a matter of degree, pervasiveness, certainty and extent though.





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  • Re: Muslim designers mix the hijab with latest fashions.
     Reply #57 - May 18, 2010, 11:57 AM
    Quote from: Manat on May 18, 2010, 03:53 AM
    You would be surprised at some of the people who are into "fashion hijab."  Some of the most fanatical people I knew (politically and religiously) wear fashion hijab.  Still, overall, I knew more people who were trying to be modernized, or Americanized or whatever who wore it than who wore jilbab or abaya and niqab.  

    Thanks for your great insights Manat.  Afro
    Most of my family and relatives wear the all-black niqab even though they live in Britain.
    I get the feeling sometimes that the over-religiosity is unsustainable and the older generation can sense that.  I mean, they will see people like me opting to apostatise rather than opt for the reformed/cultural version of Islam, and they will be worried about the future.

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  • Re: Muslim designers mix the hijab with latest fashions.
     Reply #58 - May 18, 2010, 11:58 AM
    I think the younger people are looking for identiy. Older people might already have that from their countries.
  • Re: Muslim designers mix the hijab with latest fashions.
     Reply #59 - May 19, 2010, 02:29 AM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on May 18, 2010, 10:28 AM
    eBay?


    No, I'd rather have it tailored or work on it myself.  Even if I eBayed it, I wouldn't make back nearly enough money to replace them (like I wear the clothes, they're just too big, so a pin in the waist and things like that). I already gave away or sold my abayas and that. 
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