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 Topic: May 20th. 2010. Draw Muhammad Day

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  • Re: May 20th. 2010. Draw Muhammad Day
     Reply #360 - May 26, 2010, 12:45 PM

    I were just looking on youtube for more muhammed stuff, and came across Wafa Sultan's interesting speech on him:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUp7QLyjWLk&feature=related

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    When I examined the Koran, the hadiths, and the Islamic books, I came to the absolute conviction that it is impossible - impossible! - for any human being, to read the biography of Muhammed and believe it, and yet emerge a psychologically and mentally healthy person.


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    The problem with the muslims is that they do not distinguish between their prophet and their own noses. So when you criticize Muhammed, his actions and his life, it is as if you chopped off their noses


    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

    you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

    - Maryam Namaze
  • Re: May 20th. 2010. Draw Muhammad Day
     Reply #361 - May 26, 2010, 12:50 PM

    seen it before, but some great quotes there..

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  • Re: May 20th. 2010. Draw Muhammad Day
     Reply #362 - May 26, 2010, 02:13 PM

    Lolol oh dear... Jews weren't responsible for the draw Mohammed day... The holocaust draw deny/draw day is really burying them deeper

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  • Re: May 20th. 2010. Draw Muhammad Day
     Reply #363 - May 26, 2010, 03:07 PM

    Lolol oh dear... Jews weren't responsible for the draw Mohammed day... The holocaust draw deny/draw day is really burying them deeper


    They're Muslims, to them Jews are responsible for everything.
  • Re: May 20th. 2010. Draw Muhammad Day
     Reply #364 - May 26, 2010, 06:26 PM

    Lolol oh dear... Jews weren't responsible for the draw Mohammed day... The holocaust draw deny/draw day is really burying them deeper


    Thats actually not why they are doing it, I believe the reason is simply because people were using freedom of speech to draw Islamic cartoons and it didnt get banned, and they think that if the we did the same thing about the Holocaust, it would have been banned because they think that the west are bumchums with Israel.

    But all it really looks like is a case of this classic cartoon:


    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

    you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

    - Maryam Namaze
  • Re: May 20th. 2010. Draw Muhammad Day
     Reply #365 - May 26, 2010, 06:36 PM

    Wafa Sultan-- just another ex-Muslim allowing herself to be pimped out to the hard right Evangelical Christian bigots and Zionists as their token Arab/ex-Muslim. No different than Ali Sina in that respect. She's also extremely intellectually dishonest and quite willing to ignore any atrocity committed by Israel or Western nations. She's thrown her lot in with the neocons and other reactionary authoritarians and imperialists. Fuck her.

    fuck you
  • Re: May 20th. 2010. Draw Muhammad Day
     Reply #366 - May 26, 2010, 06:39 PM

    I think she also said once that all the science books came from the Jews. I found that really a stupid thing to say.

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  • Re: May 20th. 2010. Draw Muhammad Day
     Reply #367 - May 26, 2010, 06:59 PM

    No, thats not what she said, she said something like 'Jews created scientists who wrote text books and earned respect in the modern world, but Islam keeps on demading respect through violence'.

    But I'm pretty sure there are Muslim scientists who also wrote text books, but it was said meaning 'You wont get respect from being this way, you should modernize, create some works and earn it'.

    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

    you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

    - Maryam Namaze
  • Re: May 20th. 2010. Draw Muhammad Day
     Reply #368 - May 26, 2010, 07:06 PM

    Sorry, my mistake. It wasn't just Jews, it was all the kuffars!


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    Can't it be, can't it be mine

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  • Re: May 20th. 2010. Draw Muhammad Day
     Reply #369 - May 26, 2010, 07:16 PM

    Wafa Sultan-- just another ex-Muslim allowing herself to be pimped out to the hard right Evangelical Christian bigots and Zionists as their token Arab/ex-Muslim. No different than Ali Sina in that respect. She's also extremely intellectually dishonest and quite willing to ignore any atrocity committed by Israel or Western nations. She's thrown her lot in with the neocons and other reactionary authoritarians and imperialists. Fuck her.

    Lots of kudos to you Q-Man. Afro You make this site rational and honest.  I apostatised through the Dawkins/science path and then I wasn't too sure where I fitted in, until I arrived at this forum.  I was very uncomfortable with the likes of Wafa Sultan who were being used by the evangelical Christian right.  Of course, Dawkins and Harris hate the evangelical Christian right.  And I wanted to remain rational and unbiased, like a true scientist.  This forum (and your views in particular) make me most comfortable.  I support free speech and individual freedom. Afro

    Edit: billy, IsLame, Hassan, Ferrero, Aziz, Cheetah, etc also make this site great. Afro

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  • Re: May 20th. 2010. Draw Muhammad Day
     Reply #370 - May 26, 2010, 09:37 PM

    Thanks  Afro

    This is the type of attitude against Jews that Wafa is reacting to

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSzLAOv10iI

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  • Re: May 20th. 2010. Draw Muhammad Day
     Reply #371 - May 27, 2010, 11:34 AM

    Exactly BeyT. Afro
    Holocaust denial is completely unsubstantiated and can be defeated easily in a rational debate, but Holocaust deniers don’t like debating with facts.

    Nevertheless, as you say, free speech should be allowed (but not freedom to incite violence).
    See this article in 2006:
    Free speech, even if it hurts
    Protecting the rights of a Holocaust denier ultimately protects us all.
    http://articles.latimes.com/2006/feb/22/opinion/oe-shermer22



    I've always wanted to know- how is arguing with the officially accepted 6 million figure the same as denying the Holocaust? Could anyone explain that, doesn't make sense to me. :S

    Wafa Sultan-- just another ex-Muslim allowing herself to be pimped out to the hard right Evangelical Christian bigots and Zionists as their token Arab/ex-Muslim. No different than Ali Sina in that respect. She's also extremely intellectually dishonest and quite willing to ignore any atrocity committed by Israel or Western nations. She's thrown her lot in with the neocons and other reactionary authoritarians and imperialists. Fuck her.

    Agreed 100%  Afro
  • Re: May 20th. 2010. Draw Muhammad Day
     Reply #372 - May 27, 2010, 11:50 AM


    I think one of the problems has been that someone like Wafa Sultan could only find support on the Right. For various reasons, a support structure for ex Muslims, and their critiques of Islam, didn't exist in the past outside that space. The Left was too complicit with ideas of  identity politics multiculturalism as an ideology, and apostates presented a challenge to some of their ideas that they didn't want to front up to. Hence, the likes of Wafa Sultan were "claimed" by the Right exclusively.

    I have to say, even if she is being used by them, there is a part of me that cannot help but admire Wafa Sultan for the strength and courage of her convictions. Its like a natural corrective - how much shit can you hear being spouted from Islamists, and generalised Islamic apologetics, without someone standing up and saying, enough of this shite. You're lying.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: May 20th. 2010. Draw Muhammad Day
     Reply #373 - May 27, 2010, 12:02 PM


    Edit: billy, IsLame, Hassan, Ferrero, Aziz, Cheetah, etc also make this site great.


    Cheers mate, you're a credit to this site as well  Afro

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: May 20th. 2010. Draw Muhammad Day
     Reply #374 - May 27, 2010, 12:11 PM

    Oh damn!  I forgot BlackDog. Tongue
    and many others.. Afro
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  • Re: May 20th. 2010. Draw Muhammad Day
     Reply #375 - May 27, 2010, 12:16 PM

    ...................................

    I have to say, even if she is being used by them, there is a part of me that cannot help but admire Wafa Sultan for the strength and courage of her convictions. Its like a natural corrective - how much shit can you hear being spouted from Islamists, and generalised Islamic apologetics, without someone standing up and saying, enough of this shite. You're lying.


    And Faraz Nadeem The  Engineer says
    Quote
    Apparently secularism is biased; “freedom of speech” is an oxymoron. As long as freedom of speech serves a purpose it will be upheld, otherwise not so much. While I support freedom of expression and speech, I think there should be a clear line that should never be crossed. Free speech, to the best of my understanding, is in place to protect the people from oppression if there is a tyrannical government in place, ensuring that the voice of the masses is not subdued.

    We have instances throughout history where free speech and expression have lead to wars. Was Communism not just an idea?  Yet, it was openly restrained by the Free world, including the Muslim world. From a secular standpoint, it clearly seems like double standards are maintained by the Free world to restrict an idea or free thought. At the same time, this is an example of lines being clearly drawn in the so-called “freedom of expression and free speech.” It was clearly understood at that point in time that such expression and speech should not be protected.

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    Another right the people in the US enjoy is the right to bear arms, but there are clear laws and guidelines as to when and how to use them. This is to protect others from abusing or violating that particular right. My question is: why can’t there be certain guidelines for the freedom of speech and expression, so they are not abused?


    The global Muslim community is sensitive when it concerns the honour of our beloved Prophet (pbuh). The Jewish community is protected from Holocaust deniers due to their sensitivity on the topic. Why can’t that courtesy be extended to Muslims on the topic that we are just as, if not more, sensitive about? Had there been a page on Facebook denying the Holocaust, it would have been taken down, as it should be.
    Quote
    By that same token, such courtesy should also be extended to the Muslim community. I believe that to ensure a peaceful coexistence or cohabitation, each community should respect the feelings of other communities.


     The world needs to understand that liberal as well as extremist Muslims believe that it is their duty to protect the Prophet’s (pbuh) honour. An act to draw Him, even with the noblest of intentions, is not allowed. Whenever such an attempt is made, every Muslim inevitably find him/herself shoulder to shoulder with fellow Muslims – even the orthodox ones – whom they may disagree with on numerous other issues.

    I am disappointed with the management of Facebook. At least the founder and owner of Facebook, Mark Zuckerberg, being of Jewish decent, should understand how one feels when a touchy issue is brought to a global forum and made a mockery of.

    So I  wonder what the  billy the smoker says  to that disappointed  Faraz Nadeem The  Engineer

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  • Re: May 20th. 2010. Draw Muhammad Day
     Reply #376 - May 27, 2010, 12:32 PM


    I think Faraz Nadeem is wrong, and using that tired and irrelevant cliche comparison of the Holocaust is silly, and its becoming an indicator of wrongness and an absence of thought amongst those who use it.

    I also think that the idea that a religion that holds so much power over individual lives and collective societies, that asserts itself as a universal, totalising explanation for humanity, that prosletyses, that does not hesitate to make judgment on other religions and belief systems, that has so much internal dysfunction it produces extremists who threaten the lives of not just Muslims but non Muslims too, that seeks to assert religious codes in various contexts, that has at the heart of it an idea that anyone who leaves it should be murdered as a traitor.......anyone who says that it should be protected by laws from criticism is, quite frankly, delusional.

    Of course they say its a question of protecting the dignity of Mohammad - but that will include telling the truth about his actions and conduct and life, in response to him being posited by Muslims as insaan al-kamil, the perfect man for all of humanity eternally, and whose life is sunnah, to be emulated by Muslims. Its not just about a cartoon. They just don't want any robust criticism of Islam, especially of Mohammad, because the two are so closely conflated.

    So I would say that to Faraz Nadeem.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: May 20th. 2010. Draw Muhammad Day
     Reply #377 - May 27, 2010, 02:37 PM

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    So I would say that to Faraz Nadeem.

    Righto Captain., let me send that to dr.  Faraz Nadeem., If he has any problem  that is not my problem.  Hell I am only the messenger.  I will give the address, Phone no.. House no.   of  of Billy the smoker in  CEMB.

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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: May 20th. 2010. Draw Muhammad Day
     Reply #378 - May 27, 2010, 07:38 PM

    lol wtf

    billy the smoker Grin i'm so calling you that from now on  dance
  • Re: May 20th. 2010. Draw Muhammad Day
     Reply #379 - May 27, 2010, 07:46 PM

    Righto Captain., let me send that to dr.  Faraz Nadeem., If he has any problem  that is not my problem.  Hell I am only the messenger.  

     Cheesy I am so calling yeezevee The Messenger (PBUH) from now on. Cheesy

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  • Re: May 20th. 2010. Draw Muhammad Day
     Reply #380 - May 27, 2010, 07:56 PM

    billy the smoker


    I like it  Afro

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: May 20th. 2010. Draw Muhammad Day
     Reply #381 - May 27, 2010, 08:14 PM

    This is what one of my friends wrote on his facebook status:
    When you attack black people, they call it racism. When you attack Jewish people, they call it antisemetism. When you attack women, they call it sexism. When you attack homosexuality,they call it intolerance. When you attack your country, they call it treason. When you attack a religious sect, they call it hate speech....But when they attack The Mouhammad (PBUH), they want to call it freedom of speech...

    "A good man is so hard to find but a hard man is so good to find"
  • Re: May 20th. 2010. Draw Muhammad Day
     Reply #382 - May 27, 2010, 08:19 PM

    lol that meme is spreading like wildfire Grin

    And I agree with it as well cause its 100% correct  dance

    I love how people can't see the irony in posting that Grin

    Silly muslumans with their read between the lines
  • Re: May 20th. 2010. Draw Muhammad Day
     Reply #383 - May 27, 2010, 08:26 PM

    The trouble is, the Danish cartoonists are threatened with death to this day.  I don't mind if Muslims call people who draw Muhammad cartoons "Muhammad-phobic", but they shouldn't incite (or commit) violence against them. 015

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  • Re: May 20th. 2010. Draw Muhammad Day
     Reply #384 - May 27, 2010, 08:27 PM

    But when they attack The Mouhammad (PBUH), muslims attack you!
  • Re: May 20th. 2010. Draw Muhammad Day
     Reply #385 - May 27, 2010, 08:44 PM

    Call me insensitive ('cause in many ways it's true), but if you really feel SO ATTACHED to a symbol outside yourself that you're willing to kill people who don't interpret it exactly the same way you do, then you're just begging to be trolled.

    I know, I'm a bad person.  I figure I should just stick with what I'm good at.

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  • Re: May 20th. 2010. Draw Muhammad Day
     Reply #386 - May 27, 2010, 09:25 PM

    That meme is silly IMO, because drawing cartoons is not the same as 'attacking people'. Drawing pictures / cartoons of mohammed is the exact same thing as drawing pictures / cartoons of any other religion, or group of people.

    Southpark already did an epidode about N*ggers. Remember by the way, that the * was an A:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMdNB_rdzlw

    (horrible quality, couldnt find a better one).

    Family Guy already did a full episode mocking Jews, and took the absolute mick out of the stereotype of them being great at financial issues:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqr5CE45sT8&feature=related

    Reply from a Jew:

    Quote
    awsome song!
    im jewish and im not offended so stop being so touchy guys! everyone on family guy gets it sometime: blacks, asians, jews, catholics. everyone! stop being douches and cheer up!


    ^^ I'm still waiting to see Muslim's respond like that to draw mohammed day.

    Both Family guy and Southpark have also done many many more cartoons mocking Christianity. One of them here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHex9GDQ2S0

    None of these were ever considered attacks on black people, jews, or christians, but then when people try the same thing with Islam, it is viewed as an attack.

    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

    you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

    - Maryam Namaze
  • Re: May 20th. 2010. Draw Muhammad Day
     Reply #387 - May 27, 2010, 09:41 PM

     Cheesy gotta love southpark.

    "A good man is so hard to find but a hard man is so good to find"
  • Re: May 20th. 2010. Draw Muhammad Day
     Reply #388 - May 27, 2010, 10:09 PM

    ^^

    Unless you're a Muslim.

    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

    you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

    - Maryam Namaze
  • Re: May 20th. 2010. Draw Muhammad Day
     Reply #389 - May 27, 2010, 10:14 PM

    Actually I liked south park as a muslim, I just did what a sensible person did when they mocked Islam or religion, felt uncomfortable. stop judging muslims as a mass horde of people that think the way you think they do. You've never even been a fucking muslim.
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