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  • Re: What do you think about the idea of Afterlife?
     Reply #30 - June 08, 2010, 04:11 AM
    Somehow an afterlife might help to resolve some of the apparent moral conflicts in this life.

    For example, if it would be considered a heroically moral act for one person to sacrifice their life to save another, then in the absence of an afterlife, only a fool would be a hero.  For such a sacrifice would always be against his own interest (unless they were already depressed and ready to commit suicide anyway).  If there was an afterlife it might be in both the interest of the hero and the person they saved.

    Without an afterlife, the interests of ourselves and that of others will come into conflict at some points.  With an afterlife, they might be able to be reconciled.

    Anyway, there are lots of things about life now I quite enjoy.  If the afterlife means more of those, I wouldn't mind so much.
  • Re: What do you think about the idea of Afterlife?
     Reply #31 - June 08, 2010, 05:35 AM
    it's plain F-ing stupid

    btw are we allowed to curse here?
  • Re: What do you think about the idea of Afterlife?
     Reply #32 - June 08, 2010, 07:50 AM
    Fucking right we can.
  • Re: What do you think about the idea of Afterlife?
     Reply #33 - June 08, 2010, 10:18 AM
    Quote from: Abood on June 08, 2010, 02:21 AM
    Personally, I don't find the idea of an afterlife comforting. I almost converted back to Islam once and was so depressed to believe that I'm gonna live forever. Death is scary, but immortality is scarier.


    I agree, the prospect of forever just doesn't resonate with me. It seems unsatisfactory. Especially if that existence involves some sort of induced euphoria :s

    Immortality is a bit scary.
    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Re: What do you think about the idea of Afterlife?
     Reply #34 - June 08, 2010, 11:50 AM
    If there's a wonderful afterlife, what's there for mankind to aspire to in this world?
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  • Re: What do you think about the idea of Afterlife?
     Reply #35 - June 08, 2010, 01:39 PM
    I'm not sure about the afterlife, but I think there may be something out there. I'm not sure what it is though. Not saying its reincarnation lol, but it might be something else.
    "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshiped anything but himself."
    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

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  • Re: What do you think about the idea of Afterlife?
     Reply #36 - June 08, 2010, 01:42 PM
    What makes you say that?
  • Re: What do you think about the idea of Afterlife?
     Reply #37 - June 08, 2010, 03:14 PM
    I hate the thought of a slow and painful death. If I get too old and incapacitated, I think I would gladly choose some form of assisted suicide.

    I don't really fear death as such, though of course I don't look forward to it. I don't find any sort of concrete evidence of an afterlife. I don't mind non-existing because I quite like sleeping anyway.
  • Re: What do you think about the idea of Afterlife?
     Reply #38 - June 08, 2010, 04:46 PM
    I never understood a lot of things those who really believe in a God and an Afterlife do.

    Why do they mourn their dead?
    Won't they be reunited in a few decades and spend the rest of eternity together? After being reunited a few billion years those decades will be as nothing. If I believed in the eternal afterlife, I don't think I would have to mourn anyone because death would be meaningless. It would just be like they moved somewhere else for a short time.

    Why do they heal their sick?
    Why prevent the sick from dying and rising up to experience the wonders of paradise? If someone dies, then God/Allah must have decided their time was up. No point in fighting that? In fact stealing their death will only expose them to more harm and hurt here on earth. If you truly believe in a paradise, saving someone from dying is actually a cruel and selfish action!

    Very suspicious.  Geek

    Also, the concept of existing for all eternity completely devalues life on earth. The only thing you really have to do is accept the true religion (if you manage to find it from the thousands of choices), and everything else is just wasting time while you wait for death and your ascension to paradise/heaven.

    As for my personal thoughts on the matter, they have already been expressed by others. Especially the Mark Twain quote is fitting.
    Bukhari 62:142 - Narrated Anas bin Malik:
       The Prophet used to pass by (have sexual relation with) all his wives in one night, and at that time he had nine wives.
  • Re: What do you think about the idea of Afterlife?
     Reply #39 - June 08, 2010, 05:00 PM

    I'm a procrastinator so I'll worry about it when I'm dead.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: What do you think about the idea of Afterlife?
     Reply #40 - June 08, 2010, 05:01 PM
    Grin
  • Re: What do you think about the idea of Afterlife?
     Reply #41 - June 08, 2010, 09:58 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on June 08, 2010, 01:42 PM
    What makes you say that?


    Its just something I believe. Of course I may be wrong, but I didn't die yet, so I can't say for sure that nothing will happen.
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    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

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    ~RIBS
  • Re: What do you think about the idea of Afterlife?
     Reply #42 - June 08, 2010, 10:06 PM
    As far as I'm concerned, we are just another animal; and animals are just another living being, and living beings are just a cluster of atoms.  We humans have evolved self-awareness, so we KNOW we will die one day, and we are terrified of it.  So we solve the problem by lying to ourselves using religion and all this afterlife bullshit.  Ta dah!   Hindus use reincarnation to comfort themselves and Christians/Muslims/Jews etc have this life hereafter concept.
    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • Re: What do you think about the idea of Afterlife?
     Reply #43 - June 08, 2010, 11:07 PM
    As I cannot confirm nor deny the existence of an afterlife, I don't see the point in contemplating over it.

    Death itself is only scary to me in part, reason being that I will be absent from the lives of those dear to me and I will not have the pleasure in enjoying their company any longer. 

    Having said that, when I was a muslim I was terrified of death! Heh, glad that episode is over. 
    'The greatest glory of living lies not in never falling but in rising everytime you fall'
  • Re: What do you think about the idea of Afterlife?
     Reply #44 - June 08, 2010, 11:08 PM
    lol why would you be terrified of death as muslim? were you worried in not going to Jannah?
  • Re: What do you think about the idea of Afterlife?
     Reply #45 - June 08, 2010, 11:11 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on June 08, 2010, 11:08 PM
    lol why would you be terrified of death as muslim? were you worried in not going to Jannah?


    Because I wasn't pious enough and would end up in hell. Tongue

    'The greatest glory of living lies not in never falling but in rising everytime you fall'
  • Re: What do you think about the idea of Afterlife?
     Reply #46 - June 08, 2010, 11:14 PM
    ROFL

    Zizzzta don't you know the mercy of Allah is infinite and the window of forgiveness never closes until the Hour?

    Don't you know Allah's Mercy Outweighs His Wrath?

    Allah - Wrath. Mercy. Come in here please.

    Wrath - Yes Mr Lord?

    Allah - Which of You weighs heavier?

    Mercy - My Lord?

    Allah - Well go on then get on this scale.... Ah Mercy you weigh 15 stones and 2 pounds.

    Mercy - My Lord had I known this day would come I would have prepared with a heavier breakfast. But then again we can't all be omniscient as you my Lord.

    Allah - Mercy. Nobody likes a kiss-ass now shut your pie hole.

    Mercy - Yes My Lord.

    Allah - Wrath you're up next.

    Wrath - My Lord may I ask a question?

    Allah - Of course.

    Wrath - Don't you already know the question?

    Allah - ...Of course I do.... You don't and that why I let you ask it, so you may know it.

    Wrath - But I do know it My Lord.

    Allah - Then what the bloody hell are you waiting for it? Come on then spill beans

    Wrath - My Lord shouldn't you already know the results? Isn't this all pointless?

    Allah - ....

    And that's how Mercy tipped the scale in his favor.


    You do what I do and the rest of us did. Jerk off and pray for forgiveness. Drink, pray/fast/pay charity for forgiveness. Simply easy jani. Simply easy.
  • Re: What do you think about the idea of Afterlife?
     Reply #47 - June 08, 2010, 11:29 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on June 08, 2010, 11:14 PM
    ROFL

    Zizzzta don't you know the mercy of Allah is infinite and the window of forgiveness never closes until the Hour?

    Don't you know Allah's Mercy Outweighs His Wrath?

    You do what I do and the rest of us did. Jerk off and pray for forgiveness. Drink, pray/fast/pay charity for forgiveness. Simply easy jani. Simply easy.


    Subhanallah bruzzer, do you not remember that most of the inhabitants of jahannam are women?! Fat chance for a lady like me. Tongue


    Anyhow... back on topic. Smiley
    'The greatest glory of living lies not in never falling but in rising everytime you fall'
  • Re: What do you think about the idea of Afterlife?
     Reply #48 - June 08, 2010, 11:43 PM
     Lmao
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  • Re: What do you think about the idea of Afterlife?
     Reply #49 - June 09, 2010, 12:09 AM
    i'm all for reincarnation. a reboot if you will. hopefully it will be like the ending of lost but held in a strip bar.

    If i end up a ghostly apparition, I'll just hover about and scare people as they masturbate.
    If you ask me to define anything i will slap you with my pimp hand and make you cry like a biatch.

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  • Re: What do you think about the idea of Afterlife?
     Reply #50 - June 09, 2010, 12:51 AM
    Cheesy Human Target,
    Oh no!  So we failed to deconvert you after the Islam and Atheism thread the other day. mysmilie_977

    I'll have another go with this quote from Carl Sagan:
    "For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring"
    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • Re: What do you think about the idea of Afterlife?
     Reply #51 - June 09, 2010, 07:44 AM
    Quote from: Human Target on June 09, 2010, 12:09 AM
    i'm all for reincarnation. a reboot if you will.


    What´s the point when you don´t remember anything from your previous lives ?

    Anyway, as a woman, what if I was reborn as a girl in Afghanistan ? I would rather remain dead.
    Like a compass needle that points north, a man?s accusing finger always finds a woman. Always.

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  • Re: What do you think about the idea of Afterlife?
     Reply #52 - June 09, 2010, 07:47 AM
    Quote from: Pariah on June 08, 2010, 11:29 PM
    Subhanallah bruzzer, do you not remember that most of the inhabitants of jahannam are women?! Fat chance for a lady like me. Tongue


    Anyhow... back on topic. Smiley


    I thought that was only in the Sunni hadiths? Or was there something like that in Najula Balagha?
  • Re: What do you think about the idea of Afterlife?
     Reply #53 - June 09, 2010, 08:48 AM

    Quote from: ateapotist on June 09, 2010, 12:51 AM
    Cheesy Human Target,
    Oh no!  So we failed to deconvert you after the Islam and Atheism thread the other day. mysmilie_977

    I'll have another go with this quote from Carl Sagan:
    "For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring"

    I've been reading the threads and previous posting with interest. it seems that most people have either converted due to a inner need for religion in their lives or been indoctrinated at a early age and had questions which just weren't answered or could not be ever answered in a satisfactory manner.

    I've never had this. I've never had the need or urge to pray regularly nor been forced to attend the temple. Thing that i have been forced to do have been more culturally expected as opposed to a religious requirement, which I've gone with just like many of you to keep the peace. So i could just as well happily carry on doing the same thing for the rest of my life.

    When i die, if there's nothing after then fair enough. If I'm reincarnated I'll have have as much control of it as choosing when i die  I guess i have control as to what I'm reincarnated as by my actions / karma accrued in this life. Does this give me the urge to forsake my worldly possessions and join an ashram in order to attain  a higher spiritual learning and more karma? No. Do i want to remember what i did in a previous life? Speaking for myself not particularity. Although my understanding from what I've read is that it is possible to do so.

    I was reading calms post in the other blogs and bios section in the thread Hinduism and me. I read her objections, but didn't agree with them. Not to say that she's wrong, it's just that her experiences are obviously different from mine.

    AS i mentioned before i've started reading up on hindusim. one thing that i've read so far i find odd.  it may well be i need further insight or i'm unable to understand or comprehend fully. It's not a show stopper however. It may well be like most of you that every time i tug on a string the wider tapestry starts to unravel completely. or it may well be i end up with a couple of loose threads and can live with it.

    I'm happy with the possibility!
    If you ask me to define anything i will slap you with my pimp hand and make you cry like a biatch.

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  • Re: What do you think about the idea of Afterlife?
     Reply #54 - June 09, 2010, 09:01 AM
    Quote from: Paloma on June 09, 2010, 07:44 AM
    What´s the point when you don´t remember anything from your previous lives ?

    Anyway, as a woman, what if I was reborn as a girl in Afghanistan ? I would rather remain dead.


    From what I've read it is possible to retain information from one live to the next. I'm quite happy not to remember, why would you want to remember?

    You would rather remain dead then be reborn as a girl in Afghanistan? why?
    If you ask me to define anything i will slap you with my pimp hand and make you cry like a biatch.

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  • Re: What do you think about the idea of Afterlife?
     Reply #55 - June 09, 2010, 10:03 AM
    Well, I'm sure you all know already that I believe in reincarnation and karma.  I think that once you have managed to shed all the negative energy, in the form of karma you can then progress to the next stage of being which from our mortal standpoint might seem like heaven as there is no pain, starvation, physical ills, etc.  This may take a few lifetimes or perhaps even hundreds or even thousands depending upon how much karma you build up during each lifetime.

    As to being born a girl in Afghanistan, perhaps these unfortunate souls were very bad people in their previous lives and therefore are having their karma meted out to them in their current lifetimes in the form of being a female in the anti-woman society of Afghanistan.  I'm not saying that these poor girls deserve the ill treatment they are subjected to but that there is some higher, karmic purpose as to why they were born as who they are and where they are.  Needless to say, the men who mete out such harsh treatment to these poor girls will get theirs whether it is in this lifetime or the next or even in several lifetimes.

    I'm hoping that I am at or near the end of my time on this hellearth and that when I die I don't have to reincarnate back here and that I can proceed on to nirvana or whatever you wish to call it.
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  • Re: What do you think about the idea of Afterlife?
     Reply #56 - June 09, 2010, 10:06 AM
    Quote from: Human Target on June 09, 2010, 09:01 AM
    From what I've read it is possible to retain information from one live to the next. I'm quite happy not to remember, why would you want to remember?


    I believe that many of our fears and phobias are memories retained from previous incarnations.  For example I have always been scared shitless of being struck by lightning and cower in fear whenever there is a thunderstorm overhead.  Perhaps I was killed by a lighning strike in a past life and the memory is retained in this one as a phobia of thunderstorms?

    I would like to be able to remember or be regressed to find out about my past lives so I know what to avoid doing in this one so that I can avoid having to be reborn and go through another life here. God!  Just the thought of being a helpless baby and then having to go through childhood again puts me off!
    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: What do you think about the idea of Afterlife?
     Reply #57 - June 09, 2010, 10:17 AM
    ...
    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Re: What do you think about the idea of Afterlife?
     Reply #58 - June 09, 2010, 10:19 AM
    Nour: you're a Buddhist I take it?

    Very interesting thoughts I must say. Awais once recommended that I read Ikkyu (he said you recommended it).

    The language of the mob was only the language of public opinion cleansed of hypocrisy and restraint - Hannah Arendt.
  • Re: What do you think about the idea of Afterlife?
     Reply #59 - June 09, 2010, 10:30 AM
    Quote from: Human Target on June 09, 2010, 09:01 AM
    You would rather remain dead then be reborn as a girl in Afghanistan? why?


    I am surprised you need to ask, but below are a few examples of why I would prefer to remain dead :


    Afghanistan: Marriage Practice Victimizes Young Girls

    http://www.islam-watch.org/AyeshaAhmed/Pedophilia-Islam-Allah-allowed-Prophet-Muhammad-Practised.htm

    Inside Lashkar Gah prison: Tragic story of prison girl forced to wed at 10 and beaten every night

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/02/22/tragic-story-of-prison-girl-forced-to-wed-at-10-and-beaten-every-night-115875-21145002/

    Afghan girls return to school after acid attacks
    Students defy insurgents but remain frightened in wake of horrific assaults

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28824491/
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