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Re: Hijab
Reply #60 - May 22, 2010, 02:58 AM

I think Hijabs are pretty, especially the lacy and colorful kinds.
Although I always crack a smile when I see muslims wear the hijab and then wear tight ass clothes and have a cigarette in one hand.
o well, what the hell do i know?

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Re: Hijab
Reply #61 - May 22, 2010, 04:41 AM

I have a hijabi fetish myself.

Oops did I just say that.

But seriously, it's the same as the naughty suppressed Catholic girl stereotype.
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Reply #62 - May 22, 2010, 06:07 AM

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OK Ephemeral. I apologize if I came off a bit antagonistic. I most certainly didn't mean it.

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Reply #63 - May 22, 2010, 06:46 AM

Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on May 22, 2010, 04:41 AM
I have a hijabi fetish myself.

Oops did I just say that.

But seriously, it's the same as the naughty suppressed Catholic girl stereotype.

lol it is isn't it
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Reply #64 - May 22, 2010, 07:20 AM

Quote from: RIBS on May 22, 2010, 06:07 AM
You lift weight IA?

Yes I work out but why do you ask?
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Reply #65 - May 22, 2010, 07:25 AM

I wonder what scholars have to say about the hijabi fetishists. They are more common than most realize.
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Reply #67 - May 22, 2010, 10:01 AM

Quote from: BeyT on May 22, 2010, 07:25 AM
I wonder what scholars have to say about the hijabi fetishists. They are more common than most realize.

I've thought that before. I'd laugh if they say something like "well it's those men who are in the wrong if they act upon their hijab fetish." To which we would say, OMG, that's one step closer to a Westerner's approach!

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Reply #68 - May 22, 2010, 11:12 AM

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"well it's those men who are in the wrong if they act upon their hijab fetish."
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Reply #69 - May 22, 2010, 12:17 PM

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Reply #70 - May 22, 2010, 05:12 PM

Quote from: RIBS on May 22, 2010, 06:07 AM
You lift weight IA?

In case you missed my first post, why do you ask?
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Reply #71 - May 22, 2010, 05:20 PM

Cause in that picture hanging with your vatos, you look jacked.

fuck you
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Reply #72 - May 22, 2010, 05:22 PM

IA... so. Does the horse tranquilizer you take every week give you a err... *giggle* a KICK?
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Reply #73 - May 22, 2010, 05:30 PM

Ah I see.

Let's see how many more will fall for it. So far 2 victims.
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Reply #74 - May 22, 2010, 07:33 PM

Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on May 22, 2010, 07:20 AM
Yes I work out but why do you ask?

Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on May 22, 2010, 05:12 PM
In case you missed my first post, why do you ask?

Quote from: Q-Man on May 22, 2010, 05:20 PM
Cause in that picture hanging with your vatos, you look jacked.

Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on May 22, 2010, 05:30 PM
Ah I see.

Let's see how many more will fall for it. So far 2 victims.

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Reply #75 - May 22, 2010, 07:42 PM

You should've noticed he doesn't look 23
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Reply #76 - May 22, 2010, 08:25 PM

Well... you've been through a lot.
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Re: Hijab
Reply #77 - May 24, 2010, 10:18 AM

Oh my, I was only away for three days and my thread got hijacked big time.

Back to the original serious topic guys?

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Reply #78 - May 24, 2010, 01:01 PM

I knoowwwwwwww. I second that. (I blame boys).

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Reply #79 - May 24, 2010, 01:15 PM


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Re: Hijab
Reply #80 - May 24, 2010, 03:14 PM

Really difficult Pariah. To some people it is a core belief which can take years to change, if ever. The best approach I can recommend is to stand your ground and be consistent with it. But there is the issue of backlashes with this. So best to check which way the air is blowing before throwing that boomerang.

What has it been like in terms of testing the waters out? Every time you see a female English Muslim not wearing one you can subtly just mention "Isn't her hair just lovely! She's a Muslim btw … " and just see what the reaction is. Take this is as some sort of feasibility/probe readings.

PS: Don't listen to me, I'm a guy and don't have the mental capability to understand womanly things.. !

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Reply #81 - May 24, 2010, 03:20 PM

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PS: Don't listen to me, I'm a guy and don't have the mental capability to understand womanly things.. !

Sweet. You gave advice and then say that. POTM FOR SURE!!!

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Reply #82 - May 24, 2010, 03:21 PM

hmm

Honey maybe you should try to lose some weight? But don't listen to me, I'm a guy and don't have the mental capability to understand womanly things.. !
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Reply #83 - May 24, 2010, 03:38 PM

Quote from: Ephemeral on May 24, 2010, 03:20 PM
Sweet. You gave advice and then say that. POTM FOR SURE!!!

Aw, thank you!

Quote from: BlackDog on May 24, 2010, 03:21 PM
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Reply #84 - May 24, 2010, 04:21 PM

You know what Pariah, the more I think about it, the more I think the approach being taken here is wrong. Changing their core beliefs is a very difficult thing to do.

However, as my sisters seem to have shown, they can tactfully use NLP techniques such that my rents don't mind them not wearing one so long as they do so at other times. For a full understanding of the situation, I think the following questions need answering:

How devout are your parents?
How long have you been wearing one?
How pervasive is the hijab in your family?
Are there times you don't wear one?
How loyal are you to to your parents?
Are you okay with saying no to things?
How integrated are you parents to society (I assume you live in the West?) e.g. do your parents have jobs that face the general public?
How strict are your parents?

I understand you may not wish to share such things on a public forum, but these are definitely the variables needed in order to see if the NLP techniques my sisters seem to use will work for you. I think some parental minds are too past a threshold to be changed back. But if your parents are general moderates, I think it is doable.

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Re: Hijab
Reply #85 - May 24, 2010, 10:06 PM

Thanks for your constructive reply HighOctane.

I'm taking this approach because it's the only option I have available at the moment, at least I think it is. I can't say I'm a murtad and I disagree with hijab, so basically all I can do is somehow convince them that hijab isn't necessary/fardh for muslim women.

Anyhow I'll attempt to answer a few of your questions...

How devout are your parents?

At the moment they are very religious and cultural. Mum and sisters were hijab and jilbab.

How long have you been wearing one?

Since I was 14.

How pervasive is the hijab in your family?

Everyone wears it and recently some cousins do the niqab too.

Are there times you don't wear one?

Nope, not when I'm with family.

Are you okay with saying no to things?

With most things, yes.

How integrated are you parents to society (I assume you live in the West?) e.g. do your parents have jobs that face the general public?

We're in London. Parent's aren't intergrated very well at all.

How strict are your parents?

Quite strict I'd say... they're more like the emotional-blackmailing type.

In my family my religious siblings have a lot of authority and parents listen to them a lot.

Hope that helps? By the way, what is this NLP technique?

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Reply #86 - May 24, 2010, 10:09 PM

I'm sorry but before HighOctane tells you all about the magic of NLP please read this article to get a balanced view on it, or at least a skeptical one:

http://www.skepdic.com/neurolin.html

HC can I take a wild guess here?

Do your sisters say a specific phrase and then touch somebody while saying it? To anchor that feeling when they say the word?
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Reply #87 - May 24, 2010, 10:37 PM

Oh, NLP can mean different things to be honest, but what I was referring to was tactful motivational/persuasion skills.

Will get back to you Pariah.

Quote from: BlackDog on May 24, 2010, 10:09 PM
HC can I take a wild guess here?

Do your sisters say a specific phrase and then touch somebody while saying it? To anchor that feeling when they say the word?

Was this question for me? Sorry I don't understand the question ...

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Reply #88 - May 24, 2010, 10:39 PM

Anchoring is a NLP method. Forget it, I used to be into all of this until I realized most of it is a load of crap. Just another thing that's too good to be true, according to me at least.
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Reply #89 - May 24, 2010, 10:47 PM

Interesting, thanks though, I've not seen this side of NLP. The types of NLP I've been aware of have been communication/leadership based e.g. using the correct words when communicating with the right people. I have questioned parts of it in the past.

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