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  • What mohammad said vs what "Allah" Said
     OP - May 27, 2010, 08:49 PM

    So I have noticed a trend recently. It seems that Muslims take literally the likes and dislikes of Mo as life style rules. In the recent drama over draw mohammad day it appears to me that there is no indication in the quran over drawing images ? Let me know if i am wrong.

    But what i dont get is why muslims are sooo hell bent on not drawing mohammad ?

    some silly hadith says so:
    “Every image maker will be in the Fire.” And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The most severely punished of people on the Day of Resurrection will be the image-makers, those who tried to imitate the creation of Allaah.” And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The makers of these images will be punished on the Day of Resurrection, and they will be told, ‘Give life to that which you have created.’”

    but this is what Mohammad said!! It is not in the quran! so it not from the imaginary "Allah"!!!

    It amazes me to see that this pervert's personal opinions are soooo important.

    So I dont get why muslims dont see that w/e Mo said was only an opinion and what "Allah" said is the law?

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  • Re: What mohammad said vs what "Allah" Said
     Reply #1 - May 27, 2010, 09:29 PM

    Thing is he had a direct line to god, and thus, infallible. So if these hadith are completely 100% accurate, which they are considered to be by Muslims, then you have to take it as fact.

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  • Re: What mohammad said vs what "Allah" Said
     Reply #2 - May 27, 2010, 09:44 PM

    but this is what Mohammad said!! It is not in the quran! so it not from the imaginary "Allah"!!!

    It amazes me to see that this pervert's personal opinions are soooo important.

    So I dont get why muslims dont see that w/e Mo said was only an opinion and what "Allah" said is the law?


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  • Re: What mohammad said vs what "Allah" Said
     Reply #3 - May 27, 2010, 09:53 PM

    It gets worse than that.  It's what some guys a while later remembered/imagined/said that the aforementioned pervert's opinion was.

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  • Re: What mohammad said vs what "Allah" Said
     Reply #4 - May 27, 2010, 10:23 PM

    [4:80]
    Whosoever obeys the Messenger, thereby obeys God; and whosoever turns his back - We have not sent thee to be a watcher over them.


    wow thats amazing! Mo was a freaking genius! this religion is a freaking cult!

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  • Re: What mohammad said vs what "Allah" Said
     Reply #5 - May 27, 2010, 10:39 PM

    wow thats amazing! Mo was a freaking genius! this religion is a freaking cult!


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  • Re: What mohammad said vs what "Allah" Said
     Reply #6 - May 27, 2010, 11:24 PM

    It get's even more tangled.  Have you heard of Hadith Qudsi.

    See this from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith#Sacred_hadith:
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    Sacred hadith
    Hadith Qudsi' (or Sacred Hadith) are a sub-category of hadith, which are sayings of Muhammad. Muslims regard the Hadith Qudsi as the words of God (Arabic:Allah), repeated by Muhammad and recorded on the condition of an isnad. According to as-Sayyid ash-Sharif al-Jurjani, the Hadith Qudsi differ from the Qur'an in that the former were revealed in a dream or through revelation and are "expressed in Muhammad's words", whereas the latter are the "direct words of God".
    An example of a Hadith Qudsi is the hadith of Abu Hurayrah who said that the Messenger of God said:
    "When God decreed the Creation He pledged Himself by writing in His book which is laid down with Him: My mercy prevails over My wrath."[6]


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  • Re: What mohammad said vs what "Allah" Said
     Reply #7 - May 28, 2010, 01:25 AM

    haha wow this religion gets weirder and weirder.

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  • Re: What mohammad said vs what "Allah" Said
     Reply #8 - May 28, 2010, 05:35 AM

    the guy wasn't dumb at all. It took him 23 years to reveal the quran. He tried to cover as much area as possible. He even made sure to tell them he is the last prophet to come so that no one can later claim themselves as his successor.
  • Re: What mohammad said vs what "Allah" Said
     Reply #9 - May 28, 2010, 08:26 AM

    The drawing of Muhammad was apparently forbidden after his death, because people started to adore his pictures and Muslims were worried people were going to start worshipping Muhammad as well as Allah.  They still adore Mo, even to the point they worship him in my opinion, how could you adore Allah and not also adore the person he loved more than any other?

    Not only did he have the "Whoever obeys the messenger obeys Allah" line but throughout the Quran he puts himself on a level with Allah.  If you read it you will see quite frequently "Allah and his apostle".  If you read ahadith you will see that whenever Muhammad asked his people "Do you know why X?" they always reply "Allah and his apostle know best", basically giving Muhammad license to invent any old shit he wanted and still have everyone believe him, because they believed it came by the authority of Allah.


    [002:279]    But if you do (it) not, then be apprised of war from Allah and His Apostle; and if you repent, then you shall have your capital; neither shall you make (the debtor) suffer loss, nor shall you be made to suffer loss.
    [003:179]    On no account will Allah leave the believers in the condition which you are in until He separates the evil from the good; nor is Allah going to make you acquainted with the unseen, but Allah chooses of His apostles whom He pleases; therefore believe in Allah and His apostles; and if you believe and guard (against evil), then you shall have a great reward.
    [004:013]    These are Allah's limits, and whoever obeys Allah and His Apostle, He will cause him to enter gardens beneath which rivers flow, to abide in them; and this is the great achievement.
    [004:014]    And whoever disobeys Allah and His Apostle and goes beyond His limits, He will cause him to enter fire to abide in it, and he shall have an abasing chastisement.
    [004:100]    And whoever flies in Allah's way, he will find in the earth many a place of refuge and abundant resources, and whoever goes forth from his house flying to Allah and His Apostle, and then death overtakes him, his reward is indeed with Allah and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
    [004:136]    O you who believe! believe in Allah and His Apostle and the Book which He has revealed to His Apostle and the Book which He revealed before; and whoever disbelieves in Allah and His angels and His apostles and the last day, he indeed strays off into a remote error.
    [004:150]    Surely those who disbelieve in Allah and His apostles and (those who) desire to make a distinction between Allah and His apostles and say: We believe in some and disbelieve in others, and desire to take a course between (this and) that.
    [004:152]    And those who believe in Allah and His apostles and do not make a distinction between any of them -- Allah will grant them their rewards; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
    [004:171]    O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.
    [005:033]    The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,
    [005:056]    And whoever takes Allah and His apostle and those who believe for a guardian, then surely the party of Allah are they that shall be triumphant.
    [007:158]    Say: O people! surely I am the Apostle of Allah to you all, of Him Whose is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth there is no god but He; He brings to life and causes to die therefore believe in Allah and His apostle, the Ummi Prophet who believes in Allah and His words, and follow him so that you may walk in the right way.
    [008:001]    They ask you about the windfalls. Say: The windfalls are for Allah and the Apostle. So be careful of (your duty to) Allah and set aright matters of your difference, and obey Allah and His Apostle if you are believers.
    [008:013]    This is because they acted adversely to Allah and His Apostle; and whoever acts adversely to Allah and His Apostle -- then surely Allah is severe in requiting (evil).
    [008:020]    O you who believe! obey Allah and His Apostle and do not turn back from Him while you hear.
    [008:024]    O you who believe! answer (the call of) Allah and His Apostle when he calls you to that which gives you life; and know that Allah intervenes between man and his heart, and that to Him you shall be gathered.
    [008:046]    And obey Allah and His Apostle and do not quarrel for then you will be weak in hearts and your power will depart, and be patient; surely Allah is with the patient.
    [009:001]    (This is a declaration of) immunity by Allah and His Apostle towards those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement.
    [009:003]    And an announcement from Allah and His Apostle to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah and His Apostle are free from liability to the idolaters; therefore if you repent, it will be better for you, and if you turn back, then know that you will not weaken Allah; and announce painful punishment to those who disbelieve.
    [009:016]    What! do you think that you will be left alone while Allah has not yet known those of you who have struggled hard and have not taken any one as an adherent besides Allah and His Apostle and the believers; and Allah is aware of what you do.
    [009:024]    Say: If your fathers and your sons and your brethren and your mates and your kinsfolk and property which you have acquired, and the slackness of trade which you fear and dwellings which you like, are dearer to you than Allah and His Apostle and striving in His way, then wait till Allah brings about His command: and Allah does not guide the transgressing people.
    [009:029]    Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
    [009:059]    And if they were content with what Allah and His Apostle gave them, and had said: Allah is sufficient for us; Allah will soon give us (more) out of His grace and His Apostle too; surely to Allah do we make our petition.
    [009:063]    Do they not know that whoever acts in opposition to Allah and His Apostle, he shall surely have the fire of hell to abide in it? That is the grievous abasement.
    [009:071]    And (as for) the believing men and the believing women, they are guardians of each other; they enjoin good and forbid evil and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, and obey Allah and His Apostle; (as for) these, Allah will show mercy to them; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.
    [009:074]    They swear by Allah that they did not speak, and certainly they did speak, the word of unbelief, and disbelieved after their Islam, and they had determined upon what they have not been able to effect, and they did not find fault except because Allah and His Apostle enriched them out of His grace; therefore if they repent, it will be good for them; and if they turn back, Allah will chastise them with a painful chastisement in this world and the hereafter, and they shall not have in the land any guardian or a helper.
    [009:080]    Ask forgiveness for them or do not ask forgiveness for them; even if you ask forgiveness for them seventy times, Allah will not forgive them; this is because they disbelieve in Allah and His Apostle, and Allah does not guide the transgressing people.
    [009:084]    And never offer prayer for any one of them who dies and do not stand by his grave; surely they disbelieve in Allah and His Apostle and they shall die in transgression.
    [009:090]    And the defaulters from among the dwellers of the desert came that permission may be given to them and they sat (at home) who lied to Allah and His Apostle; a painful chastisement shall afflict those of them who disbelieved.
    [009:091]    It shall be no crime in the weak, nor in the sick, nor in those who do not find what they should spend (to stay behind), so long as they are sincere to Allah and His Apostle; there is no way (to blame) against the doers of good; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful;
    [009:094]    They will excuse themselves to you when you go back to them. Say: Urge no excuse, by no means will we believe you; indeed Allah has informed us of matters relating to you; and now Allah and His Apostle will see your doings, then you shall be brought back to the Knower of the unseen and the seen, then He will inform you of what you did.
    [009:107]    And those who built a masjid to cause harm and for unbelief and to cause disunion among the believers and an ambush to him who made war against Allah and His Apostle before; and they will certainly swear: We did not desire aught but good; and Allah bears witness that they are most surely liars.
    [024:048]    And when they are called to Allah and His Apostle that he may judge between them, lo! a party of them turn aside.
    [024:050]    Is there in their hearts a disease, or are they in doubt, or do they fear that Allah and His Apostle will act wrongfully towards them? Nay! they themselves are the unjust.
    [024:051]    The response of the believers, when they are invited to Allah and His Apostle that he may judge between them, is only to say: We hear and we obey; and these it is that are the successful.
    [024:052]    And he who obeys Allah and His Apostle, and fears Allah, and is careful of (his duty to) Him, these it is that are the achievers.
    [024:062]    Only those are believers who believe in Allah and His Apostle, and when they are with him on a momentous affair they go not away until they have asked his permission; surely they who ask your permission are they who believe in Allah and His Apostle; so when they ask your permission for some affair of theirs, give permission to whom you please of them and ask forgiveness for them from Allah; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
    [033:012]    And when the hypocrites and those in whose hearts was a disease began to say: Allah and His Apostle did not promise us (victory) but only to deceive.
    [033:022]    And when the believers saw the allies, they said: This is what Allah and His Apostle promised us, and Allah and His Apostle spoke the truth; and it only increased them in faith and submission.
    [033:029]    And if you desire Allah and His Apostle and the latter abode, then surely Allah has prepared for the doers of good among you a mighty reward.
    [033:031]    And whoever of you is obedient to Allah and His Apostle and does good, We will give to her her reward doubly, and We have prepared for her an honorable sustenance.
    [033:033]    And stay in your houses and do not display your finery like the displaying of the ignorance of yore; and keep up prayer, and pay the poor-rate, and obey Allah and His Apostle. Allah only desires to keep away the uncleanness from you, O people of the House! and to purify you a (thorough) purifying.
    [033:036]    And it behooves not a believing man and a believing woman that they should have any choice in their matter when Allah and His Apostle have decided a matter; and whoever disobeys Allah and His Apostle, he surely strays off a manifest straying.
    [033:057]    Surely (as for) those who speak evil things of Allah and His Apostle, Allah has cursed them in this world and the here after, and He has prepared for them a chastisement bringing disgrace.
    [033:071]    He will put your deeds into a right state for you, and forgive you your faults; and whoever obeys Allah and His Apostle, he indeed achieves a mighty success.
    [048:009]    That you may believe in Allah and His Apostle and may aid him and revere him; and (that) you may declare His glory, morning and evening.
    [048:013]    And whoever does not believe in Allah and His Apostle, then surely We have prepared burning fire for the unbelievers.
    [048:017]    There is no harm in the blind, nor is there any harm in the lame, nor is there any harm in the sick (if they do not go forth); and whoever obeys Allah and His Apostle, He will cause him to enter gardens beneath which rivers flow, and whoever turns back, He will punish him with a painful punishment.
    [049:001]    O you who believe! be not forward in the presence of Allah and His Apostle, and be careful of (your duty to) Allah; surely Allah is Hearing, Knowing.
    [049:014]    The dwellers of the desert say: We believe. Say: You do not believe but say, We submit; and faith has not yet entered into your hearts; and if you obey Allah and His Apostle, He will not diminish aught of your deeds; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
    [049:015]    The believers are only those who believe in Allah and His Apostle then they doubt not and struggle hard with their wealth and their lives in the way of Allah; they are the truthful ones.
    [057:007]    Believe in Allah and His Apostle, and spend out of what He has made you to be successors of; for those of you who believe and spend shall have a great reward.
    [057:019]    And (as for) those who believe in Allah and His apostles, these it is that are the truthful and the faithful ones in the sight of their Lord: they shall have their reward and their light, and (as for) those who disbelieve and reject Our communications, these are the inmates of the hell.
    [057:021]    Hasten to forgiveness from your Lord and to a garden the extensiveness of which is as the extensiveness of the heaven and the earth; it is prepared for those who believe in Allah and His apostles; that is the grace of Allah: He gives it to whom He pleases, and Allah is the Lord of mighty grace.
    [058:004]    But whoever has not the means, let him fast for two months successively before they touch each other; then as for him who is not able, let him feed sixty needy ones; that is in order that you may have faith in Allah and His Apostle, and these are Allah's limits, and the unbelievers shall have a painful punishment.
    [058:005]    Surely those who act in opposition to Allah and His Apostle shall be laid down prostrate as those before them were laid down prostrate; and indeed We have revealed clear communications, and the unbelievers shall have an abasing chastisement.
    [058:013]    Do you fear that you will not (be able to) give in charity before your consultation? So when you do not do it and Allah has turned to you (mercifully), then keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and obey Allah and His Apostle; and Allah is Aware of what you do.
    [058:020]    Surely (as for) those who are in opposition to Allah and His Apostle; they shall be among the most abased.
    [058:022]    You shall not find a people who believe in Allah and the latter day befriending those who act in opposition to Allah and His Apostle, even though they were their (own) fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their kinsfolk; these are they into whose hearts He has impressed faith, and whom He has strengthened with an inspiration from Him: and He will cause them to enter gardens beneath which rivers flow, abiding therein; Allah is well-pleased with them and they are well-pleased with Him these are Allah's party: now surely the party of Allah are the successful ones.
    [059:004]    That is because they acted in opposition to Allah and His Apostle, and whoever acts in opposition to Allah, then surely Allah is severe in retributing (evil).
    [059:008]    (It is) for the poor who fled their homes and their possessions, seeking grace of Allah and (His) pleasure, and assisting Allah and His Apostle: these it is that are the truthful.
    [061:011]    You shall believe in Allah and His Apostle, and struggle hard in Allah's way with your property and your lives; that is better for you, did you but know!
    [064:008]    Therefore believe in Allah and His Apostle and the Light which We have revealed; and Allah is Aware of what you do.
    [072:023]    (It is) only a delivering (of communications) from Allah and His messages; and whoever disobeys Allah and His Apostle surely he shall have the fire of hell to abide therein for a long time.

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  • Re: What mohammad said vs what "Allah" Said
     Reply #10 - May 30, 2010, 01:12 AM

    holy crap! thanks dude. How could i have missed all this ??

    I am surprised muslims dont see right through this shit.

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  • Re: What mohammad said vs what "Allah" Said
     Reply #11 - May 30, 2010, 07:31 AM

    To tell the truth it is a great strength and a great weakness. It is a strength because once a leader is imbued with the 'power of God' his words become unquestionable.  Who dares question God is the answer that is given when someone questions the actions of , what is in reality, a normal everyday person. 

    The great weakness is that once this rule of infallibility is set up all it takes is one false step to bring the whole house of cards down, and that is pretty hard to do.  That is why you see 'parlor tricks' used by 'prophets' like abrogation, appeals to authority, appeals to selection bias, incomplete logical induction, blah blah blah. 

    but all it takes is one mistake and I haven't seen or heard of a person who fits that bill yet, and there have been plenty before and after Muhammod who have tried to play the part. 

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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  • Re: What mohammad said vs what "Allah" Said
     Reply #12 - May 30, 2010, 07:40 AM

    @ deu

    Muhammed, according to Quran, IS fallible.

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  • Re: What mohammad said vs what "Allah" Said
     Reply #13 - May 30, 2010, 07:50 AM

    well yes and no.  When I say infallible i don't mean the Catholic version of infallible which means cannot make a mistake.  I mean cannot make a mistake when acting in the name of God( because God doesn't make mistakes), which is roughly the parallel of what my old faith held in the view of prophets, not in some ultra human never made a mistake in his/her life type of way.

    Feel free to correct me. 

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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  • Re: What mohammad said vs what "Allah" Said
     Reply #14 - May 30, 2010, 07:58 AM

    oh, OK.

    Shia Muslims, by the way, believe that Muhammed (and all the prophets) were infallible, in the Catholic sense. (despite all the verses in the Quran that says Muhammed sinned).

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  • Re: What mohammad said vs what "Allah" Said
     Reply #15 - May 30, 2010, 08:30 AM

    Not only Moe but the 12 Imams as well   Grin
  • Re: What mohammad said vs what "Allah" Said
     Reply #16 - May 30, 2010, 09:14 AM

    Muhammed, according to Quran, IS fallible.


    Yes, it also says that he cannot have any miracles yet so many people claim he split the Moon in two.  I am certain you are too intelligent to believe he ever did that, so this is just a point of interest Smiley

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  • Re: What mohammad said vs what "Allah" Said
     Reply #17 - May 30, 2010, 12:28 PM

    Yes, it also says that he cannot have any miracles yet so many people claim he split the Moon in two.  I am certain you are too intelligent to believe he ever did that, so this is just a point of interest Smiley

    Actually DB, do you believe that Mo really split the moon?  

    I think Rationlizer actullay proved that there was an eclipse at that time using Nasa's records, and wondering how you see what happened popcorn

    Same question to AbuY too..

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  • Re: What mohammad said vs what "Allah" Said
     Reply #18 - May 30, 2010, 12:33 PM

    Yes, it also says that he cannot have any miracles yet so many people claim he split the Moon in two.  I am certain you are too intelligent to believe he ever did that, so this is just a point of interest Smiley


    If I can believe Jesus raised the dead, then why can't I believe Muhammed split the moon? Anyway, the answer is no. I don't believe he performed any miracles AT ALL, simply because, as you said, the Quran in many places said he won't perform miracles.

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  • Re: What mohammad said vs what "Allah" Said
     Reply #19 - May 30, 2010, 12:38 PM

    debunker,
    Your version of Islam is quite interesting, and rare these days.
    Just one question if you don't mind.  I was curious whether you believed in Sharia law.  Or are you a secular Muslim?

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  • Re: What mohammad said vs what "Allah" Said
     Reply #20 - May 30, 2010, 12:45 PM

    Actually DB, do you believe that Mo really split the moon?  

    I think Rationlizer actullay proved that there was an eclipse at that time using Nasa's records, and wondering how you see what happened popcorn

    Same question to AbuY too..


    REALLY??!! Because there is a Hadith that says: Muhammed told the pagans there will be an eclipse on that night and when the eclipse occured, they called him a magician... so this Hadith says Muhammed did NOT perform a miracle, he only prophesied a natural event!

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  • Re: What mohammad said vs what "Allah" Said
     Reply #21 - May 30, 2010, 12:46 PM

    debunker,
    Your version of Islam is quite interesting, and rare these days.
    Just one question if you don't mind.  I was curious whether you believed in Sharia law.  Or are you a secular Muslim?


    No. I don't believe in Sharia law, but I still don't want liquor stores in my country, nor night clubs.

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  • Re: What mohammad said vs what "Allah" Said
     Reply #22 - May 30, 2010, 12:50 PM

    No. I don't believe in Sharia law, but I still don't want liquor stores in my country, nor night clubs.

    What about free speech like we have it here (in the Western world)? Would this forum be blocked in your country? piggy

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  • Re: What mohammad said vs what "Allah" Said
     Reply #23 - May 30, 2010, 01:06 PM

    free speech? yeah... I would love it, assuming it's possible, to criticize the ruling elite... so politically, yeah I support free speach... and while I would never want apostates to hide their apostasy, I don't support making it easy for them to air their views...

    For example, let's pretend I am the governor, and you are an atheist citizen who declared his apostasy and held private meetings at your home promoting atheism... then I have no problem with you...

    You went a step further and made a web site bashing Islam, I still have no problem with you, BUT I WILL BLOCK your site, even though I will still not prosecute you.

    The point is: do whatever you like, but don't expect me, as a governor, to help you in anyway to bash Islam... because in this case, I'd be sharing your guilt.

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  • Re: What mohammad said vs what "Allah" Said
     Reply #24 - May 30, 2010, 01:15 PM

    Not only Moe but the 12 Imams as well   Grin


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  • Re: What mohammad said vs what "Allah" Said
     Reply #25 - May 30, 2010, 01:17 PM

    free speech? yeah... I would love it, assuming it's possible, to criticize the ruling elite... so politically, yeah I support free speach... and while I would never want apostates to hide their apostasy, I don't support making it easy for them to air their views...

    For example, let's pretend I am the governor, and you are an atheist citizen who declared his apostasy and held private meetings at your home promoting atheism... then I have no problem with you...

    You went a step further and made a web site bashing Islam, I still have no problem with you, BUT I WILL BLOCK your site, even though I will still not prosecute you.

    The point is: do whatever you like, but don't expect me, as a governor, to help you in anyway to bash Islam... because in this case, I'd be sharing your guilt.


    That's not free speech. You just opened the door to let the elitists do as they wish. Because trade Islam for whatever ideology you have and presto block sites and free speech.
  • Re: What mohammad said vs what "Allah" Said
     Reply #26 - May 30, 2010, 01:41 PM

    I never said I was no Muslim. And I won't share the guilt of anyone... if someone wants to apostate, they can do whatever they want without expecting me to help them.

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: What mohammad said vs what "Allah" Said
     Reply #27 - May 30, 2010, 01:44 PM

    @ Islame/Rationalizer

    where's the Nasa link to the eclipse of the moon?

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: What mohammad said vs what "Allah" Said
     Reply #28 - May 30, 2010, 02:02 PM

    On Rationlizer vid. 

    He had copied a table from the Nasa website, which he typed in the coordinates and approximate year.

    The table showed the exact year, month, date and time (think it was around 3pm and lasted about 30mins off the top of my head).  Quite an impressive find I thought.

    But he pulled the video as Hass told him there were some inaccuracies in it, so you'll have to go go to Nasas website & plug in the data yourself or make friends with Rtnlzr again, and ask him to send it to you Wink

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  • Re: What mohammad said vs what "Allah" Said
     Reply #29 - May 30, 2010, 02:08 PM

    REALLY??!! Because there is a Hadith that says: Muhammed told the pagans there will be an eclipse on that night and when the eclipse occured, they called him a magician... so this Hadith says Muhammed did NOT perform a miracle, he only prophesied a natural event!

    Please show me the source in the hadith.

    Nevertheless this is what the Quran says about splitting the moon, not it uses the word split as opposed to overshadow:

    (54:1) – “The moon has split and the hour has drawn closer. Then they saw a great miracle; but they turned away and said, “Old magic.” They disbelieved, followed their opinions, and adhered to their old traditions.”

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