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Reply #30 - May 31, 2010, 06:43 AM

Quote from: BlackDog on May 28, 2010, 11:12 PM
I love you all because you are good people and I love good.

lol wtf was up with me

(i was drunk)
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Reply #31 - May 31, 2010, 09:24 AM

Quote from: BlackDog on May 31, 2010, 06:43 AM
lol wtf was up with me

(i was drunk)

lol, i knew there was something unlike u about that post

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Reply #32 - May 31, 2010, 09:54 AM
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Reply #33 - June 01, 2010, 08:23 AM

Quote from: z10 on May 28, 2010, 07:03 PM
Though I suspect there are many darwinists here that will probably reduce love down to either the rapid production of dopomine or a parasitic meme but I would like to ask, what do you think love is? Is it more than just brain chemistry? Is it an ontological part of reality or just a fiction of the human mind?

I just want to point something out. Although I could describe to you at an atom level what colour is there is no way I could explain to someone blind from birth what a colour looks like.

Just because the description doesn't do it justice it doesn't mean it is anything more than as described.

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Reply #34 - June 01, 2010, 08:49 AM

Shit we can intellectualize art, literature and music doesn't mean the magic still isn't there when we’re done. That goes for spirituality as well I guess.
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Reply #35 - June 01, 2010, 10:37 AM

Personally I think it all comes down to chemicals. So yes in my opnion you can do a materialistic reduction of love. And I agree with Rationalizer in that being able to reduce it to basic materialistic components doesn't make the felling of being in love or the love for my child any less fantastic. I'm still feeling it

Here's a simple explanation of the chemical processes in connection with love:
http://www.youramazingbrain.org/lovesex/sciencelove.htm

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Reply #36 - June 01, 2010, 10:40 AM

And here's the recipe of chemicals from that article

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Scientists think that three main neurotransmitters are involved in this stage; adrenaline, dopamine and serotonin.

Adrenaline

The initial stages of falling for someone activates your stress response, increasing your blood levels of adrenalin and cortisol. This has the charming effect that when you unexpectedly bump into your new love, you start to sweat, your heart races and your mouth goes dry.

Dopamine

Helen Fisher asked newly ‘love struck’ couples to have their brains examined and discovered they have high levels of the neurotransmitter dopamine. This chemical stimulates ‘desire and reward’ by triggering an intense rush of pleasure. It has the same effect on the brain as taking cocaine!

Fisher suggests “couples often show the signs of surging dopamine: increased energy, less need for sleep or food, focused attention and exquisite delight in smallest details of this novel relationship” .

Serotonin

And finally, serotonin. One of love's most important chemicals that may explain why when you’re falling in love, your new lover keeps popping into your thoughts.

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Reply #37 - June 01, 2010, 11:19 AM

I think love arises out of a combination of biochemical, envinormental and mental factors. If there is an excess of dopamine or lack of serotinin people often experience low moods/depression. For you to feel elated feelings of joy/love the aforementioned NT play a vital role in wiring the brain for us to have the experience. With reference to environmental factors, close proximity has been shown to increase either our liking/disliking for a person. If we like someone and we are in contact with them often then it is possible for that increased liking to result in what we define as 'love'; furthermore, social factors could be coupled with the mingling of sex pheramones, at a subconscious level of our knowing resulting in intense liking/attraction to a particular person. I personally think this goes some way in explaining how people report to fall out of love when there is a distance between them/lack of contact. And finally, if you mentally reason your way to not getting involved with someone you're less likely to report feelings of 'love'.

The interaction of multiple factors reflects the complex nature of humans; to pinpoint a specific cause could be at the cost of numerous factors interacting together at a specific level to give a specific output.
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Reply #38 - June 01, 2010, 11:21 AM

Don't do it folks, its a losing game.

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Reply #39 - June 01, 2010, 12:02 PM

I kicked love to the curb. Love don't live here no more.
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Reply #40 - June 01, 2010, 12:04 PM

Quote from: Ferrero on June 01, 2010, 11:19 AM
I think love arises out of a combination of biochemical, envinormental and mental factors. If there is an excess of dopamine or lack of serotinin people often experience low moods/depression. For you to feel elated feelings of joy/love the aforementioned NT play a vital role in wiring the brain for us to have the experience. With reference to environmental factors, close proximity has been shown to increase either our liking/disliking for a person. If we like someone and we are in contact with them often then it is possible for that increased liking to result in what we define as 'love'; furthermore, social factors could be coupled with the mingling of sex pheramones, at a subconscious level of our knowing resulting in intense liking/attraction to a particular person. I personally think this goes some way in explaining how people report to fall out of love when there is a distance between them/lack of contact. And finally, if you mentally reason your way to not getting involved with someone you're less likely to report feelings of 'love'.

The interaction of multiple factors reflects the complex nature of humans; to pinpoint a specific cause could be at the cost of numerous factors interacting together at a specific level to give a specific output.

This is true, it's like when I removed all my posters of Angelina Jolie. I had wall-pappered my room with her pictures. And I removed them all and then I was not in love with her anymore. It's like she was never in my heart.
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Reply #41 - June 04, 2010, 01:14 AM

Quote from: IsLame on May 28, 2010, 09:56 PM
I sang one of Barry White's numbers to a girl once whilst making love. I cant believe I just admitted that

What made it even more embarrassing was that she looked at me kinda funny so I had to immediately stop.

lol. MY firs ever proper girlfriend a long long time ago, when she broke up with me, i was so devastated, i almost started singing "everything i do i do it for you" the bryan adams song. My synapses must have been going haywire at the moment. I honestly thought i was going to launch into it. Thank god i didn't. the worst thing was i didn't even know the words.

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Reply #42 - June 04, 2010, 01:41 AM

like life id like to think love is a mystery. things like this does not need an explanation, it just takes away the beauty of it.
i feel life and love cannot be described with words, it has to be experienced for one to know what it truly is.
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Reply #43 - June 04, 2010, 03:32 AM

I don't understand why people think explaining things scientifically strips their magic and beauty from them. Science actually makes things more beautiful, because paradoxically, the more we know, the more we're befuddled at how those things came to be, how all the elements became one and formed our universe. A scientific universe is much more awe-inspiring than a universe created by God. The religious view of things is so boring. What's so great about God assembling everything together? People create things everyday; nothing special about that. When I was a Muslim, I would look towards the sky and try to see something, try to be amazed, but I never was; the sky seemed so lame and mundane. Today, I look into the sky and almost cry. Every time I'm depressed I remind myself to look into the horizon and am filled with joy.

The same is true for love. The fact that it's a Darwinian force doesn't make it less beautiful; on the contrary. Isn't it so amazing that it's a Darwinian force and yet it's so powerful that our lives revolve around it? How did those elements and forces come together to enslave us? Isn't that beautiful? Isn't it mystical?
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Reply #44 - June 04, 2010, 07:17 AM

Quote from: Abood on June 04, 2010, 03:32 AM
I don't understand why people think explaining things scientifically strips their magic and beauty from them. Science actually makes things more beautiful, because paradoxically, the more we know, the more we're befuddled at how those things came to be, how all the elements became one and formed our universe. A scientific universe is much more awe-inspiring than a universe created by God.

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Reply #45 - June 04, 2010, 07:21 AM

Quote from: Abood on June 04, 2010, 03:32 AM
I don't understand why people think explaining things scientifically strips their magic and beauty from them. Science actually makes things more beautiful, because paradoxically, the more we know, the more we're befuddled at how those things came to be, how all the elements became one and formed our universe. A scientific universe is much more awe-inspiring than a universe created by God. The religious view of things is so boring. What's so great about God assembling everything together? People create things everyday; nothing special about that. When I was a Muslim, I would look towards the sky and try to see something, try to be amazed, but I never was; the sky seemed so lame and mundane. Today, I look into the sky and almost cry. Every time I'm depressed I remind myself to look into the horizon and am filled with joy.

The same is true for love. The fact that it's a Darwinian force doesn't make it less beautiful; on the contrary. Isn't it so amazing that it's a Darwinian force and yet it's so powerful that our lives revolve around it? How did those elements and forces come together to enslave us? Isn't that beautiful? Isn't it mystical?

Richard Dawkins is that you?

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Reply #46 - June 04, 2010, 12:11 PM

It goes something like this..

"Science is wonderful. If you dont agree, you can just fuck off" Dawkins

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Reply #47 - June 04, 2010, 12:21 PM

"Science is interesting, and if you don't like it you can fuck off" - The New Scientist.

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Reply #48 - June 04, 2010, 12:51 PM

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Reply #49 - June 04, 2010, 05:39 PM

^^
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Reply #50 - June 04, 2010, 06:01 PM

funny one BD.

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Reply #51 - June 04, 2010, 06:07 PM
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Reply #52 - June 04, 2010, 06:42 PM

When you love someone you want to build your dreams with them. You feel incomplete without them in the picture of your life, when you see them everyday but you don't see them the next and you still miss them, you think about them everyday. Love gives you courage and strength you never knew you had. They are your best friend and you want to share everything with them, they make you confident and you work with each other and teach each other. It's when you feel sad when they are. Love isn't perfect, but you see past their flaws to who they really are and that's why you love them.

This is partly how I would describe my experience, but like a previous poster said, you can only truely know love by experiencing it yourself.

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Reply #53 - June 04, 2010, 06:48 PM

I haven't felt that way since I was like... 20!!
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Reply #54 - June 04, 2010, 07:53 PM

Quote from: stardust on June 04, 2010, 06:42 PM
When you love someone you want to build your dreams with them. You feel incomplete without them in the picture of your life, when you see them everyday but you don't see them the next and you still miss them, you think about them everyday. Love gives you courage and strength you never knew you had. They are your best friend and you want to share everything with them, they make you confident and you work with each other and teach each other. It's when you feel sad when they are. Love isn't perfect, but you see past their flaws to who they really are and that's why you love them.

This is partly how I would describe my experience, but like a previous poster said, you can only truely know love by experiencing it ON yourself.

God.. its like you can look into my heart and see my soul. I feel like that ^^^ every time I look myself in the mirror.

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Reply #55 - June 04, 2010, 08:44 PM

Lol

Quote from: BlackDog on June 04, 2010, 07:53 PM
God.. its like you can look into my heart and see my soul. I feel like that ^^^ every time I look myself in the mirror.

Oh hello there!

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Reply #56 - June 04, 2010, 09:12 PM

Quote from: Soren on June 01, 2010, 10:37 AM
Here's a simple explanation of the chemical processes in connection with love:
http://www.youramazingbrain.org/lovesex/sciencelove.htm

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By analysing blood samples from the lovers, Dr Marazitti discovered that serotonin levels of new lovers were equivalent to the low serotonin levels of Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder patients.

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Reply #57 - June 04, 2010, 09:14 PM

lol that's actually pretty fucking funny
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Reply #58 - June 04, 2010, 09:52 PM

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By analysing blood samples from the lovers, Dr Marazitti discovered that serotonin levels of new lovers were equivalent to the low serotonin levels of Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder patients.

I dont get that Low seratonin levels is tradtionally associated with depression, but new lovers are far from depressed, if anything they are drunk with ecstacy!

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Reply #59 - June 04, 2010, 10:24 PM

Right but the comparison was that since seratonin is "a chemical necessary for communication between nerve cells" then if levels of new lovers = low serotonin levels of Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder patients then the thought of new lovers are obsessively-compulsively fond of each other comes into my mind ... which equates/explains some what why new lovers can be crazy about each other ... you know, that initial excitement phase ...

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