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  • 57 Pakistani Hindus convert to Islam 'under pressure'
     OP - May 30, 2010, 01:28 PM

    ISLAMABAD: Over 50 Pakistani Hindus have converted to Islam in the Sialkot district of Punjab within a week (between May 14 and May 19) under pressure from their Muslim employers in a bid to retain their jobs and survive in the Muslim-dominated society.

    http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_57-pakistani-hindus-convert-to-islam-under-pressure_1388695

    All the 57 Hindus who have converted belong to the Pasroor town of Sialkot.

    According to some Pakistani electronic media reports, Mangut Ram, a close relative of some of the new converts, who lives in Sialkot, said that these Hindus had to embrace Islam because they were under pressure from their Muslim employers.

    He said four Hindu brothers along with their families lived in the village of Nikki Pindi. Mangut Ram said that Hans Raj, Kans Raj, Meena/Kartar and Sardari Lal along with his nephews and sons worked at an eatery in Karachi.

    According to Mangut Ram, his co workers often used to speak against Hindus in Karachi where his family worked. “The owner of the shop where I worked said that after a few months of his employing me the sales dropped drastically because people avoided purchasing and eating edibles prepared by Hindus. Many people opposed the large presence of Hindu employees at his shop and my boss felt pressured to change the situation,” he added.

    Ram said Sardari Lal and his brother Meena/Kartar had worked at the sweets shops for several years and made a decent living that allowed them to support their families.

    He said other Muslims employees of the nearby shops discriminated against them and persecuted them. The shop owner was forced to think about their future at his establishment. “That was when the two brothers and their families decided to embrace Islam in order to keep their jobs and be secure,” he added.

    Ram confirmed that 13 family members of Sardari Lal, 12 members of Meena/ Kartar, their nephew Kans Raj’s son Boota Ram along with three adults and several children of these families embraced Islam on May 14, 2010.

    He said that Sardari Lal’s older brothers Hans Raj and Kans Raj remained Hindus. Hans Raj too has said that he might consider converting to save his job. He said that life was ‘just easier if one was Muslim’ and he wouldn’t be discriminated against.

    Ram said that 14 Hindus of the Tapiala village had embraced Islam on May 17 because they were extremely poor and could not get jobs because no one would employ the large Hindu family.

    He said that another relative of his, Parkash, who lived in the village of Seowal, along with his eight family members had embraced Islam in order to save their lands.

    “After embracing Islam, Parkash Ram told me that Muslim neighbours had been mistreating him and had forced him to convert,” Mangut Ram said.

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  • Re: 57 Pakistani Hindus convert to Islam 'under pressure'
     Reply #1 - May 30, 2010, 01:30 PM

    Now let's turn it around and see what would happen if Hindus tried to force Muslims in India to convert; I wouldn't be surprised if I saw protests and riots.  Roll Eyes Islam creates such a double-standard in so many things and in so many ways.
  • Re: 57 Pakistani Hindus convert to Islam 'under pressure'
     Reply #2 - May 30, 2010, 01:39 PM

    Erm it's kinda odd that say they converted because they were forced to, why would they admit this? Kinda kills their conversion no?
  • Re: 57 Pakistani Hindus convert to Islam 'under pressure'
     Reply #3 - May 30, 2010, 01:44 PM

    Yeah, that's odd BlackDog,
    Plus, I thought the Quran clearly stated "there is no compulsion in religion" in many places.

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • Re: 57 Pakistani Hindus convert to Islam 'under pressure'
     Reply #4 - May 30, 2010, 02:11 PM


    I think this is the eventual fate of most minorities in Islamic societies, especially ones that are highly strung on Islam, as Pakistan is. Coercive pressures small and large on a grassroots level, and no real commitment to the idea of a plural, multi-religious  society. Its happening in the middle east, its happening in Pakistan. Sadly, this will increase over time.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: 57 Pakistani Hindus convert to Islam 'under pressure'
     Reply #5 - May 30, 2010, 03:22 PM

    I think this is the eventual fate of most minorities in Islamic societies, especially ones that are highly strung on Islam, as Pakistan is. Coercive pressures small and large on a grassroots level, and no real commitment to the idea of a plural, multi-religious  society. Its happening in the middle east, its happening in Pakistan. Sadly, this will increase over time.

    billy, dear billy.,  billy the baldy., huh!  baldy??  err, billy the smoker was better.

    To some extent your conclusions on Muhammad's Islam in this thread are right., But that news clip,  if I remembered correctly almost a year old.  Some one is trying to sell old wine in new bottle., may be he/she doesn't know old wine is better and more expensive than new wine.  Any way but my news here i put together is fairly new.

    Report of  Conspiracies on Pakistan and Islam.,   New York Times puts together news clips from Land of pure.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf_AUSk8iIk

    With such hyperactive  Jobless  Islamic young bums, Crooks like this

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W-yelc8h50
    will take political advantage either ruin Pakistan and create hell some where on the planet. The only thing is to know when, who and how. What all he needs is few fellows  like this one



    read about him at  http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=sultan_bashiruddin_mahmood_1

    watch him at
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjL92yqywhI

    And yesterdays news says from that man's mouth., he met Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri

    http://covertress.blogspot.com/2009/05/pakistans-nuclear-scientists-brief-and.html

    I could  not find that news Clip from Pakistan pubed couple of days back from him, but that is what he said.  So Mr. Zaid Hamid needs only few fellows like Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood to do that Allah Job.

    BANG..bang.. bang.. Big Bang..


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  • Re: 57 Pakistani Hindus convert to Islam 'under pressure'
     Reply #6 - May 30, 2010, 03:28 PM


    yeezeevee, I can't see how Pakistan is going to get itself out of the mess it is in.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: 57 Pakistani Hindus convert to Islam 'under pressure'
     Reply #7 - May 30, 2010, 03:31 PM

    Is it just me or did anyone else see in the first clip that the New York times logo when it first appears the New looks like Jew Huh??

    According to the polls only 1.6 % of Americans are athiests. So what gives you the right to call the other 80% morons?'
  • Re: 57 Pakistani Hindus convert to Islam 'under pressure'
     Reply #8 - May 30, 2010, 03:32 PM

    seems like pakistan was doomed from the start thanks to islam  Tongue
  • Re: 57 Pakistani Hindus convert to Islam 'under pressure'
     Reply #9 - May 30, 2010, 03:34 PM

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    yeezeevee, I can't see how Pakistan is going to get itself out of the mess it is in.

    Well I was very +ve with Mr. Mushhy until that fellow ruined everything what he made by removing that Judge guy and made a mess of whole Pakistan Politics. I would have been bit more optimistic if that Benazir.. this good looking Benazir would have been alive and die natural death in politics until her niece could have taken over. Pakistan needs all women rulers., In fact by definition, EVERY ISLAMIC COUNTRY should be ruled by women only.  And men should Cook, never come out of kitchen.That should be the law in all Islamic nations.



    Anyway let us watch  that famous Benazir song from India. Afghans/ Border  area people love this movie..

    Khuda Gawah ..Khuda Gawah.. That Indian lady name in that movie was Benazir.  Watch it..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kviwxfVgmPA

    Benazir...Benazir...Benazir..Benazir



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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: 57 Pakistani Hindus convert to Islam 'under pressure'
     Reply #10 - May 30, 2010, 03:55 PM

    seems like pakistan was doomed from the start thanks to islam  Tongue

    Appears that way currently for all Muslim countries, only the ones that seem to have realised the menace that Islam is to society seem to be doing better.

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  • Re: 57 Pakistani Hindus convert to Islam 'under pressure'
     Reply #11 - May 30, 2010, 04:14 PM

    N-scientist confesses to meeting Osama By Azaz Syed  Saturday, 29 May, 2010

    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/national/nscientist-confesses-to-meeting-osama-950

    ISLAMABAD, May 28: Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood, a nuclear scientist who was arrested in 2003 and later released by intelligence agencies for alleged links with Osama bin Laden, has for the first time confessed to have met the Al Qaeda chief, but only to seek funds for building a technical college in Afghanistan.

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    “I met Osama bin Laden before 9/11 not to give him nuclear know-how, but to seek funds for establishing a technical college in Kabul,” Mr Mahmood said during an interview at his residence.


    The former director-general of the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission said he had worked with the Afghan government from the late 90s to early 2001 under the banner a charity organisation called Ummah Tameer-i-Nau.

    The aging and bearded Mahmood, who played a key role in promotion and development of nuclear technology in Pakistan, said he had a single-point agenda for his meeting with Osama. “The media, however, projected the meeting in a very negative manner.”

    Mr Mahmood said he had served Pakistan with dedication and commitment and could never have even imagined passing secrets to the Al Qaeda chief.

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    He said the meeting was arranged by the Taliban leadership on his request. “I had heard that Osama was a wealthy man. However, during the meeting he turned down our request for funds.”About the Sept 11, 2001, attacks in the US, he said he was saddened by the events because many innocent people lost their lives.“Later I and other people involved in the charity initiative were arrested by personnel of the Inter-Services Intelligence,” Mr Mahmood said.

    He said that during detention, Americans conducted extensive interrogation sessions with him. “I told them the truth. I did not hide anything from them. No one physically tortured me. However, I were under severe mental after having been interrogated for 52 days running.

    He said that at the end of the investigations, both Americans and Pakistanis confided to him that he was innocent.

    Quote
    “I faced severe financial problems because they froze my accounts. I had only three to four hundred thousand rupees, but that sum was a big amount for me because neither did I own any business nor had any other source of income.”


    Mr Mahmood said after his release, the government barred him from employment in the public sector.

    About the attitude of the US government, the scientist bemoaned that although the Americans conceded “I am not a terrorist, they have not removed my name from the list”.

    George Tenet, a former CIA director, described “me as a mad scientist” in his book and wrote a complete chapter on him, the nuclear expert recalled with a tinge of pride.

    Mr Mahmood praised his children for excelling in education, bringing the days of hardship to an end.Sultan Bashiruddin has authored 42 books on Islam and translated the Holy Quran into English.

    He said he had his heart set on performing Umrah, but the exit control list made this impossible. “The only country that I want to visit is Saudi Arabia.”

    In reply to a question about the allegations of proliferation against Dr. A. Q Khan, Mr Mahmood said he was not aware of these things.


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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: 57 Pakistani Hindus convert to Islam 'under pressure'
     Reply #12 - May 30, 2010, 04:22 PM

    Appears that way currently for all Muslim countries, only the ones that seem to have realised the menace that Islam is to society seem to be doing better.


    Pakistan is in a bigger mess than most. Its doing worse than say, Tunisia. Hell, for all its problems, Bangladesh is doing better than Pakistan, in terms of the entrenchment and export of violent, hateful, murderous extremism.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: 57 Pakistani Hindus convert to Islam 'under pressure'
     Reply #13 - May 30, 2010, 04:33 PM

    Pakistan is in a bigger mess than most. Its doing worse than say, Tunisia. Hell, for all its problems, Bangladesh is doing better than Pakistan, in terms of the entrenchment and export of violent, hateful, murderous extremism.



    Partly because of its huge population - 160 million at the last count, and the unabated breeding continues

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  • Re: 57 Pakistani Hindus convert to Islam 'under pressure'
     Reply #14 - May 30, 2010, 04:36 PM

    But I thought Islam is the religion of peace that allows people to practice their faith peacefully? Huh?
  • Re: 57 Pakistani Hindus convert to Islam 'under pressure'
     Reply #15 - May 30, 2010, 04:38 PM

    Partly because of its huge population - 160 million at the last count, and the unabated breeding continues


    I think its ideological. The ideology has taken over, and it won't be tamed.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: 57 Pakistani Hindus convert to Islam 'under pressure'
     Reply #16 - May 30, 2010, 04:44 PM

    I think its ideological. The ideology has taken over, and it won't be tamed.



    yep true. that is what I fear may happen to Bangladesh also
  • Re: 57 Pakistani Hindus convert to Islam 'under pressure'
     Reply #17 - May 30, 2010, 04:48 PM

    It may, and in some cases already, start to infect all Muslim countries that have been lax with Islam to date. 

    Fortunately there is a lot of rivalry between them, otherwise if they had got the act together they could have united and had an organisation far stronger than the UN by now.

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  • Re: 57 Pakistani Hindus convert to Islam 'under pressure'
     Reply #18 - May 30, 2010, 09:55 PM

    Breeding Culture of intolerance .. The Islamic matadors of Land of Pure

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    Friday's gruesome attacks on Ahmadi worshippers in Lahore were a tragic reminder of the growing intolerance that is threatening to destroy our social fabric. Bigotry in this country has been decades in the making and is expressed in a variety of ways. Violence by individuals or groups against those who hold divergent views may be the most despicable manifestation of such prejudice but it is by no means the only one. Religious minorities in Pakistan have not only been shunted to the margins of society but also face outright persecution on a regular basis.


    Take the police force, which is notorious for terrorising the poor. Even within that section of society, however, it reserves its harshest treatment for non-Muslims, for the simple reason that brutal or coercive acts directed against minorities are even less likely to get policemen into trouble. There is no shortage of more insidious means of discrimination either. To this day many job applications require candidates to state their religion. Has the irrelevance of this query never struck the organisations in question, or is it part of a screening process designed to weed out ‘undesirables’? Now let’s venture down to the basic building blocks of society, from institutions to households. In many middle-class and affluent Muslim homes, separate eating utensils of distinctly poorer quality are reserved for domestic staff. But there’s more: a further distinction in entitlement is made between Muslim and non-Muslim employees.

    None of this is surprising in a country whose statute books are riddled with discriminatory laws, where jingoism is drummed into the heads of schoolchildren and where radio and television talk show participants can casually state that “we are all Muslims here in Pakistan”, which is patently not the case. This is a country where a non-Muslim cannot, by law, become president or prime minister. The blasphemy laws continue to be abused to settle personal scores, evade debts owed to non-Muslims and to grab their land by forcing them to flee in the face of violence. The state, meanwhile, remains largely unmoved by the plight of minorities — and that isn’t surprising either for it is a party to this persecution.

    Tackling the terrorists who kill almost at will isn’t the only job at hand. The culture of intolerance has become ingrained in Pakistan and wide-ranging measures are required to change our collective mindset. Textbooks need to be revised and the perils of both brazen and covert narrow-mindedness must be publicly debated. It would also help if major religious parties came forward to condemn atrocities such as Friday’s attacks on Ahmadis in Lahore. But that is perhaps asking for too much.

    that is what Editorial of today's Dawn says at http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/editorial/19-culture-of-intolerance-050-hh-12 ...

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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: 57 Pakistani Hindus convert to Islam 'under pressure'
     Reply #19 - December 03, 2010, 01:00 PM

    They should learn to be closet Hindus. During the Muslim rule of India, many Hindus that were forced or pressured to convert who served in the court of the rulers pretended to be Muslims but secretly carried on practicing Hinduism.

    Anyways, its hilarious how the Arab invaders sent letters about converting the then Hindu Pakistanis.

    Arab: cast aside your false Gods and worship Allah, the one and only God, Most Glorious, Most Majestic

    Hindu: lol no thanks

    Arab: *blast adhan loudly* sublime and sweet are the verses of the Quran which speak of the greatness of Allah, Exalted be He

    Hindu: *yawn* whatever

    Arab: why the fuck aren't you converting? don't you see how your Gods are lowly and unlike Allah, Almighty? Why do want to choose your lame and false Gods over Allah?

    Hindu: I worship Durga, Kali, Vishnu, Shiva etc all as "the Great" Gods, I worship them as intensely as you worship Allah if not more, Allah is no more Superior than these Deities that I worship

    Arab: no, there is no God but Allah, and Allah is the Great God, accept Allah or die

    Hindu: why don't you just bugger off? I call Lord Shiva, as Maha(Great)deva(God), and you want to teach me about religion of "the Great God"

    Arab: no you should not set up deities beside Allah, you idolators! polytheists!

    Hindu: how many times do I have to tell you, I don't give a shit about your "Allah"?!

    Arab: damn these Hindus are big time infidels, they won't listen to us. I think we have to use the sword. Get an army ready, we are going on a conquest.

    Anyways... if Islam is the one true faith. Why does the one true faith have to resort to such means to spread itself and maintain dominance? There are only two things that have made Islam what it is; oppression and violence. Allah is indeed very potent and attractive. And Islam is definitely true, I have no doubt about it.
  • Re: 57 Pakistani Hindus convert to Islam 'under pressure'
     Reply #20 - December 03, 2010, 01:26 PM

    its all bullshit Islam or Hinduism. I really don't see what the difference is. Just convert to what ever religion if your life is in danger, because its bullshit anyway. Just be a closet atheist. I suppose I feel like this because I have to pretend to be a Muslim all the time.
  • Re: 57 Pakistani Hindus convert to Islam 'under pressure'
     Reply #21 - December 03, 2010, 01:58 PM

    Bullshit, fair enough.

    However Islam is strict and definitive. It includes concepts of eternal damnation and physical jihad etc

    Whereas Hinduism can be anything from Atheism to Monotheism. And in general it is pluralistic and inclusivist, embracing and encompassing all things in philosophy and theology.

    Also atleast Ex-Hindus don't have to battle a highly personal and fear-mongering deity(cept for Kali Ma :( ) and Hindus threatening or begging them to "revert back".

    From my experience Hindus tend to have a much, much, much better outlook on Atheism than Christians/Muslims. Some if not most see Atheism as reasonable and valid atleast to a certain degree. Unlike the outright denigration and baseless accussations made by typical Christians and Muslims.
  • Re: 57 Pakistani Hindus convert to Islam 'under pressure'
     Reply #22 - December 03, 2010, 02:18 PM

    An example of what I'm talking about.

    http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?t=8

    in contrast with

    http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?37903-What-s-the-Atheist-argument
  • Re: 57 Pakistani Hindus convert to Islam 'under pressure'
     Reply #23 - December 03, 2010, 02:26 PM

    So you are still converting to Salafi Islam? Right........ (troll)  whistling2
  • Re: 57 Pakistani Hindus convert to Islam 'under pressure'
     Reply #24 - December 03, 2010, 03:38 PM

    Pakistan is in a bigger mess than most. Its doing worse than say, Tunisia. Hell, for all its problems, Bangladesh is doing better than Pakistan, in terms of the entrenchment and export of violent, hateful, murderous extremism.




    I'd say Tunisia is quite liberal for a Muslim country.

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  • Re: 57 Pakistani Hindus convert to Islam 'under pressure'
     Reply #25 - December 03, 2010, 03:56 PM

    I never take much notice of the Indians when it comes to religion.
    India has a history of people switching faiths almost as much as their socks.

    Not long ago, I heard that 100's of Hindu's converted to Christianity because they SAW A FILM ABOUT JESUS.
    I also heard about another event where thousands of Hindu's converted to Buddhism because they didn't like the cast system,

    So hearing about Hindu's converting to Islam because of their employers is hardly shocking news.
  • Re: 57 Pakistani Hindus convert to Islam 'under pressure'
     Reply #26 - December 03, 2010, 05:34 PM

    Not long ago, I heard that 100's of Hindu's converted to Christianity because they SAW A FILM ABOUT JESUS.


    Yeah the masses are pretty silly. "Hindu movies" with deities "manifesting" to their devotees used to be really popular. Especially in South Indian states of Tamil Nadu and Andhra Pradesh.

    And I was always annoyed by them even when I was a little kid, lol. Its very much similar to Christianity in this sense like Passion of Christ.

    The question always is, why doesn't the Goddess ever "manifest" and save Hindus from Musalman or Christian invaders or destroy Mosques or Churches. Why don't we ever see Her manifesting to Her devotees infront of Musalmans and slaughter the Musalmans or Christians when they attack Her devotees for the mere reason of worshipping Herself. I mean, you would think, even if She is unwilling to "manifest" Herself in Her awesome and dazzling form infront of thousands. Atleast why not infront of those who contest Her existence? That way She would not only save Her innocent devotees but also provide an evidence of some sort. And what better way to provide assurance of Her Glorious and Majestic Being as Real than to hit two birds with one stone, and "manifest" infront of the unbeliever who contests Her existence by attacking Her devotees and ridiculing Her.

    this scene from a South Indian Goddess movie is an example (told you Kali Ma was fucking scary! imagine watching that as a 5 year old! now that's child abuse!)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt9WlBO9Tyo

    If the Goddess can do anything, why are Her actions always similar to that of humans? She seems to be restricted similar to how humans are. Apparently Her idol "transforms" to Her "manifestation" which is Her physical form by which She is worshipped and interacts with humans. And She grants this only to Her most sincere and pious of devotees who call upon Her when they need Her the most. Does She reside in the idol? What does She do when She isn't busy attending the calls of Her devotees, hide?

    Do channeling of emotions to icons of Her worship "spark" and "enliven" Her? She appears in a larger-than-life and dazzling form. But why something that is easily concievable to the human mind? Why does She resemble something that a human could have easily imagined? Goddess is Supreme and All-Powerful. But why does she "engage" in a "battle"? Why can't She beat the demons instantaneously? Why does She use weapons? How come they are Iron Age Vedic weapons? Humans have evolved, time has progressed, technology has changed, instead of a trident and a sword why not an AK47 and a Bazooka? I mean that would be way more badass than Her trident with "special effects", right? Why is She wearing a saree? Gee, is it because Her devotees are Indians and likely infact that Her origins are Indian? Why not some other type of fashion?

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    I also heard about another event where thousands of Hindu's converted to Buddhism because they didn't like the cast system.


    Native Indian religions apart from Vedic Aryan Hinduism, were most likely predominantly native cults of different deities and possibly proto-Jain/Buddhist religions. Hinduism increasingly grew at the expense of Jainism and Buddhism repeatedly throughout the history of the subcontinent and merged with the pre-existing polytheism through refinement and integration of the regional deities. Like Meenakshi of South India and Shitala Devi of North India being associated with Parvati/Durga. Bhakti movements transcending class/caste barriers with Saints from all backgrounds always rejuvenated Hinduism whenever it was under threat due to social stigma or other religions.
  • Re: 57 Pakistani Hindus convert to Islam 'under pressure'
     Reply #27 - December 03, 2010, 05:51 PM

    So hearing about Hindu's converting to Islam because of their employers is hardly shocking news.


    Wait what are you basing this logic on? That those particular Pakistani Hindus convert to Islam because Indians have been changing their religions? Indians haven't really been changing religions since a theologically accomodating and fairly comprehensive Hinduism has been predominant and Indians/Hindus have been exposed to and attempted to be converted wholesale by Abrahamics for the past 1000 years or so. This is something quite deep seated in modern Hindu consciousness, the fact that they are seen with disdain by Muslims and Christians.

    You said Hindus were converting due to caste system. And by that I take you mean due to caste oppression and converting as a result of it either to express their resentment or relieve themselves from it. It can't be that these Pakistanis are converting due to caste because 1) there isn't much caste system amongst Hindus of Pakistan 2) the predominant religion of Pakistan is Islam and they are the "outcastes" because of being non-Muslim. In the case of Hindu caste system amongst Hindus its the exact opposite. I'm sorry but your logic fails here.
  • Re: 57 Pakistani Hindus convert to Islam 'under pressure'
     Reply #28 - December 03, 2010, 08:07 PM

    Now let's turn it around and see what would happen if Hindus tried to force Muslims in India to convert; I wouldn't be surprised if I saw protests and riots.  Roll Eyes Islam creates such a double-standard in so many things and in so many ways.


    Unfortunately they can't, because proselytization is not possible in Hinduism. It's not a pillar of the religion. Unlike Abrahamic religions,it's inclusive. Which means there are no formal rules of admission to the faith. One fine day you could just claim to be a Hindu and start practising it in whichever way you see fit! LOL!



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  • Re: 57 Pakistani Hindus convert to Islam 'under pressure'
     Reply #29 - December 03, 2010, 08:33 PM

    ^  Fortunately, that's about the best thing about the eastern religions.  That's about the only thing I like about eastern religions  even though most of it is bullshit.

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