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  • Re: I am a FRESH ex Muslim ;)
     Reply #90 - May 31, 2010, 06:55 PM
    Berbs is the first ex-Muslim I came across - she will always be number 1.  Afro
  • Re: I am a FRESH ex Muslim ;)
     Reply #91 - May 31, 2010, 06:56 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on May 31, 2010, 06:47 PM
    We already do that - in fact some Canucks have already met up


    Interesting. :/
    I guess I missed it lol.

    Quote from: Hassan on May 31, 2010, 06:53 PM
    Yep, I've met up with Berberella, Islame, Shahid Raza, Nour, Omar Khayyam, Dr Diavlo, Humanoid, Pakman, Zia, Maryam Namazie, Reza, Radiohead (Kid A), Iris... and quite a few others... Smiley


    Did you organize it or was it by chance Tongue
    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Re: I am a FRESH ex Muslim ;)
     Reply #92 - May 31, 2010, 06:57 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on May 31, 2010, 06:55 PM
    Berbs is the first ex-Muslim I came across - she will always be number 1.  Afro


    Oh, was she an ex when you guys first spoke to each other? Or were you both wavering?
  • Re: I am a FRESH ex Muslim ;)
     Reply #93 - May 31, 2010, 06:59 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on May 31, 2010, 06:54 PM
    I like how you thought of Berbs first Grin



    Doesn't everybody?
  • Re: I am a FRESH ex Muslim ;)
     Reply #94 - May 31, 2010, 07:01 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on May 31, 2010, 06:57 PM
    Oh, was she an ex when you guys first spoke to each other? Or were you both wavering?


    I was was a fresh out of the bag ex-Muslim when I met her on FFI - she really was the only reason I stayed on there for a while - unlike Ali Sina - or a couple others who "claimed to be Ex-Muslim - she was the only one who felt real - she was a real person that I could identify with - she's special - always has been  Afro
  • Re: I am a FRESH ex Muslim ;)
     Reply #95 - May 31, 2010, 07:02 PM
    Meet-ups sound awesome.

    One day, one day. Smiley
    'The greatest glory of living lies not in never falling but in rising everytime you fall'
  • Re: I am a FRESH ex Muslim ;)
     Reply #96 - May 31, 2010, 07:04 PM
    Quote from: Ephemeral on May 31, 2010, 06:56 PM
    Did you organize it or was it by chance Tongue


    We organised it Smiley
  • Re: I am a FRESH ex Muslim ;)
     Reply #97 - May 31, 2010, 07:05 PM
    hope could have a chance to join one day, I'm sure
  • Re: I am a FRESH ex Muslim ;)
     Reply #98 - May 31, 2010, 07:08 PM
    I know it seems silly now, but when I first met ex-Muslims I was surprised that they were nice, ordinary people just like me.

    Not sure what I was expecting - horns I think lol
  • Re: I am a FRESH ex Muslim ;)
     Reply #99 - May 31, 2010, 07:11 PM
    I Love All You Guys And Gals x x x
  • Re: I am a FRESH ex Muslim ;)
     Reply #100 - May 31, 2010, 07:13 PM
    Quote from: virav5 on May 31, 2010, 06:46 PM
    I'm the only one here who came from Indo

    You might be.  But I just checked on Atheist Nexus there are 17 atheists from Indonesia.  It seems none of them are ex-Muslims, but you could still check them out.  Atheists tend to be very nice people. Afro
    http://www.atheistnexus.org/profiles/members/search?name=&gender=&country=ID&location=&q31=&q32=&page=1
    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • Re: I am a FRESH ex Muslim ;)
     Reply #101 - May 31, 2010, 07:14 PM
    @ darkeyed

    First of all, welcome!

    Now, please allow me to ask a few questions. You said:

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    There actually a quiet amount of Saudi atheists  some even living in Saudi Arabia which is really hard.


    Like how many? did you conduct a survey? Or are you saying that you happened to come across Saudi atheists who just happened to confess their Atheism to you?

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    Saudi atheists are like the sweetest type of Saudi people I've ever met! So smart and caring. Not sexist at all like the despicable sharia law that rules over it. Saudi atheists that are women are the strongest women I've ever met.

     

    Of course, leaving Islam can turn your typical male Saudi boar into a dove and a Saudi hen into an eagle.

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    If only they were brave enough to speak up about the atrocities that happen in Saudi and other Islamic countries worldwide.

     

    Atrocities in Saudi Arabia, against whom? I would like to hear some of them.

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    But yes, not only will they be censored but they'll be harassed everywhere, dishonor the family, and last but not least... dead!

     

    You mean killed by their families or by the authorities?

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    Someone mentioned that my parents are "chill." lol They're not! They're ok in some sense and not in others. I was not allowed to ever talk to anyone. Male or female.

     

    What the...? not even females?!

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    Yes, it was school and straight back home. Even when I wanted to introduce a girl to them, they'd say no. I wasn't allowed to use the phone. It was prison. My older brother however was allowed to do anything and everything.


    Good God! not even the phone?!!! And YET this super strict family of yours, who won't even let you talk over the phone or mingle with female friends, they somehow allowed you to go to university abroad and live on your own! Not only that, back in Saudi they gave you enough freedom to bump into local Saudi atheists, both male and female.

    I have to say I'm fascinated by this story.  Roll Eyes
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: I am a FRESH ex Muslim ;)
     Reply #102 - May 31, 2010, 07:29 PM
    Take it easy debunker.  She's only 18.
    Her story doesn't surprise me.  I live in Britain and my teenage sister has to wear the niqab whenever she goes out shopping with the family.
    Darkeyed9 is currently in the US and I can imagine a conservative Muslim family being very wary of her getting westernised.  Furthermore, different families are different.  They may allow freedom in one aspect but be very strict in another aspect.
    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • Re: I am a FRESH ex Muslim ;)
     Reply #103 - May 31, 2010, 07:36 PM
    Yep, take it easy on her, Debunker.

    @Darkeyed - Debunker is a Muslim from Saudi - he's a nice guy - but can be a little harsh in debates.
  • Re: I am a FRESH ex Muslim ;)
     Reply #104 - May 31, 2010, 07:41 PM
    @ tea

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    Take it easy debunker.  She's only 18.


    I am taking it easy.. I enjoyed reading the story, actually.

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    Her story doesn't surprise me.  I live in Britain and my teenage sister has to wear the niqab whenever she goes out shopping with the family.


    You live in England as an immigrant, right? You're not a student on a scholarship leaving your family back home, right?  Conservative Saudi females talk over the phone and they mingle with their female friends AND they do go out in the streets on their own (except they need a hired driver to drive the car for them... the notion that Saudi females must be accompanied with male guardians, when outside is a LIE.) Yet, on average, very few Saudi families would allow their daughters to study abroad... so Darkeyed story is the OPPOSITE of the Saudi norm, and that's why I find it interesting.
     
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    Darkeyed9 is currently in the US and I can imagine a conservative Muslim family being very wary of her getting westernised.


    My dear, a *conservative* Saudi family does NOT send their daughter abroad for college and stay behind.... only the ultra liberal Saudis do this... yet, another reason to be sacinated by her story.
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: I am a FRESH ex Muslim ;)
     Reply #105 - May 31, 2010, 07:42 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on May 31, 2010, 07:36 PM
    Yep, take it easy on her, Debunker.

    @Darkeyed - Debunker is a Muslim from Saudi - he's a nice guy - but can be a little harsh in debates.


    Alright, Hassan has spoken! I'll shut up now Smiley
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: I am a FRESH ex Muslim ;)
     Reply #106 - May 31, 2010, 07:54 PM
    Quote from: ateapotist on May 31, 2010, 07:13 PM
    You might be.  But I just checked on Atheist Nexus there are 17 atheists from Indonesia.  It seems none of them are ex-Muslims, but you could still check them out.  Atheists tend to be very nice people. Afro
    http://www.atheistnexus.org/profiles/members/search?name=&gender=&country=ID&location=&q31=&q32=&page=1

    If I was in your boat, I would be contacting them on atheistnexus & via facebook, and getting them all to register here so you can build up your numbers and form together as a group.
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  • Re: I am a FRESH ex Muslim ;)
     Reply #107 - May 31, 2010, 08:37 PM
    Quote from: debunker on May 31, 2010, 07:14 PM
    @ darkeyed

    First of all, welcome!

    Now, please allow me to ask a few questions. You said:

    Like how many? did you conduct a survey? Or are you saying that you happened to come across Saudi atheists who just happened to confess their Atheism to you?
     
    No, I didn't construct a survey hence why I never stated I did. I know a few atheists in Saudi and when I mean it's hard for them living there, I meant they have to represent Islam. They people I'm talking about don't live in Jeddah which is a tad more liberal than the other parts of Saudi. They have to wear the niqab, be separated from the opposite sex, etc. which is hard and annoying for them because
    (a) They're not Muslim to begin with,
    (b) They want to do simple things that are "haram" such a hanging out and such.
    (c) They can't speak openly about their beliefs with professors/family/others/etc.

    They know about this page but just like me, they never actually joined because we're all lazy -_-

    Of course, leaving Islam can turn your typical male Saudi boar into a dove and a Saudi hen into an eagle.
     
    Agreed. I'm not an eagle though Smiley I prefer a tiger as my title.

    Atrocities in Saudi Arabia, against whom? I would like to hear some of them.

    Against women.
     

    You mean killed by their families or by the authorities?

    Families.

    What the...? not even females?!

    My parents are mentally ill, seriously speaking. I go to therapy to deal with this.

    Good God! not even the phone?!!! And YET this super strict family of yours, who won't even let you talk over the phone or mingle with female friends, they somehow allowed you to go to university abroad and live on your own! Not only that, back in Saudi they gave you enough freedom to bump into local Saudi atheists, both male and female.

    I met these Saudi atheists, both male and female online. I only met one female in real life back in Saudi. The other is my cousin. Again, my family have the mind set of back home yet they're a bit liberal too. I didn't just run up to them and ask them if I can go and they said "yes." It took a lot of work and I had to "prove myself" to them. I've only dormed for one semester and they want me to come back home but I won't.

    I have to say I'm fascinated by this story.  Roll Eyes


    Thanks. I fascinate myself at times.
  • Re: I am a FRESH ex Muslim ;)
     Reply #108 - May 31, 2010, 09:22 PM
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    No, I didn't construct a survey hence why I never stated I did. I know a few atheists in Saudi and when I mean it's hard for them living there, I meant they have to represent Islam. They people I'm talking about don't live in Jeddah which is a tad more liberal than the other parts of Saudi. They have to wear the niqab, be separated from the opposite sex, etc. which is hard and annoying for them because
    (a) They're not Muslim to begin with,
    (b) They want to do simple things that are "haram" such a hanging out and such.
    (c) They can't speak openly about their beliefs with professors/family/others/etc.


    It is of course hard for anyone with beliefs that are 100% antagonist to the local culture... but hey, guess what? Those "suffering" people could leave the country, right?

    Quote
    Agreed. I'm not an eagle though  I prefer a tiger as my title.


    Islam is NOT the reason why Saudi men are boarish... it's social customs. The same applies to women.

    Quote
    Against women.


    Atrocities against women? like what?

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    My parents are mentally ill, seriously speaking. I go to therapy to deal with this.


    why go to therapy? those mentally-ill people were nice enough to let you live on your own thousands of miles away... you don't have to deal with them.

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    I met these Saudi atheists, both male and female online.

     

    And you could judge the *gentleness* of the male Saudi atheists and the *bravery* of the female Saudi atheists, by interacting with them ONLINE? 

    Quote
    I only met one female in real life back in Saudi. The other is my cousin. Again, my family have the mindset of back home yet they're a bit liberal too.

     

    I'd say they're way too liberal, by any Saudi standards, allowing you to live on your own, in a Western country, thousand of miles away.

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    I didn't just run up to them and ask them if I can go and they said "yes." It took a lot of work and I had to "prove myself" to them. I've only dormed for one semester and they want me to come back home but I won't.


    And you have a say in this? They changed their mind and want you back, yet you can say no to them? even though they have the power to cut off the scholarship on you?

    By the way, your English is excellent.. I have been living in the US for years and my English is not as good as yours... and you're only 18 years old... That's very impressive! I mean, it is well known that Saudis who finish High School in Saudi Arabia (regardless of whether the school is private or not), speak very poor English, yet you could get to this level in less than a year of studying abroad! I feel very humbled.
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: I am a FRESH ex Muslim ;)
     Reply #109 - May 31, 2010, 09:40 PM
    Welcome  far away hug



    Quote from: DARKEYED9 on May 31, 2010, 06:01 PM
    My friend is an ex Muslimah as well. She's Iraqi and she's planning in a few years to make an ex muslim house hahahha and asked me if I wanted to live with them. It'll e three Iraqi girls and me.

    Actually, I would like to donate to this house. PM me the email addresses of these girls and I will send my credit card details  Smiley

     Smiley

    Or you can invite them here !


    Quote from: debunker on May 31, 2010, 09:22 PM
    By the way, your English is excellent.. I have been living in the US for years and my English is not as good as yours... and you're only 18 years old... That's very impressive! I mean, it is well known that Saudis who finish High School in Saudi Arabia (regardless of whether the school is private or not), speak very poor English, yet you could get to this level in less than a year of studying abroad! I feel very humbled.

    She was born in the USA.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPudiBR15mk
  • Re: I am a FRESH ex Muslim ;)
     Reply #110 - May 31, 2010, 11:11 PM
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    It is of course hard for anyone with beliefs that are 100% antagonist to the local culture... but hey, guess what? Those "suffering" people could leave the country, right?


    Yes, it's not just religion but it is culture as well. They are trying to move out of Saudi actually but it's hard to. They are trying however.

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    Islam is NOT the reason why Saudi men are boarish... it's social customs. The same applies to women.
    Quote

    Islam is to blame just as the culture is to blame.

    Quote
    Atrocities against women? like what?


    Domestic violence, women (and men but in Saudi, women pay the price more and I know it's cultural as well... you don't have to remind me) being punished for rape and other dishonorable acts, apostasy, etc.

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    why go to therapy? those mentally-ill people were nice enough to let you live on your own thousands of miles away... you don't have to deal with them.


    I still have to return for breaks.

    Quote
    And you could judge the *gentleness* of the male Saudi atheists and the *bravery* of the female Saudi atheists, by interacting with them ONLINE?


    Well then why bother even joining this forum since this is all online? Of course, you can be deceived online. I'm very aware of this. One of the females were my cousin as I mentioned earlier and the other was my neighbor back in Saudi. I am also Emirati you know. I believe I mentioned that too.

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    I'd say they're way too liberal, by any Saudi standards, allowing you to live on your own, in a Western country, thousand of miles away.


    Nice. I'm not the only Saudi girl who lives alone in a Western country. I'm not fully Saudi. My mother is Saudi, father is Emirati. I also visit UAE as well.




  • Re: I am a FRESH ex Muslim ;)
     Reply #111 - May 31, 2010, 11:23 PM
    DarkEyed9,
    By the way, BeyT (Yemeni living in UAE) posts on this forum too.  Read her intro here: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=8772.0
    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • Re: I am a FRESH ex Muslim ;)
     Reply #112 - May 31, 2010, 11:29 PM
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    Domestic violence, women (and men but in Saudi, women pay the price more and I know it's cultural as well... you don't have to remind me) being punished for rape and other dishonorable acts, apostasy, etc.


    Saudi women get punished for rape?!!

    Quote
    Nice. I'm not the only Saudi girl who lives alone in a Western country. I'm not fully Saudi. My mother is Saudi, father is Emirati. I also visit UAE as well.


    Huh? So that makes you an Emarati, not a Saudi... so your Emarati father lives in Saudi with your Saudi mother? 
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: I am a FRESH ex Muslim ;)
     Reply #113 - May 31, 2010, 11:30 PM
    Quote from: ateapotist on May 31, 2010, 11:23 PM
    DarkEyed9,
    By the way, BeyT (Yemeni living in UAE) posts on this forum too.  Read her intro here: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=8772.0


    Thanks! BTW you have pretty eyes -_- lol. (niqabi pic)
  • Re: I am a FRESH ex Muslim ;)
     Reply #114 - May 31, 2010, 11:32 PM
    Quote from: debunker on May 31, 2010, 11:29 PM
    Saudi women get punished for rape?!!

    Huh? So that makes you an Emarati, not a Saudi... so your Emarati father lives in Saudi with your Saudi mother? 


    Yes they do. My mother's background has nothing to do with me?
  • Re: I am a FRESH ex Muslim ;)
     Reply #115 - May 31, 2010, 11:42 PM
    Quote from: debunker on May 31, 2010, 11:29 PM
    Saudi women get punished for rape?!!

    The real question is, do women feel truly free to go to the authorities to report domestic violence or other abuses?  Or are they more likely to suffer in silence because of the male dominated society, and because Islam gives men the licence to beat their wives?
    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • Re: I am a FRESH ex Muslim ;)
     Reply #116 - May 31, 2010, 11:46 PM
    They remain silent because they're in fear of the authorities and their family members.
  • Re: I am a FRESH ex Muslim ;)
     Reply #117 - May 31, 2010, 11:50 PM
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    Yes they do.

     

    That's not true at all... apparently you've been reading a lot of propaganda and your parents not only don't allow you to use the phone, they must have banned you from watching the local TV, as well.

    Quote
    My mother's background has nothing to do with me?


    No. FYI, Saudi Arabia does not give the Saudi nationality to children from non-Saudi fathers... and assuming you got a Saudi passport somehow, you are Emarati first, Saudi second (although it's mind-boggling an Emarati family would leave the UAE and live in Saudi... just another mystery in your story).
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: I am a FRESH ex Muslim ;)
     Reply #118 - May 31, 2010, 11:52 PM
    Quote from: DARKEYED9 on May 31, 2010, 11:46 PM
    They remain silent because they're in fear of the authorities and their family members.


    OK, darkeyed, you're beginning to irritate me with your "misinformation" (you're still new here, so I'll have to be extra polite).

     Yes, they fear their family, but they don't fear the authorities... the worst authorities can do is ignore the complaint.
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: I am a FRESH ex Muslim ;)
     Reply #119 - May 31, 2010, 11:57 PM
    Quote from: debunker on May 31, 2010, 11:50 PM
    No. FYI, Saudi Arabia does not give the Saudi nationality to children from non-Saudi fathers... and assuming you got a Saudi passport somehow, you are Emarati first, Saudi second (although it's mind-boggling an Emarati family would leave the UAE and live in Saudi... just another mystery in your story).

    Irrespective of the Saudi Nationality Law, is that your personal view Debunker? that a child born to a Saudi mother is not really Saudi? not even half Saudi? even if the child was born and raised in Saudi?
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