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  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #570 - June 09, 2010, 11:34 PM

    Yes, but where is the evidence that these individual Jews claiming land in the region have any individual right to individual pieces of land that they are claiming?
    The basis for you argument seems to be based on genetics, archeology and religious texts. Hardly supporting evidence.

    If you traced the family trees I'm sure you would find that a lot of them could be traced to Israel. Not all, but a lot. Also, what makes you think that genetics and archaeology are not supporting evidence? They are certainly regarded as such by the scientific community. 

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    There have been population movements of ethnic groups across regions for millenia. Do members of these ethnic groups have some sort of genetic right to claim land of their previous lands?

    Well, you're the one arguing that previous possession gives an absolute right to current possession. 


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    Do you support the return of Jewish property looted during the Holocaust?

    Separate issue and different circumstances. IOW, a red herring in the context of this thread IMO.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #571 - June 10, 2010, 12:12 AM

    not enough Arabs plundered land from the Jews, the jews were kicked out from other plundered lands by arabs. and you suggesting to punish the Jews?
    not the Jews need to move. the Arabs need to. enough with pallywood.

    What on earth are you talking about? and when did I say I wanted to punish the Jews?



    interestingly that you preaching not to play with 1.5 million while have no problem do so with 6 million???

    What does the Holocaust have to do with this? and when the fuck did I say I have no problem with it?


    I have a better idea it's time for Arabs to pack up and return to their origins to the land from where they truly came from arabia. israel is not it. imo this is the ideal solution.

    Your opinion is repugnant.


    regional name. referring semantics do you know the name origin?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine#Origin_of_name

  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #572 - June 10, 2010, 12:37 AM

    Amira Hass on the Gaza blockade:

    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/not-by-cement-alone-1.295036

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    Not by cement alone

    The flotilla, like its predecessors and the ones still to come, serves the Israeli goal, which is to complete the process of separating the Gaza Strip from the West Bank.
    By Amira Hass

    The achievement of the failed flotilla to Gaza - mainly, it must be conceded, by its dead - is that the demand is being heard from everywhere that Israel halt its policy of siege. The government of Israel was not willing to listen to the desperate supplications of John Ging, the head of UNRWA in Gaza. Now it must heed French President Nicolas Sarkozy and Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan. But unknowingly, this flotilla, like its predecessors and the ones still to come, serves the Israeli goal, which is to complete the process of separating the Gaza Strip from the West Bank. The process, it will be said here for the millionth time, started in 1991 and not after the rise of Hamas rule. It's purpose was to thwart the two-state solution, which the world understood at that time as based on all of Gaza and the West Bank, and the link between them.

    Since the method of sailing to Gaza started about two years ago, none of its initiators purported to meet the need for this or that product. Israel is attempting by signs and wonders to prove there is no hunger in Gaza. The initiators are actually thinking about hunger of a different kind: a very human hunger for a direct link to the world, to freedom of movement of people, not just goods. The seaborne method was later switched to overland breaches to the Strip via Rafah, to Egypt's displeasure and Israel's joy.

    Israel brought the closure to grotesque and petty proportions, attracting attention with its prohibition on macaroni and permission for cinnamon, the counting of calories and delaying cement even for a sewage treatment plant. Israel expanded the closure to the extent of prohibiting Gazans from working, creating, manufacturing and earning a living, with the declared goal of bringing down Hamas. But it achieved the opposite. That rule only grew stronger, proving its resourcefulness, its ability to suppress internal opposition and engender support by international activists who are ideologically opposed to its methods and philosophy. The siege strengthened Hamas to such an extent that Palestinian conspiracy theorists are convinced this was Israel's intention from the outset.

    Most Israelis, who have given up on real information, find it difficult to absorb that some people in the world are shocked at the existence of a huge prison whose warden is the Jewish state. But those who are shocked have become partners in the pressure campaign - supported, if not instigated by Hamas - against Egypt to unilaterally open the Rafah crossing, as if it is the occupier and not Israel.

    And what serves the goal of separating Gaza from the West Bank better than forgetting the sealed the Erez crossing between Gaza and Israel, and focusing on Rafah and cement? Unintentionally, the runners of the maritime and media blockade focused attention on aspects that do not undermine the essence of Israel's closure of Gaza. And that essence is denying the right and thwarting the will of Gazans to be an active, permanent and natural part of Palestinian society.

    Long before Israel prohibited the entry of cement into the Strip, it prohibited Gazans from studying in the West Bank. While it still permitted guavas to be exported from Khan Yunis to Jordan, it forbade Gazans to enter the West Bank even via the Allenby Bridge or to meet relatives and friends. Step by step, Israel developed draconian restrictions on Palestinians' freedom of movement, until it declared every Gazan in the West Bank, now and especially in the future, an illegal alien and an infiltrator. These are the essential prohibitions that must be breached. These are the prohibitions about whose existence Erdogan and U.S. President Barack Obama must be taught, and their abolition demanded.


  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #573 - June 10, 2010, 12:41 AM

    And this is a great article on the Turkish-Israeli relationship.

    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/what-a-missed-opportunity-1.295039


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    What a missed opportunity

    Since Erdogan is striving for pan-Islamism and Netanyahu is trying to hold off the rest of the world while nurturing a Jewish Israeliness that hates minorities and foreigners, the clash was inevitable.
    By Aluf Benn

    Journalists are expected to keep a distance from the subjects they cover, but the crisis in relations with Turkey has filled me with sadness and a sense of loss. It pains me to watch the wrathful and hate-filled anti-Israel speeches of Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, and it pains me to watch Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman respond to Erdogan with his characteristic combination of ignorance and crudeness. We are not a country of liars and murderers, as Erdogan claims, and Turkey is not an Iran that seeks to wipe Israel off the map, as Lieberman believes.

    Aside from peace with Jordan, the alliance with Turkey was the most important thing Israel got in return for the peace talks conducted in Madrid and Oslo. The security cooperation with Turkey, the bilateral trade and the tourism went beyond what Israel expected. The relationship flourished not just because of a momentary overlap of interests; Israel and Turkey have a lot in common. Israel's ties with Turkey exist on a more emotion-laden plane than its ties with other countries. We're just too alike.

    Israel's first two prime ministers, David Ben-Gurion and Moshe Sharett, spoke Turkish. Ben-Gurion studied law in Istanbul. Sharett served as an officer in the Ottoman army during World War I. Mustafa Kemal Ataturk and his right-hand man, Ismet Inonu, served as senior commanders on the Palestine front.

    The ideological connection is more important than the history trivia, though. Ben-Gurion and Ataturk rebelled against the religious societies in which they were raised and established secular countries with a Western orientation. Ben-Gurion's establishmentarianism was the Israeli version of Turkey's Kemalism, and both had to struggle against the religious and their influence. The shortcomings of democracy in both countries are similar: problematic attitudes toward minorities and excessive military influence, which in Turkey has resulted in military coups.

    During the early 1990s, under the leadership of Yitzhak Rabin in Israel and Tansu Ciller in Turkey, it seemed that Western secularism was heading for a historic victory in both countries, which appeared to be on the cusp of deservedly capturing a spot among the more developed democracies. Turkey was knocking on the doors of the European Union and Israel was enjoying the fruits of normalization and globalization that resulted from Madrid and Oslo.

    At the time, Israel was in the process of absorbing 1 million immigrants from the former Soviet Union, almost all of them entirely secular; they completely changed Israeli society and shifted the country's religious Jews to the sidelines. But the change was short-lived.

    Demography had the final say: 45 percent of Jewish first graders today attend religious public schools or ultra-Orthodox schools, an increase of 13 percent in the past decade. Turkey, rejected by the European Union, underwent a similar process of religious revival. A fascinating polarization has developed in both countries: high-tech companies and advanced industry alongside packed synagogues and mosques; lively nightlife and bikinis alongside head coverings and mezuzah-kissing.

    In Ankara as in Jerusalem, the governments in power today are trying to dismantle the legacies of Kemal and Ben-Gurion; their ideology is rooted in religion and tradition, even if Erdogan and Benjamin Netanyahu wear suits and ties. Erdogan's party is trying to weaken the army and the judicial system, both pillars of Kemalism. In Israel the process looks a little different: The army has more and more high-ranking religious officers, and the government is ignoring Supreme Court decisions.

    Since Erdogan is striving for pan-Islamism and Netanyahu is trying to hold off the rest of the world while nurturing a Jewish Israeliness that hates minorities and foreigners, the clash was inevitable. The flotilla crisis exposed the prejudices and stereotypes that had been kept hidden during the years of friendship: anti-Semitic stereotypes in Turkey, and Israeli disdain for Muslims and their culture. We forgot that the much-maligned Erdogan was perfectly capable of working with Ariel Sharon and Ehud Olmert, and showed restraint when Turkish sovereignty was violated during the bombing of the Syrian nuclear reactor.

    But we cannot lay the blame solely at the feet of the Israeli and Turkish leaders and ruling parties. We, the secular, Western-oriented Israelis, have not really tried to move closer to our Turkish counterparts. Their country was and remains an exotic place for a vacation, business and air-force training - but nothing more.

    We're always interested in what's happening in New York, London and Paris, and we've ignored Ankara and Istanbul. We have not built a network of interpersonal relationships that could survive political upheaval, nor have we nurtured mutual curiosity. That is sad, now more than ever.



  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #574 - June 10, 2010, 09:05 AM

    What on earth are you talking about? and when did I say I wanted to punish the Jews?

    this proposal of yours "And I fully support allowing them to claim their properties in these countries or move back there."
    moving back sounds like it.  


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    What does the Holocaust have to do with this? and when the fuck did I say I have no problem with it?

    I have not refer to the Holocaust. what gave you that idea?
    your words "you cannot play with 1.5 million people like that" there are about 6 million Jews in Israel.

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    Your opinion is repugnant.

     
    it mirrors historical truth. and I know it's the uncomfortable one. so "moving back" is not an optional for both apparently and need a rather another creative solution that will satisfy both?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine#Origin_of_name
    what is the conclusive answer? do you know the menaing of it? if Arabs are Palestinians should not they explain their origin and why they called as such?
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #575 - June 10, 2010, 12:47 PM

    this proposal of yours "And I fully support allowing them to claim their properties in these countries or move back there."
    moving back sounds like it.

    Ah, you misunderstood me.
    I meant, if the Palestinians are going to demand the right of return for Palestinians refugees (or financial compensation), the Arabs should also allow the Mizrahi Jews who fled Arab countries to go back to their countries of origin to claim their properties if they want to. I'm not saying they should. This should be done in return as a part of an agreement. If the Arabs don't make the offer, they have no right demanding the right of return for Palest. refugees.


    I have not refer to the Holocaust. what gave you that idea?
    your words "you cannot play with 1.5 million people like that" there are about 6 million Jews in Israel.

    I thought you meant the 6 million Jews who died in the Holocaust. My bad.
    But this brings me back to your statement "interestingly that you preaching not to play with 1.5 million while have no problem do so with 6 million???"
    What did you mean by that?


    it mirrors historical truth. and I know it's the uncomfortable one. so "moving back" is not an optional for both apparently and need a rather another creative solution that will satisfy both?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine#Origin_of_name
    what is the conclusive answer? do you know the menaing of it? if Arabs are Palestinians should not they explain their origin and why they called as such? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine#Origin_of_name
    what is the conclusive answer? do you know the menaing of it? if Arabs are Palestinians should not they explain their origin and why they called as such?

    That's bullshit my friend. Historical truth my ass. They've been living in Palestine for 100s of years. This like saying all Americans with the exception of native Indians should go back. Fuck that.

  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #576 - June 10, 2010, 01:14 PM

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    That's bullshit my friend. Historical truth my ass. They've been living in Palestine for 100s of years. This like saying all Americans with the exception of native Indians should go back. Fuck that.

    if the native Indians behave and  act the way Palestine Muslim robots act., Americans will treat them worse than what Jewish folk  treated Palestinians in Palestine.  The problem is not Jewish Land or Palestine Land.., it is Fucking Political Islam that comes and throws the sword whenever they tried to reach some sort of agreement.  These PLO fools had best chance when Clinton_Arafat-Barrack  deal that took place in 2000 Camp David Summit.  Please watch these videos.. there are more, watch both sides of story.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpOCOIcIo30

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjvIAuwMrL4

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcSYUItDdZc  

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpAQmAV_ZpM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHHP8CpvjnQ

    I used to have pile of these videos some where.  We have to  realize world has changed since the days of  9/11 and Osama Calipha, Hussain Calipha, Mullah Omar Calipha days .  And   and Palestinians are NOT going to what they would have got if PLO agreed in  that 2000 Camp David Summit.  Now the game is different.,  World is watching, Unless Our present Turkish Calipha Tayyip Erdoğan unites  1.5 billion Muslim  world and fight Israel to eliminate Israel from the face of earth   for the sake of Palestinians

    Hamas, PLO, Fata .. Islam.. and rest of 1000 Islamic organizations are NOT GOING TO GET what Palestinians would have got in 2000..

    There is another alternative to solve that problem and that is Palestinians WITHOUT ISLAM, which is impossible in the present time.

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #577 - June 10, 2010, 01:35 PM

    Political Islam isn't the only road block to peace...


    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #578 - June 10, 2010, 06:05 PM

    GRAPHIC IMAGES!

    The Images Israel Didn’t Want Seen: Video and Photographs from the Gaza-Bound Aid Flotilla
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #579 - June 10, 2010, 06:16 PM

    For a different Israel

    http://thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=244038

    Thursday, June 10, 2010
    Charles Ferndale

    On May 31, an armed Israeli naval force boarded a Turkish vessel in the Mediterranean carrying civilians from over 30 countries. They were carrying aid to the stricken people of Gaza, who the very basic necessities of life and who are effectively imprisoned in that territory by the Israeli blockade. During the struggle that ensued, eight Turks and one American were killed by Israeli gunfire. One estimate puts the number of injured passengers at 26.

    The Israeli spin machine has since gone into overdrive trying to persuade the world that Israel was the real victim in the incident. Only this time no one is buying their story.

    There are good reasons for the world's scepticism.

    What the multinational aid workers were doing was perfectly legal. Israel, on the other hand, was already in breach of international law and the Geneva Conventions in trying to starve a population into submission.

    The aid ship was in international waters, 77 miles off the coast of Israel, so the boarding was illegal under international law. For any naval force to board another vessel in international waters, the country must first get permission from the government of the country where the vessel to be boarded is registered and whose flag the ship is flying. In this case Turkey.

    Under international law, all vessels in international waters are a territory of the country whose flag they fly. Thus, Israel effectively invaded an unarmed section of Turkish territory with armed military force. This was an unprovoked act of war, since Israel broke international law on several counts: technically invading Turkish territory, seizing a vessel in international waters, kidnapping all its occupants, forcing the to a destination not of the choosing of its owners, holding it without the owners' permission, and expropriating some of its cargo.

    Since the United Nations had been established to prevent and punish such unwarranted and illegal aggression actions, it is now its duty to punish Israel.

    One appropriate punishment might be the permanent presence of an international naval force off the coast of Gaza, whose function would be to escort aid ships to the people of the territory.

    The Israeli action is not only an act of war but, arguably, also of piracy. There is a multinational force in the Gulf of Aden--for the prevention of piracy from Somalia. Unlike the Israeli raiders, however, the Somali pirates have killed no one. In addition, they usually operate within their own country's territorial waters: there the international forces do not have the right to kill the pirates, yet often do.

    Another form of punishment would be for the world community to force Israel, by whatever means necessary, to lift its illegal blockade of Gaza.

    Let us assume that there is at least some truth in Israel's claim that, on boarding the Turkish vessel, its commandoes met with some resistance. Let us even accept the Israeli claim that the commandoes were fired upon by some passengers on the Turkish vessel even before the raiders boarded it. In the unlikely event that these things actually happened, the passengers aboard the Turkish vessel would have been well within their rights in doing what they are accused of having done, to defend themselves against attack by a rogue force.

    The very foundation of the State of Israel, which would never have survived without American support since its creation in 1948, was predicated on the necessity of terrorism and deception. Israel's ultimate justification was that Yahweh had promised the land to the Prophet Moses and his followers. This story has now been shown to be entirely without foundation. Among those who exploded the convenient myth created to justify the conquest and occupation of Palestine is Israeli writer Shlomo Sand, professor of history at Tel Aviv University and author of The Invention of the Jewish People. (Another useful book on the subject is The Evolution of Religion by American writer Robert Wright.)

    Many Jews of the world think that Israel was, and is, essential for their future safety. Their anxieties are firmly based in their tragic history, especially that since the mid-1930s in Europe. But what most of them seem not to recognise is that Israel could never have been a safe haven for them--it was doomed from the start. From the Balfour Declaration of 1917 onwards, it was clear that the only way a homeland for the Jews could be established in Palestine would be by violent expropriation of about 75 per cent of the land from its inhabitants.

    Since the founding principles of the State of Israel are the very reasons why it cannot work, there are many Jews, inside and outside of Israel, who now recognise the urgent necessity for that state to change its very nature.

    There is a minimal condition for Israel's transformation from an unjust state to a semi-just state, but perhaps one that is peaceful. The condition is an American government with the courage to force the Zionists to give back to Palestine's rightful owners just a little of the land that Israel took by force, and continues to hold and expand by force. That will at least enable the Palestinians to live with some degree of dignity, rather than as a permanently persecuted and constantly brutalised people.

    By supporting the worst Israelis, the Americans and the Europeans are betraying the best Israelis: Jews with conscience who seek this radical change in Israel, but are ignored by the majority of the population and by Israel's foreign backers.

    It was only when Irish Americans ceased to finance the IRA that peace was given a chance in Northern Ireland. Likewise, the only way to defeat Jewish extremists in Israel is to cease financing them.

    That support should be switched to those "other" Israeli Jews, such as the enlightened and brave members of the Peace Now movement. For fear of being branded "anti-Semitic"--a convenient label designed to silence the truth about Israel--people in the world are afraid of supporting these true moral heroes who fighting for the interests of the Palestinians, against their own apparent interests.

    Did the Israeli settlers think the dispossessed would then simply disappear? Ever since 1948, Israeli Zionists are intent upon trying to make the displaced Palestinians disappear (this is known as genocide), but without success. The only result is that Israel has become a despised nation worldwide. Zionist Israel has been a disaster for the Jews of the world, as well as for the Palestinians and for the rest of us. Something must be done to put a stop to this seemingly endless tragedy in Palestine. The changes should come from within Israel and from without, starting with a change in US foreign policy.



    The writer has degrees from the Royal College of Art, Oxford University, and the Institute of Psychiatry, University of London. Email: charlesferndale@yahoo.co.uk

    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #580 - June 11, 2010, 03:10 AM

    Political Islam isn't the only road block to peace...

    (Clicky for piccy!)

    Silly picture of a nut case. Again,  Indeed Muhammad's Islam is the only road block  to peace not only in Israel/Palestinian struggle but in many other places across the world including in the towns of SWEDEN.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/europe/10276738.stm

    As far as that picture of Nut case Amir The Jew who killed former Israeli  prime minister  Rabin  is concerned, he killed his own leader and such products are direct consequence of Islam and the hate emanates from Mosques  and preachers/leaders of Islam on Jewish folk..  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7701649.stm

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #581 - June 11, 2010, 03:37 AM

    For a different Israel

    http://thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=244038

    Thursday, June 10, 2010
    Charles Ferndale

    Quote
    The Israeli spin machine has since gone into overdrive trying to persuade the world that Israel was the real victim in the incident. Only this time no one is buying their story

    .

    There are good reasons for the world's scepticism.

    What the multinational aid workers were doing was perfectly legal. Israel, on the other hand, was already in breach of international law and the Geneva Conventions in trying to starve a population into submission.

    ........................................

    Did the Israeli settlers think the dispossessed would then simply disappear? Ever since 1948, Israeli Zionists are intent upon trying to make the displaced Palestinians disappear (this is known as genocide), but without success. The only result is that Israel has become a despised nation worldwide. Zionist Israel has been a disaster for the Jews of the world, as well as for the Palestinians and for the rest of us. Something must be done to put a stop to this seemingly endless tragedy in Palestine. The changes should come from within Israel and from without, starting with a change in US foreign policy.

    The writer has degrees from the Royal College of Art, Oxford University, and the Institute of Psychiatry, University of London. Email: charlesferndale@yahoo.co.uk

    That fellow should be put in to a Hospital ward   in that Institute of Psychiatry, University of London.  If that bum doesn't understand what happend on that ship is direct consequence of the game these TURKISH REDNECK MUSLIM FOOLS played right from the get go in turkey itself.  As I sadi alread if that was peace mission, Aid mission .. whatever., when IDF soldiers in the night boarding the Ship "DON'T FIGHT THEM"  Stay naked and show you asses  and VIDEO tape everything to show the world what these soldiers to the innocent folk. If you jump and attack  on a trained soldiers with Iron rods and sticks  and Allah hoo Akbaaar sounds. the results will be same not only on the ship but any where in the world  dear atheist.pk ., You are a civilian, you have no way fighting soldiers in night time and no one knows who is beating whom, then you better behave..  No Allah hooo Akbaarrr noises..

    Now to Counter that PSYCHO fool let me give you this to read..

    On a trip to Israel, a Visist of Muslim journalist      by Dr. Tashbih Sayyed  
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    As I boarded EL AL flight LY 0008 for Tel Aviv on November 14, 2005 with my wife, Kiran, my mind was busy arranging and re-arranging the list of things I intended to accomplish.   There are many things that I wanted to talk about with Israelis, the foremost among them being their reluctance to do something about the bad press that continues to paint them as villains. Although I understand why the media, which reasonably covers most events accurately, chooses to ignore all rules of ethical journalism when it comes to Israel, I could not fathom Israel's reluctance to challenge the negative press effectively.

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    Media bias against Israel reminded me of the Nazi era German press that was recruited by Hitler's Minister of Propaganda, Joseph Goebbels who picked up every hate-laden word against the Jews. Just like the German press who refused to print the truth about the gruesome atrocities in Europe's death camps - or claimed that it was all an exaggeration, the media today also ignores the Arab terrorism. I wanted to see if there was any truth in the media allegations that Israel was an apartheid state, undemocratic and discriminatory.


        My understanding of the Jewish State was confirmed when the entry form that I needed to fill before landing in Tel Aviv did not ask for my religion as is the law in Pakistan. .......................

    My understanding of the Jewish State was confirmed when the entry form that I needed to fill before landing in Tel Aviv did not ask for my religion as is the law in Pakistan. Also, unlike Saudi Arabia, no one in Israeli immigration demanded from me any certificate of religion.

    As the El Al approached the Promised Land, I continued to shuffle the list of charges made routinely against Israel by its enemies.

    Israelis live in a perpetual state of fear.
    Israel is undemocratic.
    Muslim Arab citizens of Israel do not have equal rights


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    Israelis live in a perpetual state of fear:

    From Tel Aviv to Tiberias, Jerusalem to Jezreel, and from Golan heights to the Gaza border, I could not find any evidence of fear. In fact the people felt so secure that none of the stores, gas stations, market places, or residences we went to, and where it was known that we were Muslims, deemed it necessary to either search or interrogate us. Especially when Kiran and I went to the Ben Yehuda Street in Jerusalem one evening, we found it bursting at its seams with people of all ages. The ground was shaking with music and young boys and girls were so busy having fun that they did not bother to even look around. Tourists were busy making deals and the whole crowd seemed to throb with the beat of the music.

    I could not help but compare Israel's sense of security with the environment of insecurity that exists in Muslim countries. From Indonesia to Iran and from Afghanistan to Saudi Arabia, people are not sure of anything. In Pakistan's capital Islamabad, and the port city of Karachi, I was constantly advised not to make big purchases publicly for it encourages robbers to come after you. I did not hear news of any rape, honor killing or hold-up in Israel.


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    Israel is undemocratic:

    As a Muslim I am much more sensitive to the absence of democratic freedoms in any society. And I do not believe that anyone but a committed anti-Semite will deny that Israel is not a democracy. Democracy in Israel is proportional and representative, but democratic coalitions, necessary in order to effect any decision making also have its problems.

        I tried very hard to find any Muslim state that has true democracy and where religious minorities are accorded equal democratic rights, but failed.

    ...........................
    I tried very hard to find any Muslim state that has true democracy and where religious minorities are accorded equal democratic rights, but failed. The map of the Muslim world is too crowded with kings, despots, dictators, sham democrats and theocratic autocrats and the persecution of minorities is an essential part of Islamist social behavior. But here, protected by Israel's democratic principles,
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    the Muslim Arab citizens of Israel are afforded all the rights and privileges of Israeli citizenship. When the first elections to the Knesset were held in February 1949, Israeli Arabs were given the right to vote and to be elected along with Israeli Jews. Today, Israel's Arab citizens are accorded full civil and political rights entitled to complete participation in Israeli society. They are active in Israeli social, political and civic life and enjoy representation in Israel's Parliament, Foreign Service and judicial system.


    The Israeli faith in democracy also explains their refusal to respond to Islamist terrorism in violent ways. Despite my being aware of the human weaknesses which allow anger to subjugate the best of intentions, I could not find Israelis acting in vengeance against their Arab compatriots. My experience as a Muslim was also instrumental in expecting the worst in human behavior; Muslims under the influence of radical Islam have been unleashing their terror against non-Muslims even when the charges of anti-Muslim offenses were determined to be false.
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    ............. As a non-Wahhabi Muslim I have personally faced their barbarism and have watched Christians, Hindus and other minorities being persecuted on false pretenses. I thought that if Wahhabis in Saudi Arabia can sentence a teacher to 40 months in jail and 750 lashes just for praising Jews, it will not be unreasonable on the part of Israelis to punish Palestinians for throwing stones at worshippers at the Western Wall and burning down the tomb of Joseph.


    But even in this section, Israelis have proved the world wrong. Despite daily provocations, they have managed successfully not to descend to the same level of depravity as their Arab enemies. The world is used to daily violence that is unleashed against religious minorities in the Muslim world. O
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    nly a couple of days ago the Muslim faithful in Pakistan had broken through the walls of a Church, torching and tearing open its doors. They were reacting to a rumor that a Christian had desecrated their holy book, the Quran. They smashed the marble altar of the Holy Spirit Church and shattered its stained glass windows. They torched a Christian residence and the neighboring St. Anthony's Girls School. Within moments flames were licking the walls and black smoke filled the sky. For days the Wahhabi clerics kept on calling their Muslim followers to come out from their houses and defend their faith by unleashing a reign of terror against Christians.


    But there was nothing in history that could have substantiated my fears; Jews, despite being subjected to the most barbaric acts of terrorism have yet to react in vengeance against their perpetrators. And I concluded that my first visit to Israel will help me in untangling the knot of Israel's insistence on continuing to remain a target of Islamist terror.

    Muslim Arab citizen of Israel do not have equal rights:

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    As our air-conditioned bus negotiated the mountainous curves of the road to the heart of Galilee, I could not miss the rising minarets identifying a number of Palestinian Arab towns dotting the hillsides. The imposing domes of mosques underlined the freedoms that are enjoyed by the Muslims in the Jewish State. Large Arab residences, wide spread construction activity and big cars underlined the prosperity and affluence of Palestinians living under the Star of David.

        The Palestinian taxi driver said that he could never think of living outside Israel.

    On my way from the city of David to the Royal Prima hotel in Jerusalem, I asked my Palestinian taxi driver how he feels about moving to the territories under Palestinian Authority. He said that he could never think of living outside Israel. His answer blasted the myth spread by anti-Semites that Israel's Arab citizens are not happy there.
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    Another Israeli Arab informed me that Arabs in Israel have equal voting rights. In fact, Israel is one of the few countries in the Middle East where Arab women can vote. In contrast to the non-Israeli Arab world, Arab women in Israel enjoy the same status as men. Muslim women have the right to vote and to be elected to public office. Muslim women, in fact are more liberated in Israel than in any Muslim country. Israeli law prohibits polygamy, child marriage, and the barbarity of female sexual mutilation.


    Moreover, I found out that there are no incidences of honor killings in Israel. The status of Muslim women in Israel is far above that of any country in the region. Israeli health standards are by far the highest in the Middle East and Israeli health institutions are freely open to all Arabs, on the same basis as they are to Jews.

    Arabic, like Hebrew, is an official language in Israel and underlines the tolerant nature of the Jewish State. All the street signs call out their names in Arabic alongside Hebrew. It is official policy of the Israeli government to foster the language, culture, and traditions of the Arab minority, in the educational system and in daily life. Israel's Arabic press is the most vibrant and independent of any country in the region. There are more than 20 Arabic periodicals. They publish what they please, subject only to the same military censorship as Jewish publications. There are daily TV and radio programs in Arabic.

    Arabic is taught in Jewish secondary schools. More than 350,000 Arab children attend Israeli schools. At the time of Israel's founding, there was one Arab high school in the country. Today, there are hundreds of Arab schools. Israeli universities are renowned centers of learning in the history and literature of the Arab Middle East.

    Aware of the constraints that a non-Wahhabi is faced with while performing religious rituals in Saudi Arabia, Kiran (my wife) could not hide her surprise at the freedoms and ease with which peoples of all religions and faiths were carrying out their religious obligations at the Church of the holy Sepulcher, Garden Tomb, Sea of Galilee, newly discovered Western Wall Tunnels, Western Wall, tomb of King David and all the other holy places we visited.

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    All religious communities in Israel enjoy the full protection of the State. Israeli Arabs --Muslims, as well as many Christian denominations -- are free to exercise their faiths, to observe their own weekly day of rest and holidays and to administer their own internal affairs. Some 80,000 Druze live in 22 villages in northern Israel. Their religion is not accessible to outsiders and Druze constitute a separate cultural, social and religious Arabic-speaking community. The Druze concept of taqiyya calls for complete loyalty by its adherents to the government of the country in which they reside. As such, among other things, the Druze serve in the Israel Defense Forces. Each religious community in Israel has its own religious councils and courts, and has full jurisdiction over religious affairs, including matters of personal status, such as marriage and divorce. The holy sites of all religions are administered by their own authorities and protected by the government.


    A Hindu journalist who came to visit me talked about the openness that Jewish society represents. He told me that more than 20% of the Israeli population is non-Jewish of which approximately 1.2 million are Muslims, 140,000 are Christians and 100, 000 are Druze. Another non-Jewish Israeli told me that Christians and Druze are free to join even the defense forces of the Jewish State. Bedouins have served in paratroops units and other Arabs have volunteered for military duty.

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    The big houses owned by Arab Israelis and the amount of construction that was going on in the Arab towns exposed the falsity of propaganda that Israel discriminates against Israeli Arabs from buying lands. I found out that in the early part of the century, the Jewish National Fund was established by the World Zionist Congress to purchase land in Palestine for Jewish settlement. Of the total area of Israel, 92 percent belongs to the State and is managed by the Land Management Authority. It is not for sale to anyone, Jew or Arab.


        The existence of Israel will one day convince the Muslims of the necessity of reformation in their theology as well as sociology.

    The Arab Waqf owns land that is for the express use and benefit of Muslim Arabs. Government land can be leased by anyone, regardless of race, religion or sex. All Arab citizens of Israel are eligible to lease government land.

    I asked three Israeli Arabs if they face discrimination in employment. They all said the same thing; normally there is no discrimination but whenever homicide bombers explode and murder Israelis, some Israelis feel uncomfortable dealing with them. But that uncomfortable feeling is also very temporary and does not stay for long.

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    My first visit to Israel has not only consolidated my belief that Israel is vital for the stability of the region but has also convinced me that the existence of Israel will one day convince the Muslims of the necessity of reformation in their theology as well as sociology.

    A journey through the Israeli desert brought another important aspect of life to light; Prophets are not the only ones who can perform miracles -- people who believe in themselves can also perform unbelievable acts. Acres and acres of sand dunes have been transformed into the best possible fertile land; Wheat, Cotton, Sunflowers, Chickpeas, Groundnuts (Peanuts), Mangoes, Avocados, Citrus, Papayas, bananas and any other fruit and vegetable that Israelis want to consume is grown within Israel. In fact, Israelis have proved beyond any doubt why God promised them this land - only they could keep it green.

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    The land is described repeatedly in the Torah as a good land and "a land flowing with milk and honey". This description may not seem to fit well with the desert images we see on the nightly news, but let's keep in mind that the land was repeatedly abused by conquerors that were determined to make the land uninhabitable for the Jews. In the few decades since the Jewish people regained control of the land, tremendous improvement in its agriculture has been witnessed. Israeli agriculture today has a very high yield. Agriculture in Israel is very effective, and is able to cover about 75% of domestic needs, despite the limited land available.


    Looking at the development and transformation that the land has gone through because of the Jewish innovative spirit, hard labor and commitment to freedoms for all times to come, I am convinced that it is true that God created this earth but it is also a fact that only an Israel can keep this earth from dying.


    Courtesy of Muslim World Today    http://www.aish.com/jw/id/48916537.html


    That is written by a MUSLIM from Indian subcontinent.. So dear atheist.pk  send that article to that PSYCHO from London.. London is filled with Dhimmi bums.


     One Frustrated  Jew wrote to me saying " SOME ONE SHOULD DROP ATOM BOMB ON ISRAEL and get over this Jewish/Muslim problem for ever..

    I have to say to him., Muhammad's Islam doesn't stop there., you have to drop some 10  to 20 hydrogen bombs around these so-called Muslim conflicts with others. After every one who doesn't follow Muhammad's Islamic doctrine is eliminated Some Muslim bums will still create some sects and kill each other..., Islam generates perpetual fighting/in-fighting and war mongering crowd..  That is what I wrote to that jew..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #582 - June 11, 2010, 03:38 AM

    Again,  Indeed Muhammad's Islam is the only road block  to peace not only in Israel/Palestinian struggle but in many other places across the world including in the towns of SWEDEN.

    The only? really?
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #583 - June 11, 2010, 03:41 AM

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    only? really?


     that is what history from that land tells me starting from Arab- Israeli war to the war mongering crowd in Mosques across the Muslim world against Jews including the book Quran..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #584 - June 11, 2010, 03:59 AM

    That's too simplistic and borderline naive. Anyway, let's agree to disagree.  Smiley
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #585 - June 11, 2010, 04:37 AM

    That's too simplistic and borderline naive. Anyway, let's agree to disagree.  Smiley


    There are other issues of course, but if you look at all the conflicts going on in the world in the last couple of decades and eliminated those involving Muslims who were inspired to fight by their belief in Islam, the world would look a hell of a lot more peaceful.
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #586 - June 11, 2010, 04:53 AM

    That's too simplistic and borderline naive. Anyway, let's agree to disagree.  Smiley

    lol.. Forget simplistic,  let us consider it as complete naive dear Iraqi Atheist., But that is exactly what the discussion are all about., To convince  the  naive people with facts and  truth about history and to move them from other side to this side,  most importantly propose possible  solutions for the problems  and continue discussions.  So keeping communication between the sides is important,  Once communication breaks down, the consequence of such break down  will be tragic


    with best regards
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #587 - June 11, 2010, 05:09 AM

    There are other issues of course, but if you look at all the conflicts going on in the world in the last couple of decades and eliminated those involving Muslims who were inspired to fight by their belief in Islam, the world would look a hell of a lot more peaceful.

    People will always find new ways to hate each other.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Civil_War
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide  800,000 killed
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombian_armed_conflict_%281964%E2%80%93present%29  50,000-200,000 casualties
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Liberian_Civil_War  150,000 killed
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Congo_War  over  200,000 civilians killed
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Congo_War  3,900,000 killed
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lankan_Civil_War  80,000-100,000 killed
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepalese_Civil_War  +12,000 dead
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Drug_War  over 22,000 killed in total
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naxalite-Maoist_insurgency  6,000 killed in total
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Kurdish_Civil_War  5,000 casualties



    lol.. Forget simplistic,  let us consider it as complete naive dear Iraqi Atheist., But that is exactly what the discussion are all about., To convince  the  naive people with facts and  truth about history and to move them from other side to this side,  most importantly propose possible  solutions for the problems  and continue discussions.  So keeping communication between the sides is important,  Once communication breaks down, the consequence of such break down  will be tragic

    Amen brother  Smiley
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #588 - June 11, 2010, 05:09 AM

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    Fight, Israel, Regroup and Fight!


    In face of the Flotilla of Lies that has unleashed a wave of hatred toward the Jewish State the likes of which we have not seen in recent decades, Israel’s technical response was excellent: footage was made available in real time, her spokespersons are working around the clock and numerous individuals partake in battles raging on Facebook, YouTube, Twitter and other social networks.

    New entities were formed in places where they should have been operating long ago (like in the Ministry of Public Diplomacy and its outreach to American Jewry). New initiatives are being invented, formulated and implemented. Better late than never.

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    Despite all the efforts, and at times unintended consequences like that of 16 year old student from Beverly Hills High School who alone stood against the hatred and savage behavior of the anti-Israel mob and now has become the face of innocence against evil, Israel is failing.


    Yet Israel has no luxury to fail. Success is essential. How can she survive when not a single voice is heard in her defense? When Turkey demands an apology, compensation and the end of the blockade and threatens breaking diplomatic relations? When Iran is yet to take action (by, for instance, directing her cronies to attack)?

    The next vessel is en route, determined not to stop and definitely not to arrive for inspection in Israel. An agreement between Ireland, under whose flag the vessel sails, and Israel to reroute the ship to the port of Ashdod in Israel will be overlooked (and then forgotten). Israel, again, will be blamed.

    This time, however, the vessel may be loaded with explosives or the "humanitarians" on board may be waiting to redeem themselves in sacrifice to Islam.

    There are already voices that Israel may allow the vessel access to Gaza. "Damned if you do, damned if you do not."

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    The blood of the instigators will once again be on Israel’s hands, smeared across every TV and computer screen around the world. Israel was viciously attacked, and she stands to be hit once again within the same week.

    A member of the Israeli Parliament participated in the first Convoy of Terror against Israel and her fellow Arab MKs share her positions. Israel is about to capitulate on every front.

    The rioters who lynched the soldiers on the Mavi Marmara were released. After a short break in their Mediterranean tour, they boarded a free flight to Turkey to a heroes welcome. There are now hundreds of new spokespersons for the Flotilla of Lies, continuing their holy Jihad against the Jewish State.

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    Israel must quash all internal opposition. This is war and Israel should be fighting for her very survival. Israel must further call reservists to service, for the day of reckoning is near. Everyone else must join the fight, under a new command: Israel’s Public Diplomacy.

    We must make no mistakes. We knew the Convoy of Terror was arriving, and we prepared nothing for the hour of calling. We then rushed to react. Even the soldiers, under directive of the political echelon were (capable but) not ready: AN ENEMY MUST BE DEFEATED, NOT ENTERTAINED ON HIS TERMS.


    Why is Israel continuing to transfer thousands of tons of humanitarian aid into Gaza every week? Abundance of fresh fruits and vegetables, goods from all around the world and luxuries are stacked on every shelf. Employment under UNRRA or Hamas guarantees a steady income, and millions in aid are flowing to Gaza from the EU and other sympathizers.

    Electricity is supplied primarily by Israel. Is there anything wrong in this picture, for Gaza is supposedly under Blockade and a Siege that must be broken?!?

    On the Public Diplomacy Front, each of us is a soldier. We must disseminate information, speak, participate and engage our family, friends, business associates and colleagues.

    It is time to put aside all differences and work together to save Israel – first from herself, then from the world. This is not the time to be gentle or caring.

    This is the time to fight back with as much force, ingenuity, cleverness and courage as we can. Our survival depends on us and only us, and we owe it to those who couldn’t fight back to stand up and shout to the world, in deeds and action, "NEVER AGAIN."


    that is what   Ari Bussel  writes  from his web  http://web.me.com/bussel/Site/ISRAEL/ISRAEL.html

    I may not agree with all Ari Bussel  stands for in support of Israel., but I support the the rights of Jewish folk to exist as a country that represents  interests of Jewish folk.. Without that  their  fate will be sealed and we know that from History..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #589 - June 11, 2010, 06:11 AM

    The Derangement Of The World

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    In the Jerusalem Post, William Shawcross has written a blistering piece about the ‘irrational, obscene hatred’ of Israel now coursing so terrifyingly across both the Islamic and western worlds. ‘Shut up. Go back to Auschwitz’ was the flotilla’s response to the Israelis when they warned it not to enter the area under naval blockade. As Shawcross writes:
    .........................................
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    The realities of Gaza, Israel and the West Bank – where, with Israel’s assistance, the Palestinian economy is booming – are deemed irrelevant to the conventional narrative. Israel is a cartoon villain, beyond sympathy, beyond even redemption.

    What is deeply shocking – and frightening – is that the narrative the world accepts is always that of Israel the evildoer… The hatred that Israel arouses is absurd, even obscene… The Muslim world and the Western Left are in an unholy alliance; they do not want to improve the Jewish state, they want to remove it.
    ........................................

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    Why don’t we see demonstrations against Islamic dictatorships in London, Paris, Barcelona?

    Why not a demonstrations against the Burmese dictatorship?

    Why aren’t there demonstrations against the enslavement of millions of women who live without any legal protection?

    Why aren’t there demonstrations against the use of children as human bombs where there is conflict with Islam?

    Why has there been no leadership in support of the victims of Islamic dictatorship in Sudan?

    Why is there never any outrage against the acts of terrorism committed against Israel? 

    Why is there no outcry by the European left against Islamic fanaticism?

    Why don’t they defend Israel’s right to exist?

    Why confuse support of the Palestinian cause with the defense of Palestinian terrorism?

    Why is the left in Europe and around the world obsessed with the two most solid democracies, the United States and Israel, and not with the worst dictatorships on the planet?


    .............. So many stupid things have been written about Israel, that there aren’t any accusations left to level against her. At the same time, this press never discusses Syrian and Iranian interference in propagating violence against Israel; the indoctrination of children and the corruption of the Palestinians. And when reporting about victims, every Palestinian casualty is reported as tragedy and every Israeli victim is camouflaged, hidden or reported about with disdain.

    .............. Just like the Jew-hatred of the past, the characteristics of this victimisation are unique; just like the Jew-hatred of the past, it treats the Jewish people as some kind of cosmic evil; and just like the Jew-hatred of the past, ultimately it simply defies explanation. But it is happening, right now, before our disbelieving eyes; it is quite simply a derangement of the world.


    That is what Melanie Phillips write at http://www.faithfreedom.org/articles/op-ed/the-derangement-of-the-world/

    Yes I too have the same questions to the leftists  and educated Muslims across the world/

    Nine redneck Muslims of Turkey thinking as if there they are super men trying to fight off IDF on that ship died.  Soldiers of Israel know well what this Allah hoo Akbar crowd does to them if they are captured., They don't want to become Pawns in this Islam-Jewish war.  Muslim leaders across the world cry it is genocide against unharmed civilians., the leftist world (SOME ARE JEWS from west like Finklestein) cries on injustice  soldiers of Israel against innocent and poor Turkish bearded bums who were screaming all hoo akbar on that boat.

    Since that tragic day of May 30th 2010 where 9 Turkish Muslim died due to stupid actions  FROM BOTH SIDES. Let us compare that GENOCIDE  with what happend   around the world and how many got killed   due to direct consequence of Islam
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    2010.05. 28  Paksitan , Lahore :  80 killed and 100s wounded whenAttackers strike mosques in Pakistan; at least 80 dead

    2010.05.30  Afghanistan,Khost : 19Killed & 23 wounded  A Fedayeen suicide bomber takes out nearly twenty local recruits.

    2010.05.31     Iraq, Baghdad:    2killed &   10 wounded when  Jihadis gun down a man sitting in a cafe and successfully kill a civilian in a separate bomb attack.

    2010.06.03     Iraq , Sinjar:     4killed  &   14wounded  when Islamic fundamentalist bombers target and liquor stores.

    2010.06.04     Ingushetia ,     Sagapshi:    2killed and      21wounded when A grocery store clerk is gunned down by Islamists who plant a bomb that then kills a rescue worker.

    2010.06.04     Ingushetia     Malgobek:     1killed and      16wounded in an attack on a shop by Islamic militants leaves one person dead.


    2010.06.07     Iraq,     Baghdad:     6killed      37 wounded   due to  series of bombs packed with ball-bearings shred at least six Iraqis.

    2010.06.09     Afghanistan     Nadahan:     40killed      73 wounded   at a wedding are incinerated by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.

    2010.06.09     Thailand     Yala     1killed and      23 wounded      A 5-year-old girl is murdered in a grenade attack by Islamic separatists.

    On all those tragedies No Muslim intellectual talks and no leftist lift  a finger

    But our Turkish President is shouting ..  Genocide.. genocide  and Muslim crowd is shouting Jihad.. Jihad  because some brainless Muslim  fools tried to fight IDF in the night on that boat.

     "He who fights that Islam should be superior fights in Allah's cause"
    ........Muhammad, prophet of Islam

    What is Allah cause?? NO MUSLIM knows including Muhammad.

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #590 - June 11, 2010, 07:28 AM

    People will always find new ways to hate each other.


    Agreed, but Islam has been the most persistent and recurring reason in human history and this doesn't look like changing any time soon.
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #591 - June 11, 2010, 07:31 AM

    Agreed, but Islam has been the most persistent and recurring reason in human history and this doesn't look like changing any time soon.


    ROFL

    JOTM!


  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #592 - June 11, 2010, 09:29 AM

    ROFL? JOTM? I'm sorry I don't speak jibberish  wacko
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #593 - June 11, 2010, 09:50 AM

    ROFL

    Rolling On Floor Laughing

    JOTM

    Jester Of The Month

    Jibberish 

    I'm in my 20's yet have not come across ROFL before.

    Phail

    I'm in my 20's yet have not come across ROFL before.
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #594 - June 11, 2010, 10:02 AM

    You don't agree that Islam has been the most persistently violent ideology in human history then? What would take that title in your opinion?
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #595 - June 11, 2010, 10:17 AM

    Fuck that. You need to tell me why Islam is the most persistently violent ideology in the world. I'm not the one making the claim.

    And the title? What is this the World Wide Wrestling Federation?

    For the title fight we have The Iron Sheik in the blue corner vs. The Inquisitor in the red!
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #596 - June 11, 2010, 12:09 PM

    Ah, you misunderstood me.
    I meant, if the Palestinians are going to demand the right of return for Palestinians refugees (or financial compensation), the Arabs should also allow the Mizrahi Jews who fled Arab countries to go back to their countries of origin to claim their properties if they want to. I'm not saying they should. This should be done in return as a part of an agreement. If the Arabs don't make the offer, they have no right demanding the right of return for Palest. refugees.

    I'm confused by your suggestion. is Israel/Palestine portion of Arab imperialism/Islamic waqf or independent state. are Palestinian portion of pan-Arabism or excluded independent nation?

    i.e should Arab regimes that cause the Jewish expulsion compensate in regard to "right of return for Palestinians refugees"? is there a connection? if there is, then requires a different kind of estimation. it actually verifies that Palestine is just an excuse.

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    I thought you meant the 6 million Jews who died in the Holocaust. My bad.
    But this brings me back to your statement "interestingly that you preaching not to play with 1.5 million while have no problem do so with 6 million???"
    What did you mean by that?

    you and I understand perfectly well, that we are debating imaginary scenarios.

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    That's bullshit my friend. Historical truth my ass. They've been living in Palestine for 100s of years. This like saying all Americans with the exception of native Indians should go back. Fuck that.

    the expulsion and massacre of Jews did not end up with absence of Jews in Israel. there always been presence of Jews in Israel. and not all Arabs born in Israel, are descendant of Arabs who been in Israel for hundreds of years. some are of immigrants from Arab countries. under ottoman there were no registartion of entry and departure but there was immigration from Arab regimes to Israel. in and out. there is no dispute about it, except on the exact number.

    the arabs of israel referred to as trans-Jordanians not Palestinians. in 1964 they claimed their identity Palestinians. despite it has exclusive Hebraic term. which means "Invaders".



  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #597 - June 11, 2010, 12:57 PM

    what is happening here dear Winston  and dear BlackDog .,

    So it is all about

    ROFL

    JOTM!

    PBUH

    SMD

    FTA  ..


     Good ..good..,     I will deal with those words bit later but  this from BD is good
    Fuck that.

    You need to tell me why Islam is the most persistently violent  ideology in the world . I'm not the one making the claim.


    And I hope Winston will answer why Islam has such a wonderful ideology in it and where does it come from??

      Any way I like that "Fuck that. " from BD., In a right place between two good people who know each other for a  long time  who are in love fucking is indeed good  ..very good. But... but we must realize here,   in these modern days specially with 6 to  7 billion people on this little planet,  I hope who fuck each other with love will use condoms or that Islamic rule Coitus interruptus., If you are Muslim right word for that is  "Azl"., "Azl"  is good .. try it.   So please remember that word of Allah when you are fucking around  and use it frequently irrespective of whether you are Muslim or non-Muslim.

    But in fairness to both of you guys., I say words like these  ROFL.,  JOTM!., SMD ., FTL.. at right places have meaning unlike   these ayahs from  Allah which came out from Mr. PBUH mouth  that you see in Quran..

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    Ta Seen Meem.[Al Quran ; 28:1]

    Ta Seen, [Al Quran ; 27:1]

    Ta Seen Meem [Al Quran ; 26:1]

    Ta Ha. [Al Quran ; 20:1]

    Kaf Ha Ya Ein Sad. [Al Quran ; 19:1]

    Alif Lam Ra. [Al Quran ; 15:1]

    Alif Lam Ra. [Al Quran ; 14:1]

    Alif, Lam, Mim, Ra. [Al Quran ; 13:1]

    Alif Lam Ra.[Al Quran ; 12:1]

    Alif Lam Ra.[Al Quran ; 11:1]

    Alif Lam Ra.[Al Quran ; 10:1]

    Alif Lam Meem Sad.[Al Quran ; 7:1]

    Alif Lam Meem.[Al Quran ; 3:1]

    Alif Lam Meem.[Al Quran ; 2:1]

    yes.. yes..   Alif  Lam Meem
    Doom ....Dam... DoooomM
        ..KhaboomM....
        Meem... dum..dum
        ..Ta Ha....
     Faa' Qaaf.

    So chill out a bit dear friends.  Getting back to the thread  that news from Europe says  http://europenews.dk/en/node/32616

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    The Dutch Amin Abou Rashed (43), who was arrested by Israeli commandos on the 'freedom flotilla' by the coast of Gaza, is a top official in the Hamas terror organization, according to intelligence services.

    Yesterday Israel announced that all 600 foreign activists would be freed within two days. These include two Dutch: Rashed and Anne de Jong (29).

    The originally Palestinian Rashed has a Dutch passport and operates from Rotterdam.  In his struggle against Israel the Dutch activist lost an arm in the past. The Dutch man is mentioned as one of the organizers of the 'freedom flotilla' on the official website of the Muslim Brotherhood, a movement that fights for Islamic domination.

    "Rashed is the leader of Hamas in the Netherlands," says an intelligence service source. "He appears by an alias, mainly Amin Abou Ibrahim, in several intelligence reports. He worked for the notorious Dutch foundation al-Aksa, which was suspected of collecting funds for the Hamas terror organization. He is also very active in the Palestinian Platform and Human Rights and Solidarity Foundation (PPMS)," says the intelligence agent.

    Hamas is financed by worldwide Muslim 'charity institutions'. The Dutch 'Amin Abou Rashed' was mentioned in connection to the Holy Land Foundation, a notorious charity organization which was charged in America for financing Hamas.

     that is what is happening inside the minds of some PEACE members of Flotilla piss trying throw piss and shit on juice.. and the man from that Flotilla peace trip you see is here



    Some of these guys( I mean ..Jewish authorities..) who are handling that flotilla tragedy  are Bums to release this fool from that ship.,    If i was there I would thrown this guy off that ship to sharks  and may be save another innocent bystander guy who might have got killed in that tragedy.

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #598 - June 11, 2010, 01:19 PM

    lol Yezeevee

    yes.. yes..   Alif  Lam Meem
    Doom ....Dam... DoooomM
        ..KhaboomM....
        Meem... dum..dum
        ..Ta Ha....
     Faa' Qaaf.

    You're a natural are you sure you're not Jibreel?
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #599 - June 11, 2010, 01:44 PM

    i dont care WHO is at fault!  there are human beings suffering, but mostly the INNOCENT children on BOTH sides!!! finmad  ZERO tolerance for the suffering of innocent children!
    ZERO tolerance for war in the name of ANY GOD

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
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