Hardly a practical or realistic answer, since you know, and I know, that we don't live in a perfect world. I think you are admitting that your stance does not stand up to scrutiny.
can you remind me what was my stance?
That Jews need a homeland of their own for the sake of survival. So I asked about other religions and ethnic groups.
Roma, sikhs=northern India
Scientologists=USA
Rastafarians=Jamaica
Jains=India
But they don't have their own sovereign homeland. Should they have one?
why do you imagine there is a special treatment in that respect regarding the Jews?
Because according to you, Jews deserve and have a right to a soverign nation (at the expense of the dispossesion of other people), while other minor religions don't.
did the jews came to israel/plaestine with the claim it is mine get out?
Some Jews did that, and
some Jews continue to do that.
Recognition by whom?
history
"history" is not a person, and is merely a recount of events. Recognition is done by a person/people. So again, regognition by whom?
So if I, as a pre-Judaism pagan, claim large tracts of land in Israel as rightfully mine, and get billions of pounds of military aid, would I be allowed to occupy Israel, drive out its inhabitants at will, and label all Israelis attempting to fight for their land as terrorists?
is that what happen historically?
Yes, in 1948, some Jews declared the territory theirs, stole land, pushed out the majority of the Arab population, and have labelled them as terrorists for trying to regain what was stolen from them.
So again yglag, if I, as a pre-Judaism pagan, claim large tracts of land in Israel as rightfully mine, and get billions of pounds of military aid, would I be allowed to occupy Israel, drive out its inhabitants at will, and label all Israelis attempting to fight for their land as terrorists?
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No I don't. Explain to me how it was liberation.
the wars that launched against the Jews was to take their freedom to live in the land which they established. on the land which they purchased.
the wars shaped the reality not the favor of these who actually initiated these wars and also from their own countries they expel the Jews who once lived fairly peacefully and where they end up eventually?
I am talking about before Judaism. Do you know that the land that Jews came to live on was purchased? Do you know that everything of the historically Jewish territory was established peacefully?
But not your perspective? So why include it to support your stance you think its wrong?
to understand the background of events took that time.
But why can the background of the events in history possibly be used in any way to justify a moral stance?
You say the religious Zionists wanted a Jewish state in the territory of Israel because of religious attatchment to the land. You say you don't agree with this. Yes you use the existence of these religious groups and their demands as justifying the need for a Jewish state. This is ridiculous.
not everything I write is an argument. it could be an opinion.
But when the opinions differ and are challenged, then it becomes an argument of opinions.
Playing semantics is not going to deflect the debate mate
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